Businessman07

Hey all. I recently purchased a HP dv7nr I was benchmarking it with 3dbenchmark06 and afterwards I noticed that my Cupid hardware monitor detected that my amd turion x2 had reached 87o celcius 189oF should I be concerned about this? my power setting was on high

I am a mild gamer but havn't done too much on it. I also am planning to clock the igp and the cores after my warranty is up. are these temps going to give me hell?

also should I change the fan temps in the bios or is there a good software I can use to get this fan running good?

BTW my benchmark was only 1453. with the ati hd 3200

Mac Daddy

Not really familiar with that mobile processor but sounds WAY to hot. It is possible that the hardware monitor isn't accurate. On that and the fan questions best handled by someone who has more experience with mobile stuff.

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Businessman07

Well I thought that it could have read inaccurate also so I matched it up with another program called and the temps were exactly the same so I do believe the processor did actually get that hot. the ACPI read 142f which I wasn't too concerned about, I am going to go ahead and purchase a notebook pad for cooling but I doubt that will do much for the internals.

I also cant seem to locate my HDD temp sensor, does anyone know if it actually has one?

again this is the HP DV7 1232nr

Edit: some extra Info. the fan constantly runs while operating in high performance, but it is running low, the fan doesn't kick into high until the processor reaches approximately 75 degrees celcius and then the temps drop considerably. I may just wait till HP releases an updated bios, because these temps seem high to me, but I am semi unfamilliar with HP running characteristics. right now the temps at minimal use are at 61 degrees celcius with power plan on high performance.

Mac Daddy

65 - 70C would be the max I would run a desktop CPU at considering yours is in a laptop way too hot

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Businessman07

This is straight from the factory, about 2 weeks old, what should I do? the laptop really doesnt feel that hot, but it has plenty of heat shielding though out it.



The second time I ran it just now.




Thoes temps

Mac Daddy

I don't think that's normal Bro and in a laptop not sure what you could do for cooling.

Anyone besides Businessman07 using this CPU that could possibly give him some advise?

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Liqourice

I checked the max temps on AMD mobile CPU's and what I can find it says 100 degrees. It did shock me quite a bit but it seems to be correct so a temp round 70 shouldn't be a problem..

Mine's holding at about 48 when idle.

Businessman07

100 degrees celsius? wow thats hot. 212 degrees F

Im astonished and relieved at the same time. can you post a link of where you found this information please.

I believe you I just want to see it for myself.

IvanV

Laptop CPUs are generally subject to higher temperatures than desktop ones (cramped space = smaller heatsinks and fans and less airflow).

That said, I don't know what's safe for that model, but some CPUs can withstand really high temperatures. Last summer, the Sempron in a friend's laptop hit 102C and lived so I don't think that this is extremely high. Still, it's a good idea to clean it on the inside, just like you'd do with a desktop, though yours is relatively new so I suppose that that isn't necessary at the moment.

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Liqourice

I found that info by just googling for it. Couldn't find any info on max operating temp on AMD for that cpu, but there were other sites that claimed that it was about 100 degrees.

Mac Daddy

Wow that's high and why I asked for help here I don't own one.

Thanks for pitching in guys !!

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swimtech

Hi Businessman07...

Seeing as your Turion ran at 87C running 3DMark 06 pretty much means that the thermal design of the cooling system is meant to handle fairly intense loads, however...

The thermal maximum design temperature of your processor is 100C - and 3DMark ran your CPU to 87C - that is fairly close to maximum. There are more intense benchmarks and applications that could push your CPU harder and possibly beyond its thermal rated maximum. 3DMark06 is, after all, a GPU benchmark. You could simultaneously run the Performance Monitor tool during the benchmark to see the percentage of CPU capacity that 3DMark uses - but several benchmarks push the CPU hard enough to make the Monitor tool show 100% CPU utilization even when there are quite measurable variances in the level of stress applied - as measured by heat output. If you push the CPU too hard, it should throttle itself to prevent damage though.

I guess what I'm saying is that your new machine was apparently designed so that it has just enough cooling capacity to handle most applications you would want to run with just a little headroom - and I would surmise if you were to run a very intensive CPU stress test program such as OCCT or Linpack, your CPU thermal protections would engage themselves - even though your machine is running at stock specifications. If you decide to overclock that machine, and push it hard, you will be even more likely to experience throttling of the CPU, not to mention other stresses to the chipset which includes your video processor, and the ram.

Not that this situation is unusual either - most laptops have thermal systems that are made to similar tolerances with very little headroom.

And, at least you don't have to deal with the possibility of premature failure of your video subsystem as has become an issue of late with laptops containing various Nvidia GPUs - HP among them...

Edit: Oh, here's the link to the PDF file for your processor thermal characteristics:
http://www.amd.com/us-en/assets/cont...docs/43373.pdf

The above was linked to via this page: http://support.amd.com/us/Pages/AMDSupportHub.aspx

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Judas

laptops and desktops are generally designed to fail or run up into the failing zones..

worse yet is that in a clean new enviroment they run realitively hot... but after even so much as a few months, things get dirty, and problems start to crop up unexpectedly. I've noticed a number of laptops where it isn't so much the CPU which is highly problematic... but the northbridge or the chipset used is overstressed and causing everything else to heat up right along with it (just about every machines i've torn apart shares the same heat disipation setup, be it a combination of heatpipes or heatsinks or both. Most of all of them is usually shows the chipset followed by the onboard GPU (if a seperate gpu is present and isn't part of the chipset in a sense) and then the CPU last.

This is just poor construction period, it's completely rediculious. It's like they are purposefully building the systems beyond thier rated lifetime specs.

Shit i've got laptops that are OLD OLD and work great, don't run hot and just keep on chewing for years. But i'm seeing tons of laptops from toshiba, hp, compaq, dell, etc where they are start to failing nearly EMEDIATELY after the first year (and of course that's where warranty usually expires as well).

Anyways, to me, 87*C is completely unacceptable, the sucker would have been cooking your legs if it were on your lap. And that's NEW.. what's going to happen when it's warmer, filled with dust? Probably will reach beyond.

IMO we need a bunch of people to start kicking these jackass manufacturers in the ass for doing this. What ever happened to the "near" passive laptops that were still quite high in performance figures...? Either stick a high end model cpu in and run it at lower voltages and frequencies, or don't bother with it at all.

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Businessman07

Thanks for all the helpful replies Guys the Info Given was exactly what I was looking for.

I think the problem is these manufactures are clocking these processors and gpu's from the factory and not taking in heat dissipation. Ill tear it apart within the next few weeks to see what my setup is, looks like its a heatsink cooling setup, i can see the fins. the temps soared to 92oC while I was logging all information and running 3dmark06 and had a couple programs running. Its sad that I can't do what I planned and clock this laptop. from what I can see, the laptop has heatshielding throughout, because it doesn't get hot anywhere but inside, the exaust from the fan however, extreme!

like judas said, I have an old dell latitude d600 and clocked it to 2.2 ghz no problems and have been like that for 2 years! I find this unacceptable.

However I may just be using this laptop out of its specs, it is only a entertainment PC but geese! right now I have 3 web pages open and Hardware monitor and the processor reads 70oC too high for minimal use. its weird because the processor monitor shows nothing more than 8% use.
Thanks again for the info people.

Mac Daddy

Glad you found the information you were looking for man and I agree with you unacceptable. Once you get a better look inside let us know if we can help more

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