Breaking the 20K mark...

Negative Design · Oct 29, 2004, 06:56 PM

Grrrrrr!! Im frustrated Just got 9800 pr0 from 9500-9700 , went from 17K to 18,778 and thats WITH my cpu at 2.5 GHZ AND my card at 445/375!! AND with 9800se omega drivers!! without those i get 17K!

My 9500-9700 was Oc'd to 315/360

I saw someone with a 9700pro 512mb ram and had 19k!!...maybe its my ram

I have geil ultra dual channel ram@225FSB.

2x256 ram(getting BH-5 soon)
2500 Barton XP-M @2.52GHZ
NF7-S TT MantaRayXT BIOS
Sapphire 9800 pro VGA silencer etc etc..

Any advice would be appreciated

Thanks,
J.

Furious1 · Oct 29, 2004, 07:23 PM

Probably going to be Drivers before it is something like RAM. 3Dmarks is far to GPU reliant for it really to be anything else. When I run my RAM in Dual Channel or Single Channel, I pretty much get the Same scores. Same with the RAM timings.

Negative Design · Oct 29, 2004, 07:36 PM

I use omega drivers...what drivers do you suggest? what are your 3d01 scores.

Vampyromaniac · Oct 29, 2004, 07:51 PM

Possibly your CPU holding you back a bit. tastyweat had a bit of a hard time breaking 20k with his overclocked AMD and 9800Pro.

my 9700 gets over 20,400

Negative Design · Oct 29, 2004, 08:16 PM

how is my cpu holding me back? Im at 2.5GHza huge increase from what I previously had lol.

Lowfat · Oct 29, 2004, 08:30 PM

I get just shy of 18K on my 9700 pro and a 2600 barton.

Vampyromaniac · Oct 29, 2004, 09:12 PM

I only said "possibly", I don't know for sure. You can certainly try pushing your 9800 higher, maybe upgrade the cooling to help with that.

I do know when comparing my score to a 2426MHz AthlonXP with a 9800Pro at 470/380, it's:
AthlonXP/9800 - 20089
vs
Athlon64/9700 - 20461
my A64 was at 2210 MHz and 9700 at 390/350

I wonder though, did you do a fresh install of Windows when you upgraded your card?

Negative Design · Oct 29, 2004, 09:19 PM

nope no fresh install, I hate those lol.
I wanna mention I got 1,000Pts after defragging my HD that why im at 19K now.

Upgrade cooling to what? any reccomendations.

I think you got 20K because your core was 470 mine is 445.I think I'm gonna volt mod it and my mobo soon.

Vampyromaniac · Oct 29, 2004, 09:40 PM

No, mine was the 9700 at 390/350

A fresh install can do wonders, and is highly recommended for graphics card upgrades.

A lot of people use and like the ATI Silencer: What is a good gpu cooler?

CrapolaJola · Oct 29, 2004, 09:48 PM

install win2k /w dx8.1 - easy points

Negative Design · Oct 29, 2004, 10:27 PM

like it said on my 1st post I use VGA silencer

im may watercool my system when I get some extra $$

Vampyromaniac · Oct 30, 2004, 03:40 AM

Oops, I didn't remember that part, sorry.
But definitely look into doing a fresh install of Windows.

Nicky-chan · Oct 31, 2004, 01:51 AM

The highest i can get is 19K on my 9800 pro. I guess i could try reinstalling windows, would it really help alot?

Negative Design · Nov 4, 2004, 06:14 AM

I may be getting a DFI mobo ...so Im gonna have to reinstall windows and turn off APIC while im at it

hopefully teh DFI can put me at 20K and above.

pr0digal jenius · Nov 4, 2004, 06:28 AM

i havent run 2k1 in forever.....haha

but if i recall i never got over 20k myself

but yes...a fresh isntall of windows will help you out a lot, and be sure to get directX 9.0c and the latest catalysts/Omega's

that should put you voer the hill

Negative Design · Nov 4, 2004, 06:32 AM

im using 2.57 driver now..the 2.5 have HORRIBLE gamma

Btw off topic but is that marylyn manson in ur sig?

pr0digal jenius · Nov 4, 2004, 06:35 AM

yep...a heavily photochopped manson at that

refraction · Nov 4, 2004, 08:22 AM

Radeon 9800 SE boards are truely crap, they run about the same as a 9500 board, which is really slow, they are about half the performance of the 9800 Pro boards, so its likely the 9700 is faster.

i got an athon 64 3400+ and a Radeon 9800XT and i get about 20200 marks.

Vampyromaniac · Nov 4, 2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by refraction

i got an athon 64 3400+ and a Radeon 9800XT and i get about 20200 marks.

try overclocking that XT, should boost your score quite a bit

refraction · Nov 4, 2004, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyromaniac

try overclocking that XT, should boost your score quite a bit

yeh i will have a play some time, only thing is these do get very hot, and as a downfall it doesnt clock so well!!

infact i can get my 9800 Pro to run at higher clock speeds than this. mind you the pro has got watercooling on it

CDsDontBurn · Nov 4, 2004, 09:00 AM

ahh....the old ati 9x00 series cards. My highest on my 9700pro was 16,496pts. on 2001. My average was 14,500~15,500.

refraction · Nov 4, 2004, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CDsDontBurn

ahh....the old ati 9x00 series cards. My highest on my 9700pro was 16,496pts. on 2001. My average was 14,500~15,500.

thats a pretty admerable score for a 9700 series

CDsDontBurn · Nov 4, 2004, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by refraction

thats a pretty admerable score for a 9700 series

my system specs then were 9700pro, 512Mb Corsair XMS 400, ePox 8rda+ MoBo, xp2400

refraction · Nov 4, 2004, 10:36 AM

then id say that was very good!!

pr0digal jenius · Nov 4, 2004, 06:33 PM

i suck at 3dmark

lol

as vampy said...do OC that thing and you'll easily break 20k

Vampyromaniac · Nov 5, 2004, 06:53 AM

here's my 9700pro: link

pr0digal jenius · Nov 5, 2004, 07:24 AM

nice, if i recall, i was in the 13000-14000 range last i checked

CDsDontBurn · Nov 5, 2004, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vampyromaniac

here's my 9700pro: link

Awesome score on a AIW 9700pro.

To my best knowledge, the AIW series does not perform as well as the non-AIW series cards. It's like 10% less of a performer than it's counterpart. Is that true Vampy?

Vampyromaniac · Nov 5, 2004, 05:57 PM

No, as far as I know, they are evenly matched. The AIW 9700Pro had the same core/mem clocks as the plain 9700Pro, same #of pixel pipes, same #of mem controllers. Some AIW's after that even had higher clocks than their plain counterparts

CrapolaJola · Nov 10, 2004, 07:01 AM

Here's a an eas yway for many free points. Install Win2k with DX8.1 (don't install DX9 gives lower scores). Then use the new tweak discovered by the guys over at XtremeSystems. Go into device manager and change your computer from ACPI Uniprocessor to ACPI Multiprocessor, apparently increases heatout at idle (load is about same), but it gives a very nice FPS boost in 2001.

Oct 29, 2004, 06:56 PM	#1
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	Breaking the 20K mark... Grrrrrr!! Im frustrated Just got 9800 pr0 from 9500-9700 , went from 17K to 18,778 and thats WITH my cpu at 2.5 GHZ AND my card at 445/375!! AND with 9800se omega drivers!! without those i get 17K! My 9500-9700 was Oc'd to 315/360 I saw someone with a 9700pro 512mb ram and had 19k!!...maybe its my ram I have geil ultra dual channel ram@225FSB. 2x256 ram(getting BH-5 soon) 2500 Barton XP-M @2.52GHZ NF7-S TT MantaRayXT BIOS Sapphire 9800 pro VGA silencer etc etc.. Any advice would be appreciated Thanks, J. __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Oct 29, 2004, 07:23 PM	#2
Furious1 DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 98 Rep Power: 0	Probably going to be Drivers before it is something like RAM. 3Dmarks is far to GPU reliant for it really to be anything else. When I run my RAM in Dual Channel or Single Channel, I pretty much get the Same scores. Same with the RAM timings. __________________ [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff][color=darkred]P4 @ 3.4E (243 FSB) MSI Neo2 865PE Neo2-PLS Sapphire x800 XT-PE Kingston 1 GB DDR466 2x SATA 80GB 7200RPM[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color] [color=#dddddd][color=#f0f0f0][color=#dddddd][color=#0000ff][color=darkred][color=#0000ff]3Dmarks03 = 12763 3Dmarks05 = 5804[/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Oct 29, 2004, 07:36 PM	Thread Starter #3
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	I use omega drivers...what drivers do you suggest? what are your 3d01 scores. __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Oct 29, 2004, 07:51 PM	#4
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Possibly your CPU holding you back a bit. tastyweat had a bit of a hard time breaking 20k with his overclocked AMD and 9800Pro. my 9700 gets over 20,400 __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Oct 29, 2004, 08:16 PM	Thread Starter #5
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	how is my cpu holding me back? Im at 2.5GHza huge increase from what I previously had lol. __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Oct 29, 2004, 08:30 PM	#6
Lowfat Xtreme Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Grande Prairie, AB, Can Posts: 4,254 Rep Power: 101	I get just shy of 18K on my 9700 pro and a 2600 barton.

Oct 29, 2004, 09:12 PM	#7
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	I only said "possibly", I don't know for sure. You can certainly try pushing your 9800 higher, maybe upgrade the cooling to help with that. I do know when comparing my score to a 2426MHz AthlonXP with a 9800Pro at 470/380, it's: AthlonXP/9800 - 20089 vs Athlon64/9700 - 20461 my A64 was at 2210 MHz and 9700 at 390/350 I wonder though, did you do a fresh install of Windows when you upgraded your card? __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Oct 29, 2004, 09:19 PM	Thread Starter #8
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	nope no fresh install, I hate those lol. I wanna mention I got 1,000Pts after defragging my HD that why im at 19K now. Upgrade cooling to what? any reccomendations. I think you got 20K because your core was 470 mine is 445.I think I'm gonna volt mod it and my mobo soon. __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Oct 29, 2004, 09:40 PM	#9
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	No, mine was the 9700 at 390/350 A fresh install can do wonders, and is highly recommended for graphics card upgrades. A lot of people use and like the ATI Silencer: What is a good gpu cooler? __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Oct 29, 2004, 09:48 PM	#10
CrapolaJola The Great DaK Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 317 Rep Power: 0	install win2k /w dx8.1 - easy points __________________ P2 X4 @ 3.6ghz, 4gb ddr3, SSD, 5870 @ 950/1250 + a 3ghz i5 lappy

Oct 29, 2004, 10:27 PM	Thread Starter #11
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	like it said on my 1st post I use VGA silencer im may watercool my system when I get some extra $$ __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Oct 30, 2004, 03:40 AM	#12
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	Oops, I didn't remember that part, sorry. But definitely look into doing a fresh install of Windows. __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Oct 31, 2004, 01:51 AM	#13
Nicky-chan formally Elclair Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arizona,Pheonix Posts: 360 Rep Power: 0	The highest i can get is 19K on my 9800 pro. I guess i could try reinstalling windows, would it really help alot? __________________

Nov 4, 2004, 06:14 AM	Thread Starter #14
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	I may be getting a DFI mobo ...so Im gonna have to reinstall windows and turn off APIC while im at it hopefully teh DFI can put me at 20K and above. __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Nov 4, 2004, 06:28 AM	#15
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	i havent run 2k1 in forever.....haha but if i recall i never got over 20k myself but yes...a fresh isntall of windows will help you out a lot, and be sure to get directX 9.0c and the latest catalysts/Omega's that should put you voer the hill

Nov 4, 2004, 10:36 AM	#24
refraction DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0 $refraction is on a distinguished road$	then id say that was very good!! __________________ [color=royalblue]Computer Specs[/color] := [color=royalblue]AMD Opteron 146 2.0Ghz @ 2.9Ghz[/color] = [color=royalblue]1024Mb PC4400 RAM Dual Channel[/color] = [color=royalblue]Gainward BLISS 7900GTX 512mb[/color] = [color=royalblue]SB Audigy 4 [/color]= [color=royalblue]250Gb SATA Hard Drive[/color] = [color=royalblue]Thermaltake Xaser Case [/color]= [color=royalblue]Benq FP91G+[/color][color=royalblue] 19" TFT[/color]
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Nov 4, 2004, 06:32 AM	Thread Starter #16
Negative Design DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: New York Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0	im using 2.57 driver now..the 2.5 have HORRIBLE gamma Btw off topic but is that marylyn manson in ur sig? __________________ "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance,it is the illusion of knowledge. " -vL-

Nov 4, 2004, 06:35 AM	#17
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	yep...a heavily photochopped manson at that

Nov 4, 2004, 08:22 AM	#18
refraction DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 307 Rep Power: 0 $refraction is on a distinguished road$	Radeon 9800 SE boards are truely crap, they run about the same as a 9500 board, which is really slow, they are about half the performance of the 9800 Pro boards, so its likely the 9700 is faster. i got an athon 64 3400+ and a Radeon 9800XT and i get about 20200 marks. __________________ [color=royalblue]Computer Specs[/color] := [color=royalblue]AMD Opteron 146 2.0Ghz @ 2.9Ghz[/color] = [color=royalblue]1024Mb PC4400 RAM Dual Channel[/color] = [color=royalblue]Gainward BLISS 7900GTX 512mb[/color] = [color=royalblue]SB Audigy 4 [/color]= [color=royalblue]250Gb SATA Hard Drive[/color] = [color=royalblue]Thermaltake Xaser Case [/color]= [color=royalblue]Benq FP91G+[/color][color=royalblue] 19" TFT[/color]
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Nov 4, 2004, 09:00 AM	#21
CDsDontBurn Lurking DriverHeaven Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southern California Posts: 22,779 Rep Power: 235 System Specs	ahh....the old ati 9x00 series cards. My highest on my 9700pro was 16,496pts. on 2001. My average was 14,500~15,500. __________________ Her First Day \| A year later

Nov 4, 2004, 06:33 PM	#25
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	i suck at 3dmark lol as vampy said...do OC that thing and you'll easily break 20k

Nov 5, 2004, 06:53 AM	#26
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	here's my 9700pro: link __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Nov 5, 2004, 07:24 AM	#27
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	nice, if i recall, i was in the 13000-14000 range last i checked

Nov 5, 2004, 05:57 PM	#29
Vampyromaniac confutatis maledictis Join Date: May 2002 Location: somewhere dark Posts: 5,974 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	No, as far as I know, they are evenly matched. The AIW 9700Pro had the same core/mem clocks as the plain 9700Pro, same #of pixel pipes, same #of mem controllers. Some AIW's after that even had higher clocks than their plain counterparts __________________ *Digitalis 3.3* Athlon 64 3000 // ASUS K8V SE Deluxe // 1024MB PC3200 (2-2-2-10 1T) ATI All-In-Wonder 9700 Pro // 20" Dell 2005FPW (DVI) M-Audio Revo 7.1 + Philips Acoustic Edge // Klipsch ProMedia 2.1 320/16 Western Digital WD3200KS + 120/8 Seagate 7200.7 NEC ND-3550A 16x DVD±RW + Lite-On 52x24x CD-RW Antec Sonata case // 480W Antec TruePower personal bests \|\| Aq'3: 46796 \| 3D'01: 20461 \| 3D'03: 6336 \| 3D'05: 2677 \| PC'04: 4605 \| PC'02: 7691,9092,1250

Nov 10, 2004, 07:01 AM	#30
CrapolaJola The Great DaK Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 317 Rep Power: 0	Here's a an eas yway for many free points. Install Win2k with DX8.1 (don't install DX9 gives lower scores). Then use the new tweak discovered by the guys over at XtremeSystems. Go into device manager and change your computer from ACPI Uniprocessor to ACPI Multiprocessor, apparently increases heatout at idle (load is about same), but it gives a very nice FPS boost in 2001. __________________ P2 X4 @ 3.6ghz, 4gb ddr3, SSD, 5870 @ 950/1250 + a 3ghz i5 lappy