PAL to NTSC?

dipstick · Jun 22, 2004, 05:41 PM

Could I make a PAL dvd work in my NTSC home dvd player?
Thanks.

Vampyromaniac · Jun 22, 2004, 06:45 PM

Not without something like this: http://www.goldenshop.com.hk/AI-trad...tm/m_pal2n.htm

dipstick · Jun 22, 2004, 07:08 PM

hmm, even if I had that it would be no use since my DVD player is still NTSC. I was hoping there would be a way to rip, re-encode, and burn it on a new disk. Probably not possible though.
Thanks

Vampyromaniac · Jun 22, 2004, 07:15 PM

ahh that might be possible, search "convert NTSC to PAL software"

EDIT: maybe this? http://www.topdownloads.net/software/view.php?id=12202

dipstick · Jun 22, 2004, 08:28 PM

Cool, thx. i'll look around and let you if I get it working

dipstick · Jun 24, 2004, 02:53 PM

Okay, here's an update on this. This is what I have done until now, step by step.
Ripped movie as File using DVDdecrypter
Used DVD2AVI to make all the VOBs into one AVI file
Loaded TMPGEnc and started the conversion.

Now that final step is a killer. It still has 10 hours to go from the total 22 it started with

But I'll let you know how the conversion went, its probably taking so long because I chose Very high quality lol.

Many thx to Vamp and ^_^ for all the help.

pr0digal jenius · Jun 24, 2004, 05:34 PM

haha....i always use normal quality cuz i honestly don't see but a very little difference, except in time taken to make it

dipstick · Jun 24, 2004, 07:53 PM

lol, that would have helped if I knew about it earlier

digerati · Jun 25, 2004, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0digal jenius
haha....i always use normal quality cuz i honestly don't see but a very little difference, except in time taken to make it

I have, but I'm an especially picky bastard lol

And anytime kakarot, you know you're my favorite dumb@$$

dipstick · Jun 27, 2004, 02:22 PM

Okay, time for the final update. After loosing 30 something hours to stupid ScanDisk I restarted from scratch and I must say the video came out great! The only setback is that the stupid sound is gone

But I give up, my rig has been encoding this stupid thing for three days in a row and I've had enough. Sorry I couldn't have more positive news

Btw, thx the compliment ^_^, you better hope you donâ€™t even need help

MindlessOath · Jun 27, 2004, 04:51 PM

mabe this will help... 3 pages of threads to search through.
http://forum.doom9.org/search.php?ac...der=descending

gordon knot mabe something u might want to use.

dipstick · Jun 27, 2004, 06:41 PM

Thanks, I wil look through them but I doubt I'm gonna sit through 25 hours of encoding again any time soon

pr0digal jenius · Jun 27, 2004, 06:52 PM

lol...all you need to do is get the audio in 1 file(mp2 is preferred), the video in mpeg format(m2v), and put them into a DVD author and it'll have sound on the disc

dipstick · Jun 27, 2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0digal jenius
lol...all you need to do is get the audio in 1 file(mp2 is preferred), the video in mpeg format(m2v), and put them into a DVD author and it'll have sound on the disc

heh, on the dvd is says something like LPCM sound(once I'm done). Doesn't even work on my PC so forget my home dvd players.
My guess is that something gets messed up going through DVD2AVI or TMPGENC Plus. Also waht is CBR and VBR LPCM and Mpeg1 layer II sound, which should I try? I know CBR LPCM doesn't work lol
Thanks

pr0digal jenius · Jun 27, 2004, 07:02 PM

CBR is constant bitrate, VBR is variable bit rate...i use CBR

and use MP2 and not LPCM....LPCM is linear PCM audio(i forget what pcm stands for)

dipstick · Jun 27, 2004, 07:07 PM

Okay, thx bud. I will give CBR MP2 a shot....hope this works lol.
Working on 100 hours on this stupid thing

pr0digal jenius · Jun 27, 2004, 07:09 PM

haha...it can be frustrating, yes

MindlessOath · Jun 27, 2004, 09:30 PM

WHY IS IT TAKING 32 HOURS to encode? it has never taken more than a whole night for me to do anything.

first off, what are your system specs?

secound ... if your using something like XMPEG or whatever, that will take GOD KNOWS how long... use something else.

dipstick · Jun 27, 2004, 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MindlessOath
WHY IS IT TAKING 32 HOURS to encode? it has never taken more than a whole night for me to do anything.

first off, what are your system specs?

secound ... if your using something like XMPEG or whatever, that will take GOD KNOWS how long... use something else.

I'm using TMPGEnc Plus 2.5 on a 2.6GHz A64. With very high quality settings it took 25 hours and now I'm using the Best Guess or something setting and it will take about 19 hours(looks just as good from a small clip I made). Also running very high quality noise removal too. Not sure why its taking this long-maybe because its going from 24 to 30fps?- the movie is about 130 minutes long. My guess is this is why people buy P4's?

pr0digal jenius · Jun 28, 2004, 12:43 AM

try turning nosie removal completely off...it shouldn't take more then 3-5 hours on an A64

dipstick · Jun 28, 2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pr0digal jenius
try turning nosie removal completely off...it shouldn't take more then 3-5 hours on an A64

Thanks, I will try that. But I made a clip with MP2 sound settings and still no sound..
I noticed that it only encodes into one mpeg file instead of m2v and wave files with that setting

pr0digal jenius · Jun 28, 2004, 04:45 AM

u have 2 set it to make 2 seperate files

dipstick · Jun 28, 2004, 01:08 PM

Yeah, but I dont know how lol. I'll just let it be for now
thx for all the help everyone, I appreciate it very much

MindlessOath · Jun 28, 2004, 05:53 PM

NO, people use AMD's to do encodes too... in fact its my 1st choice to choose AMD to do this stuff, i used intels all the time, and by far AMD is way faster! however i do think hyperthreading does have small advantages, if u find an application to work with it. yea tho it shouldnt take more than 10 hours MAX!!!! on your hardware, you are just using some really messed up settings you shouldnt be... and yes, it would take a bit longer for the frames from 25 to 30fps conversion... but not annother 9 hours worth.

dipstick · Jun 28, 2004, 07:46 PM

Yeah, without the noise removal I was able to cut it down to under 5 hours. Weird it gives that much of a hit lol.
Thanks for the help

digerati · Jun 29, 2004, 12:19 AM

Noise removal takes a lot of time, should only be used for bad source video.

MOS-Marauder · Oct 29, 2004, 08:08 AM

Muahhh.. Sorry but i think none of the MODs here really know something about that topic....

As u know: Pal is 25 FPS... If u want to Convert it to NTSC u first have to decide:
23,xx FPS NTSC Film or 29,xx FPS NTSC.

The Best way (without losing Frames) is NTSC 29,xx FPS.

1st rip the DVD.. (Smartripper or DVD Decrypter (movie only!)
2. use DVD2AVI (uÂ´ll get all Audios and a d2v file)

Then u can create an AVS file.
(Avisynth.. usage look on doom9.org for exact Commands for that)

After that use besweet to transfer the audios from LDPCM (or whatever) to Ac3 2.0 (inc conversion 25 FPS to 29,xx FPS) With the Besweet GUI u can simply choose it *G*

After hat u can Author a new DVD using IFOEdit or if u want a Menu also .. DVDLab Pro.

So long...

MOS-Marauder · Oct 29, 2004, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dipstick

I'm using TMPGEnc Plus 2.5 on a 2.6GHz A64. With very high quality settings it took 25 hours and now I'm using the Best Guess or something setting and it will take about 19 hours(looks just as good from a small clip I made). Also running very high quality noise removal too. Not sure why its taking this long-maybe because its going from 24 to 30fps?- the movie is about 130 minutes long. My guess is this is why people buy P4's?

Use Cinemacraft Encoder for that!!!!
Much faster and State of the ARt encoder for DVD & SVCD

WildChild · Dec 4, 2004, 04:55 PM

Easiest way to do this would be to convert it to mpeg with nero express 3 it will ask you whether you want to keep the file as pal or convert to ntsc, once this is done then you can use a dvd creating program (could use nero for that also) to create the .vob files etc

~~HawK~~ · Dec 4, 2004, 04:59 PM

There is also a program which will do all coverting and more named:
dvdSanta yeah i know funny name but it really works

Jun 22, 2004, 05:41 PM	#1
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	PAL to NTSC? Could I make a PAL dvd work in my NTSC home dvd player? Thanks.

Jun 22, 2004, 06:45 PM	#2
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Not without something like this: http://www.goldenshop.com.hk/AI-trad...tm/m_pal2n.htm __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Jun 22, 2004, 07:15 PM	#4
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	ahh that might be possible, search "convert NTSC to PAL software" EDIT: maybe this? http://www.topdownloads.net/software/view.php?id=12202 __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250 Last edited by Vampyromaniac; Jun 22, 2004 at 07:24 PM.

Jun 27, 2004, 04:51 PM	#11
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	mabe this will help... 3 pages of threads to search through. http://forum.doom9.org/search.php?ac...der=descending gordon knot mabe something u might want to use. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Jun 27, 2004, 09:30 PM	#18
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	WHY IS IT TAKING 32 HOURS to encode? it has never taken more than a whole night for me to do anything. first off, what are your system specs? secound ... if your using something like XMPEG or whatever, that will take GOD KNOWS how long... use something else. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Jun 22, 2004, 07:08 PM	Thread Starter #3
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	hmm, even if I had that it would be no use since my DVD player is still NTSC. I was hoping there would be a way to rip, re-encode, and burn it on a new disk. Probably not possible though. Thanks

Jun 22, 2004, 08:28 PM	Thread Starter #5
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Cool, thx. i'll look around and let you if I get it working

Jun 24, 2004, 02:53 PM	Thread Starter #6
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Okay, here's an update on this. This is what I have done until now, step by step. Ripped movie as File using DVDdecrypter Used DVD2AVI to make all the VOBs into one AVI file Loaded TMPGEnc and started the conversion. Now that final step is a killer. It still has 10 hours to go from the total 22 it started with But I'll let you know how the conversion went, its probably taking so long because I chose Very high quality lol. Many thx to Vamp and ^_^ for all the help.

Jun 24, 2004, 05:34 PM	#7
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	haha....i always use normal quality cuz i honestly don't see but a very little difference, except in time taken to make it

Jun 24, 2004, 07:53 PM	Thread Starter #8
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	lol, that would have helped if I knew about it earlier

Jun 27, 2004, 02:22 PM	Thread Starter #10
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Okay, time for the final update. After loosing 30 something hours to stupid ScanDisk I restarted from scratch and I must say the video came out great! The only setback is that the stupid sound is gone But I give up, my rig has been encoding this stupid thing for three days in a row and I've had enough. Sorry I couldn't have more positive news Btw, thx the compliment ^_^, you better hope you donâ€™t even need help

Jun 27, 2004, 06:41 PM	Thread Starter #12
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Thanks, I wil look through them but I doubt I'm gonna sit through 25 hours of encoding again any time soon

Jun 27, 2004, 06:52 PM	#13
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	lol...all you need to do is get the audio in 1 file(mp2 is preferred), the video in mpeg format(m2v), and put them into a DVD author and it'll have sound on the disc

Jun 27, 2004, 07:02 PM	#15
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	CBR is constant bitrate, VBR is variable bit rate...i use CBR and use MP2 and not LPCM....LPCM is linear PCM audio(i forget what pcm stands for)

Jun 27, 2004, 07:07 PM	Thread Starter #16
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Okay, thx bud. I will give CBR MP2 a shot....hope this works lol. Working on 100 hours on this stupid thing

Jun 27, 2004, 07:09 PM	#17
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	haha...it can be frustrating, yes

Jun 28, 2004, 12:43 AM	#20
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	try turning nosie removal completely off...it shouldn't take more then 3-5 hours on an A64

Jun 28, 2004, 04:45 AM	#22
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	u have 2 set it to make 2 seperate files

Jun 28, 2004, 01:08 PM	Thread Starter #23
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Yeah, but I dont know how lol. I'll just let it be for now thx for all the help everyone, I appreciate it very much

Jun 28, 2004, 05:53 PM	#24
MindlessOath DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,121 Rep Power: 0	NO, people use AMD's to do encodes too... in fact its my 1st choice to choose AMD to do this stuff, i used intels all the time, and by far AMD is way faster! however i do think hyperthreading does have small advantages, if u find an application to work with it. yea tho it shouldnt take more than 10 hours MAX!!!! on your hardware, you are just using some really messed up settings you shouldnt be... and yes, it would take a bit longer for the frames from 25 to 30fps conversion... but not annother 9 hours worth. __________________ ATI Radeon X800XT PE <---- LOOK UPDATED!! AMD Athlon 2Ghz, nforce2, 512mb ddr3500 LINKS U SHOULD KNOW!!!! DriverCleaner - use every time u install new drivers! ATI driver feedback - to report driver problems Tacticalcenter - my Gaming website and forums ATI 3rd party Optimized Driver Compairison

Jun 28, 2004, 07:46 PM	Thread Starter #25
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	Yeah, without the noise removal I was able to cut it down to under 5 hours. Weird it gives that much of a hit lol. Thanks for the help

Jun 29, 2004, 12:19 AM	#26
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 0	Noise removal takes a lot of time, should only be used for bad source video.

Oct 29, 2004, 08:08 AM	#27
MOS-Marauder DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	Muahhh.. Sorry but i think none of the MODs here really know something about that topic.... As u know: Pal is 25 FPS... If u want to Convert it to NTSC u first have to decide: 23,xx FPS NTSC Film or 29,xx FPS NTSC. The Best way (without losing Frames) is NTSC 29,xx FPS. 1st rip the DVD.. (Smartripper or DVD Decrypter (movie only!) 2. use DVD2AVI (uÂ´ll get all Audios and a d2v file) Then u can create an AVS file. (Avisynth.. usage look on doom9.org for exact Commands for that) After that use besweet to transfer the audios from LDPCM (or whatever) to Ac3 2.0 (inc conversion 25 FPS to 29,xx FPS) With the Besweet GUI u can simply choose it G After hat u can Author a new DVD using IFOEdit or if u want a Menu also .. DVDLab Pro. So long...

Dec 4, 2004, 04:55 PM	#29
WildChild I'm Still Watching Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey,U.S.A. Posts: 1,068 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Easiest way to do this would be to convert it to mpeg with nero express 3 it will ask you whether you want to keep the file as pal or convert to ntsc, once this is done then you can use a dvd creating program (could use nero for that also) to create the .vob files etc __________________ Knowledge is SCARY,Stupidity is REALLY frightening

Dec 4, 2004, 04:59 PM	#30
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	There is also a program which will do all coverting and more named: dvdSanta yeah i know funny name but it really works