I expected lower than average, but THIS?

funbill · Jul 5, 2003, 12:19 AM

Bleh, just got my Radeon 9500 PRO but scored dismal score in 2k1. I knew my PC133 would cause some trouble, but didnt think it had this much influence. What are some reccomendations? I probably should get the newest driver, anything else?
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6717463

Vengeance · Jul 5, 2003, 11:57 AM

Well buddy the ORB is down, so I cant look at your score
But I see in your sig that you have a Dell 1.6 GHz P4 (POS) <- whats that mean

(j/k)
and you say you have pc133 ram and I 9500 Pro, Right? So let me take a stabe in the dark here

(

) <- look I'm thinking

I'll bet your getting 9500 to 10500 range.

*Vengeance does his snoopy dance because he know hes right*

I am

arent I?

Ok all kidding aside

I had a 9500 Pro with my POS compaq 2.0 P4 that I had right before this one.
And at first I got about 10400 I was like WTF!!!
I just knew it was wrong!!! But I was

In a topnotch system the 9500 Pro will shine like a bald guys head

Now I have a 9700 Pro in a 2.4 GHz P4 (Still a POS compaq) and at all stock speeds with the new Omega 3.5's I got 13080
I got 132XX something with the reg 3.5's And thats about normal for a stock system!

............My score still sucks

So......what is your score anyways?

Kgentatszu] · Jul 5, 2003, 12:03 PM

i think he should range from 9000-12000.....

~~HawK~~ · Jul 5, 2003, 12:33 PM

FSB @100mhz ? why?
DX8.1 you areware that the 9500 is dx9 capable ?
Win-ME ? be glad that it runs,oops sorry mister Gates I will never say again ME sucs

Kgentatszu] · Jul 5, 2003, 12:48 PM

*cough* something is NOT THAT RIGHT HERE!! funbill, have you tried reformatting your PC??? did you use driver cleaner to "wash" away your previous drivers?? and have you had all the drivers installed?? AGP driver?? latest cat's?? and what 'bout temperature?? what's your temperature like?? and did you benchmark when you had your previous geforce2MX?? please answer as many as you can so that we can help..

Vengeance · Jul 5, 2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maxxypoos
i think he should range from 9000-12000.....

Whooooa!!! We were both wrong he got a big old 5568

Dude Hawk is right go get DX9 for starters
And why is your front side buss listed at 100MHz ?

Shouldnt it be 400MHz for a 1.6 GHz P4 ?

Yeah 5568 is real low. I got better than that with my old 1.1GHz celeron and a Geforce 3

I used to get 7000+ with it.

Do you have stuff running in the background? What settings is your card set at?
Do you have AA and AF set to always on?

I dont know anything about Win ME

only what I've heard, And its not all good

But on a brighter note! I finally found someone with a system mine can beat

J/k

Kgentatszu] · Jul 5, 2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vengeance
Whooooa!!! We were both wrong he got a big old 5568

Dude Hawk is right go get DX9 for starters
And why is your front side buss listed at 100MHz ?
Shouldnt it be 400MHz for a 1.6 GHz P4 ?

Yeah 5568 is real low. I got better than that with my old 1.1GHz celeron and a Geforce 3
I used to get 7000+ with it.

Do you have stuff running in the background? What settings is your card set at?
Do you have AA and AF set to always on?

I dont know anything about Win ME only what I've heard, And its not all good

But on a brighter note! I finally found someone with a system mine can beat

J/k

guys, he's running his CPU@100fsb<------- that's normal.....remember? Intel has quad-pumped their P4 which makes them 400Fsb (100x4)..dont tell me that yours is listed as 400??? that would make it 1600fsb........

Oh~ and by the way mate, remember to use default settings when benchmarking----> 1024x768+AA, AF off+latest DX9+Vsync off+latest drivers+latest AGP driver........and for your information, WinME is not that good for gaming, you should get an XP......

*Ahem* vengeance, and who might that "someone" be???

Vengeance · Jul 5, 2003, 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maxxypoos
*Ahem* vengeance, and who might that "someone" be???

LOL I meant his system

I made that post before I read yours about your system

Quote:

guys, he's running his CPU@100fsb<------- that's normal.....remember? Intel has quad-pumped their P4 which makes them 400Fsb (100x4)..dont tell me that yours is listed as 400???

In the ORB it should still be listed as 400MHz right?
Mine old 2.0Ghz was a 400 FSB and it was listed in the ORB as 400 FSB.
I'm not the brightest when it comes to PC's and what all does what. But if it says he's running a FSB at 100 then isnt that like 25MHz?

Kgentatszu] · Jul 5, 2003, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vengeance
LOL I meant his system I made that post before I read yours about your system

In the ORB it should still be listed as 400MHz right?
Mine old 2.0Ghz was a 400 FSB and it was listed in the ORB as 400 FSB.
I'm not the brightest when it comes to PC's and what all does what. But if it says he's running a FSB at 100 then isnt that like 25MHz?

~LOL

, hahaahaa...mate, go and double check the ORB.....i'm pretty sure you'll be shocked to see yours, cause it'll be running at 33.33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333 33333333333333333333333333333333...............Mhz

funbill · Jul 5, 2003, 10:13 PM

Yeah, i told u it sucked. I was expecting at least 8 K minimun. I guess I dont have DX9, where do I get it? (I thought the Catalyst CD installed it for me) Yeah, my FSB is quad pumped to 400 i believe, its what sandra says anyway. I just have boxed cats, like 4.13.01.9069. Old Geforce2 scored ~ 2300 but I never updated that driver either. When I ran the test I believe everything was set to application preference with the slider bar midway peformance and quality. Anything else you need to know tell me, I expected something better though.

BTW Im not THAT into computers to know how or where to take my temperature.

**MIG-31** · Jul 5, 2003, 10:19 PM

directx 9a

or it would come on your driver disk supplied with your graphics card.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jul 5, 2003, 10:21 PM

dude its a dell LOL

ok $300 system will beat a 2,000 store bought pc in 3dmark ...

common list of suckage...
dell

compaq & hp (who actually will stop makeing pc's for the public in 2004/2005 it been in the works for a long time)

gateway
IBM

if you going to buy branded look for someting like alien ware..

make sure you have you chipset drivers , agp drivers loaded but there is no much you can do becouse comanys like dell look at stability and cheapness first performance last... what will market good yet not cost much

toddsmack2k · Jul 6, 2003, 02:12 PM

funbill do this:
1. Download Drivercleaner HERE
2. Run Drivercleaner for Nvidia, reboot
3. Run Drivercleaner for ATI, reboot
4. Install DX9a
5. Install latest Catalyst drivers and control panel (3.5's)
6. Before benchmarking open driver control panel and set all sliders to performance, all the way to the left

Hopefully this will help you get the scores you are looking for or at least get you closer.

funbill · Jul 7, 2003, 01:56 AM

I used the cleaner the first time I unistalled the nvidia and put in the ATI. Hopefully the one that came with is just really bad. Ill uninstall the current and put in Cat3.5. Do I need the other downloads or just catalyst video? My last windows reinstall was about 8 months ago for trying to update nvidia without deleting old one

. Whats the point/how to reinstall when windows still works? Do I need to install all other programs after I do that too or does it just reinstall windows? Also, is the disk defragmenter worth doing that came with ME? I think thats about all to say for now, hope Cats do the main trick. My card still runs for games, so I dont think temperature is too bad, dunno how hot its supposed to feel either

toddsmack2k · Jul 7, 2003, 02:53 PM

You need to download both the video driver and control panel. Then install both of them. Make sure you have DX9 installed also. Go ahead just for a bit of clean up and defrag your hard drive with the one in ME. An then benchmark and see what you get. Make sure you have your sliders in the control panel set to performance.

Well since it has been 8 months since you last reinstalled windows now would be as good a time as any. After so long windows files get misplaced and corrupt and you have registry entries left over from programs being installed and uninstalled. While windows may still run fine it will slow down some. You would be amazed at the difference in speed in a nice fresh install, but that is totally up to you. As it can be a little bit of a hassle backing all the stuff you dont want to lose. Hope this helps you some and let us know if your scores improve.

funbill · Jul 7, 2003, 06:16 PM

7916-Results after DX9 Cat3.5s and Performance. Still not that high but gained almost 2500 points.

Logla · Jul 7, 2003, 06:33 PM

Is it just me or do the futuremark servers seem to be down a lot lately?

Kgentatszu] · Jul 9, 2003, 01:39 PM

have you done a fresh install????

funbill · Jul 10, 2003, 09:02 PM

How exactly do i do a fresh install, I have alotta programs that I dont wanna reinstall either

Shadow Lady · Jul 16, 2003, 07:28 PM

ok, thtas fun bill lol

somethen its really wrong with ur score, here are my scores

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6603558

even when I didnt run the CPU at the normal speed but underclocked there is somethen really wrong with your score, it is not memory related cauze I have the same (even less...) Im thinking there is some background program that is killin your cpu, you should see if u have somethen runnin when u take those marks.

ohh well, how about reinstalling (overwrite) your current windows installation? it wont delete any programs, also u could try freeing some memory, use any ram freing program for that, ohh well... Im out of ideas sorry ^^

**MIG-31** · Jul 16, 2003, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadow Lady
ok, thtas fun bill lol

somethen its really wrong with ur score, here are my scores

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6603558

even when I didnt run the CPU at the normal speed but underclocked there is somethen really wrong with your score, it is not memory related cauze I have the same (even less...) Im thinking there is some background program that is killin your cpu, you should see if u have somethen runnin when u take those marks.

ohh well, how about reinstalling (overwrite) your current windows installation? it wont delete any programs, also u could try freeing some memory, use any ram freing program for that, ohh well... Im out of ideas sorry ^^

the system youve just displyed in future mark is identical to mine my futuremark down to every detail?

Shadow Lady · Jul 17, 2003, 06:01 AM

huh? do I beat a P4 2.5ghz + GF4ti4600??

thats... wierd

you must have been doin somethen wrong, or maybe the difference between an athlon and a P4 is that high, but I did never beat a GF4ti4600 =/

somethen is really strange with that hmmm

and no, I dont make the details down, just as they get installed, as we all know that a default benchmark is better to compare our PCs, but ur case is just ridicoulus, I had a friend that with a Athlon t-bird 1.2ghz and a GF4ti4200 scored 8100marks and no overclock at all

BWX · Jul 17, 2003, 06:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by funbill
How exactly do i do a fresh install, I have alotta programs that I dont wanna reinstall either

How many icons do you have in the taskbar - down by the speaker (volume control)?

Most Dells that I have the unfortunate luck to work on seem to be loaded to the hilt with icons down there- My girlfriend's mothers's Dell had about 25 programs running in the background and couldn't figure out why AOL was running slow.

No wonder why so many people hate "computers" - when the run like that.

funbill · Jul 23, 2003, 03:35 PM

Yeah, there are TONS of icons, also CTRL ALT DLT shows tons of useless things in background. I close them for benching, but it gets a little annonying trying to close backgroud programs End tasking so much, any way to disable them more permanently?

BWX · Jul 23, 2003, 04:24 PM

Why yes there is!

Go to run/ type "msconfig" without quotes.

go to start tab,

go through and uncheck all the programs you have no need for. Always keep stimon (still image monitor-- for cameras/scanners..etc..)

and your norton..macaffee etc.....

reboot- no mre junk,, enjoy!

Also download and install adaware 6.0 an spybot --- update them from within the program- run them weekly if not more. (I run both)

Defrag, scan disk-- Uninstall old programs, turn off sreensaver, etc..etc..etc.....

**MIG-31** · Jul 23, 2003, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shadow Lady
huh? do I beat a P4 2.5ghz + GF4ti4600??

thats... wierd

you must have been doin somethen wrong, or maybe the difference between an athlon and a P4 is that high, but I did never beat a GF4ti4600 =/

somethen is really strange with that hmmm

and no, I dont make the details down, just as they get installed, as we all know that a default benchmark is better to compare our PCs, but ur case is just ridicoulus, I had a friend that with a Athlon t-bird 1.2ghz and a GF4ti4200 scored 8100marks and no overclock at all

i'm let down by a poor m/b in my opinion. would u have a old m/b aswell see in you benchie it's set at 2x agp might make a difference set to 4x in your bios if possible.

Kgentatszu] · Jul 23, 2003, 04:38 PM

er.......one more noob here.....what's adaware 6.0 'bout??? and where can i download them (spybot too)??

BWX · Jul 23, 2003, 04:45 PM

Adaware
http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/

Adaware
http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=506

I guess it is Adaware 6.181

Spybot
http://www.net-integration.net/spybot/spybotsd.html

Everyone needs these 2 programs

Kgentatszu] · Jul 23, 2003, 04:50 PM

thankz...........what's the difference between spy bot and adaware???

**MIG-31** · Jul 23, 2003, 04:57 PM

just to add be a little cautious using adaware 6 i have had to reinstall windows twice before becaose of deleting the wrong file from that utill.just be a little carefull.

but generally the program is fine.

Jul 5, 2003, 12:19 AM	#1
funbill DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	I expected lower than average, but THIS? Bleh, just got my Radeon 9500 PRO but scored dismal score in 2k1. I knew my PC133 would cause some trouble, but didnt think it had this much influence. What are some reccomendations? I probably should get the newest driver, anything else? http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6717463 __________________ Dell Dimension 4300 POS 512 MB SDRAM 1.6 Ghz P4 WinME Radeon 9500 PRO

Jul 5, 2003, 11:57 AM	#2
Vengeance DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Fort Worth TX Posts: 643 Rep Power: 0	Well buddy the ORB is down, so I cant look at your score But I see in your sig that you have a Dell 1.6 GHz P4 (POS) <- whats that mean (j/k) and you say you have pc133 ram and I 9500 Pro, Right? So let me take a stabe in the dark here ( ) <- look I'm thinking I'll bet your getting 9500 to 10500 range. Vengeance does his snoopy dance because he know hes right I am arent I? Ok all kidding aside I had a 9500 Pro with my POS compaq 2.0 P4 that I had right before this one. And at first I got about 10400 I was like WTF!!! I just knew it was wrong!!! But I was In a topnotch system the 9500 Pro will shine like a bald guys head Now I have a 9700 Pro in a 2.4 GHz P4 (Still a POS compaq) and at all stock speeds with the new Omega 3.5's I got 13080 I got 132XX something with the reg 3.5's And thats about normal for a stock system! ............My score still sucks So......what is your score anyways? __________________ [color=red]Rage3D Super Moderator[/color] [color=red]BFG 6800 GT [/color]

Jul 5, 2003, 10:13 PM	Thread Starter #10
funbill DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, i told u it sucked. I was expecting at least 8 K minimun. I guess I dont have DX9, where do I get it? (I thought the Catalyst CD installed it for me) Yeah, my FSB is quad pumped to 400 i believe, its what sandra says anyway. I just have boxed cats, like 4.13.01.9069. Old Geforce2 scored ~ 2300 but I never updated that driver either. When I ran the test I believe everything was set to application preference with the slider bar midway peformance and quality. Anything else you need to know tell me, I expected something better though. BTW Im not THAT into computers to know how or where to take my temperature. __________________ Dell Dimension 4300 POS 512 MB SDRAM 1.6 Ghz P4 WinME Radeon 9500 PRO

Jul 5, 2003, 10:19 PM	#11
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,817 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	dx9a directx 9a or it would come on your driver disk supplied with your graphics card. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here

Jul 5, 2003, 10:21 PM	#12
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	dude its a dell LOL ok $300 system will beat a 2,000 store bought pc in 3dmark ... common list of suckage... dell compaq & hp (who actually will stop makeing pc's for the public in 2004/2005 it been in the works for a long time) gateway IBM if you going to buy branded look for someting like alien ware.. make sure you have you chipset drivers , agp drivers loaded but there is no much you can do becouse comanys like dell look at stability and cheapness first performance last... what will market good yet not cost much __________________

Jul 5, 2003, 12:03 PM	#3
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	i think he should range from 9000-12000.....

Jul 5, 2003, 12:33 PM	#4
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	FSB @100mhz ? why? DX8.1 you areware that the 9500 is dx9 capable ? Win-ME ? be glad that it runs,oops sorry mister Gates I will never say again ME sucs

Jul 5, 2003, 12:48 PM	#5
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	cough something is NOT THAT RIGHT HERE!! funbill, have you tried reformatting your PC??? did you use driver cleaner to "wash" away your previous drivers?? and have you had all the drivers installed?? AGP driver?? latest cat's?? and what 'bout temperature?? what's your temperature like?? and did you benchmark when you had your previous geforce2MX?? please answer as many as you can so that we can help..

Jul 6, 2003, 02:12 PM	#13
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	funbill do this: 1. Download Drivercleaner HERE 2. Run Drivercleaner for Nvidia, reboot 3. Run Drivercleaner for ATI, reboot 4. Install DX9a 5. Install latest Catalyst drivers and control panel (3.5's) 6. Before benchmarking open driver control panel and set all sliders to performance, all the way to the left Hopefully this will help you get the scores you are looking for or at least get you closer. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jul 7, 2003, 01:56 AM	Thread Starter #14
funbill DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	I used the cleaner the first time I unistalled the nvidia and put in the ATI. Hopefully the one that came with is just really bad. Ill uninstall the current and put in Cat3.5. Do I need the other downloads or just catalyst video? My last windows reinstall was about 8 months ago for trying to update nvidia without deleting old one . Whats the point/how to reinstall when windows still works? Do I need to install all other programs after I do that too or does it just reinstall windows? Also, is the disk defragmenter worth doing that came with ME? I think thats about all to say for now, hope Cats do the main trick. My card still runs for games, so I dont think temperature is too bad, dunno how hot its supposed to feel either __________________ Dell Dimension 4300 POS 512 MB SDRAM 1.6 Ghz P4 WinME Radeon 9500 PRO

Jul 7, 2003, 02:53 PM	#15
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	You need to download both the video driver and control panel. Then install both of them. Make sure you have DX9 installed also. Go ahead just for a bit of clean up and defrag your hard drive with the one in ME. An then benchmark and see what you get. Make sure you have your sliders in the control panel set to performance. Well since it has been 8 months since you last reinstalled windows now would be as good a time as any. After so long windows files get misplaced and corrupt and you have registry entries left over from programs being installed and uninstalled. While windows may still run fine it will slow down some. You would be amazed at the difference in speed in a nice fresh install, but that is totally up to you. As it can be a little bit of a hassle backing all the stuff you dont want to lose. Hope this helps you some and let us know if your scores improve. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Jul 7, 2003, 06:16 PM	Thread Starter #16
funbill DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	7916-Results after DX9 Cat3.5s and Performance. Still not that high but gained almost 2500 points. __________________ Dell Dimension 4300 POS 512 MB SDRAM 1.6 Ghz P4 WinME Radeon 9500 PRO

Jul 7, 2003, 06:33 PM	#17
Logla HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,311 Rep Power: 0	Is it just me or do the futuremark servers seem to be down a lot lately?

Jul 9, 2003, 01:39 PM	#18
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	have you done a fresh install????

Jul 10, 2003, 09:02 PM	Thread Starter #19
funbill DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	How exactly do i do a fresh install, I have alotta programs that I dont wanna reinstall either __________________ Dell Dimension 4300 POS 512 MB SDRAM 1.6 Ghz P4 WinME Radeon 9500 PRO

Jul 16, 2003, 07:28 PM	#20
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	ok, thtas fun bill lol somethen its really wrong with ur score, here are my scores http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=6603558 even when I didnt run the CPU at the normal speed but underclocked there is somethen really wrong with your score, it is not memory related cauze I have the same (even less...) Im thinking there is some background program that is killin your cpu, you should see if u have somethen runnin when u take those marks. ohh well, how about reinstalling (overwrite) your current windows installation? it wont delete any programs, also u could try freeing some memory, use any ram freing program for that, ohh well... Im out of ideas sorry ^^ __________________ Oblivion ftw

Jul 17, 2003, 06:01 AM	#22
Shadow Lady Avril Fan Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: somewhere in colombia, okok, bogotá city :p Posts: 1,262 Rep Power: 0	huh? do I beat a P4 2.5ghz + GF4ti4600?? thats... wierd you must have been doin somethen wrong, or maybe the difference between an athlon and a P4 is that high, but I did never beat a GF4ti4600 =/ somethen is really strange with that hmmm and no, I dont make the details down, just as they get installed, as we all know that a default benchmark is better to compare our PCs, but ur case is just ridicoulus, I had a friend that with a Athlon t-bird 1.2ghz and a GF4ti4200 scored 8100marks and no overclock at all __________________ Oblivion ftw

Jul 23, 2003, 03:35 PM	Thread Starter #24
funbill DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, there are TONS of icons, also CTRL ALT DLT shows tons of useless things in background. I close them for benching, but it gets a little annonying trying to close backgroud programs End tasking so much, any way to disable them more permanently? __________________ Dell Dimension 4300 POS 512 MB SDRAM 1.6 Ghz P4 WinME Radeon 9500 PRO

Jul 23, 2003, 04:24 PM	#25
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Why yes there is! Go to run/ type "msconfig" without quotes. go to start tab, go through and uncheck all the programs you have no need for. Always keep stimon (still image monitor-- for cameras/scanners..etc..) and your norton..macaffee etc..... reboot- no mre junk,, enjoy! Also download and install adaware 6.0 an spybot --- update them from within the program- run them weekly if not more. (I run both) Defrag, scan disk-- Uninstall old programs, turn off sreensaver, etc..etc..etc..... __________________

Jul 23, 2003, 04:38 PM	#27
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	er.......one more noob here.....what's adaware 6.0 'bout??? and where can i download them (spybot too)??

Jul 23, 2003, 04:45 PM	#28
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Adaware http://www.lavasoft.de/support/download/ Adaware http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=506 I guess it is Adaware 6.181 Spybot http://www.net-integration.net/spybot/spybotsd.html Everyone needs these 2 programs __________________

Jul 23, 2003, 04:50 PM	#29
Kgentatszu] DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,802 Rep Power: 0	thankz...........what's the difference between spy bot and adaware???

Jul 23, 2003, 04:57 PM	#30
MIG-31 HardwareHeaven News Mod Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Nottingham,UK Posts: 56,817 Rep Power: 471 System Specs	maxxypoos just to add be a little cautious using adaware 6 i have had to reinstall windows twice before becaose of deleting the wrong file from that utill.just be a little carefull. but generally the program is fine. __________________ Please Post Your News Submissions Here