Three issues : ]

threedeejay · Feb 24, 2003, 11:41 AM

Hello people

Congrulations for this great job

I noticed three issues with the latest version that Im not sure if they were bugs or just natural phenomenons : ]

First: in Cubase sx and nuendo VST outs 4/5 and 6/7 seems replaced in driver version 3529. I mean untill version 3529 I could use vst out 4/5 for front; 6/7 for rear and 8/9 for centre/sub normally, but now in 3529 I have to use VST outputs 8/9 to listen from rear speakers and 6/7 for centre/sub... Why is that?

Second: Front rear swap option in master mixer panel only swaps internal signals of the system like wave or midi but it doesnt swap the signals from mic or line inputs. As a result if I use SWAPPED settings I hear audio from Cubase etc from original rear (black colored out). If I want to record from line input into cubase via selecting this line-in in AC97 record puldown menu and also want to listen/monitor mic or CD inputs via unmuting them in AC97 panel I hear selected record input from original rear (black one) and else (unmuted cd or mic) from original front (green)...
Thus the only way to listen all audio from one pair of speakers (original front in this condition) is to disable swaping (using original front as front). Why that swap option doesn't swap all audio (all inputs) from front to rear or vice versa? Is this a usual case or an issue that I experienced here only?

Three: When I disconnect the AC97 left and right connections from prolog to routing and not connected else where (i.e. not connected to asio inputs of epilog for asio recording in cubase) I still can hear all audio from all inputs of AC97 like mic1 line in cd in and wave audio etc. Isn't that a bit of weird? I mean I expect not to hear anything depends on AC97 part of the board...

Best regards
ThreeDeeJay

PS: My system details are
Current skin: Brushed Aluminium
Skin Author: TheKezmiester
----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Dec 2 2002 02:41:11
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3528 - debug (I returned back to this)
DB Name:none
SB0102 5.1 [c000]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 80641102 ChipRev: 7
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9708
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6940] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [80]: -PCM surround DAC-
Port: c000 Irq: 14
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 8
Tank memory: 256 kb
----------------------------------------------------

Windows 2k amd xp 1700 512 mb ram

Max M. · Feb 24, 2003, 12:56 PM

1. This is kinda mistake of 29. I hope it will be corrected in 30.

2. Unmuting anything on ac97 page is just incorrect way. Generally (untill you need something special - and that's what that faders are there for) the only things you should use is "source" of ac97 and "ac97" faders on "ins'n'outs" and "recording" pages...
When you unmute any of ac97 inputs they just directly go to ac97 output (e.g. "front")
(and therefore cannot not be affected by any of dsp settings like "swap", routings etc.).

3. see 2.

/max

p.s. and why use "analog cd in"? - connect your cdrom either digitally or enable "digital cd playback" setting of the windows (so that windows will just grab data from cd via ide cable and play it like plain wave file).

>from all inputs of AC97 like mic1 line in cd in and wave audio etc
- "wave audio" is not input of ac97.

threedeejay · Feb 24, 2003, 02:49 PM

Many thanks for your immediate reply : ]

Maybe I have to give more details to explain why I unmute the line-in of AC97.
Here is the exact situation : ]

I use a midi keyboard (a Roland) to record midi data into cubase, thus I use this keyboard as midi input device in related channel of cubase (lets say midi channel 1) and I want to use same keyboard as midi out device (through midi uart out) because I prefer its sounds instead of soundfonts or any software synth. I connected this Roland's line outs to SBlive's line in to hear what I play (of course I can use headphones etc but that's not the point here).

If I want to record and/or listen midi data while recording audio via mic input simultanously I have to select mic from pulldown rec source of AC97 for audio and unmuting the mute button under line-in volume slider in AC97 panel to listen line in (that Roland) at the same time

Everythings OK till now.

But if I want to hear all audio from one pair of speakers (rear ones) because of the related output's superior audio quality??

Errr do I ask for too much ?

Can u recommend me a solution to use REAR (black) outputs to listen both line-input (monitor only) and mic-input (record and monitor) simultanously? Or is this technically impossible?

Best regards

Max M. · Feb 24, 2003, 03:28 PM

Or is this technically impossible? - yep, impossible... in that situation you should use "front" out as main and turn "swap" off...

(and "rear" dac quality is not important in that situation... just because:
1. the bad quality of line/mic ins of AC97 masks i2S dac quality.. 2. When you monitor ac97 inputs with ac97 output itself there's no ADC/DAC conversion perfomed to what you hear (all is done in analog...))

threedeejay · Feb 24, 2003, 03:31 PM

OK... Thanx again

Max M. · Feb 24, 2003, 03:35 PM

(you answer too fast

Feb 24, 2003, 11:41 AM	#1
threedeejay DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Three issues (Two solved One remaining) Hello people Congrulations for this great job I noticed three issues with the latest version that Im not sure if they were bugs or just natural phenomenons : ] First: in Cubase sx and nuendo VST outs 4/5 and 6/7 seems replaced in driver version 3529. I mean untill version 3529 I could use vst out 4/5 for front; 6/7 for rear and 8/9 for centre/sub normally, but now in 3529 I have to use VST outputs 8/9 to listen from rear speakers and 6/7 for centre/sub... Why is that? Second: Front rear swap option in master mixer panel only swaps internal signals of the system like wave or midi but it doesnt swap the signals from mic or line inputs. As a result if I use SWAPPED settings I hear audio from Cubase etc from original rear (black colored out). If I want to record from line input into cubase via selecting this line-in in AC97 record puldown menu and also want to listen/monitor mic or CD inputs via unmuting them in AC97 panel I hear selected record input from original rear (black one) and else (unmuted cd or mic) from original front (green)... Thus the only way to listen all audio from one pair of speakers (original front in this condition) is to disable swaping (using original front as front). Why that swap option doesn't swap all audio (all inputs) from front to rear or vice versa? Is this a usual case or an issue that I experienced here only? Three: When I disconnect the AC97 left and right connections from prolog to routing and not connected else where (i.e. not connected to asio inputs of epilog for asio recording in cubase) I still can hear all audio from all inputs of AC97 like mic1 line in cd in and wave audio etc. Isn't that a bit of weird? I mean I expect not to hear anything depends on AC97 part of the board... Best regards ThreeDeeJay PS: My system details are Current skin: Brushed Aluminium Skin Author: TheKezmiester ----Hardware / Software configuration--------------- Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug) Driver Date: Dec 2 2002 02:41:11 Driver Version: 5.10.00.3528 - debug (I returned back to this) DB Name:none SB0102 5.1 [c000] PCI Information: Device: 21102 Subsys: 80641102 ChipRev: 7 Card has MPU device Card model is '5.1' Card HAS AC97 codec Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9708 3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement Codec is 2.0 compliant Capabilities[6940] : DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit- Ext Capabilities [80]: -PCM surround DAC- Port: c000 Irq: 14 Playback buffer: 20a0 Record buffer: 4000 Number of AC3 buffers: 8 Tank memory: 256 kb ---------------------------------------------------- Windows 2k amd xp 1700 512 mb ram Last edited by threedeejay; Feb 24, 2003 at 03:24 PM.

Feb 24, 2003, 12:56 PM	#2
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	1. This is kinda mistake of 29. I hope it will be corrected in 30. 2. Unmuting anything on ac97 page is just incorrect way. Generally (untill you need something special - and that's what that faders are there for) the only things you should use is "source" of ac97 and "ac97" faders on "ins'n'outs" and "recording" pages... When you unmute any of ac97 inputs they just directly go to ac97 output (e.g. "front") (and therefore cannot not be affected by any of dsp settings like "swap", routings etc.). 3. see 2. /max p.s. and why use "analog cd in"? - connect your cdrom either digitally or enable "digital cd playback" setting of the windows (so that windows will just grab data from cd via ide cable and play it like plain wave file). >from all inputs of AC97 like mic1 line in cd in and wave audio etc - "wave audio" is not input of ac97. __________________

Feb 24, 2003, 03:28 PM	#4
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	Or is this technically impossible? - yep, impossible... in that situation you should use "front" out as main and turn "swap" off... (and "rear" dac quality is not important in that situation... just because: 1. the bad quality of line/mic ins of AC97 masks i2S dac quality.. 2. When you monitor ac97 inputs with ac97 output itself there's no ADC/DAC conversion perfomed to what you hear (all is done in analog...)) __________________ Last edited by Max M.; Feb 24, 2003 at 03:34 PM.

Feb 24, 2003, 03:35 PM	#6
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	(you answer too fast __________________

Feb 24, 2003, 02:49 PM	Thread Starter #3
threedeejay DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Many thanks for your immediate reply : ] Maybe I have to give more details to explain why I unmute the line-in of AC97. Here is the exact situation : ] I use a midi keyboard (a Roland) to record midi data into cubase, thus I use this keyboard as midi input device in related channel of cubase (lets say midi channel 1) and I want to use same keyboard as midi out device (through midi uart out) because I prefer its sounds instead of soundfonts or any software synth. I connected this Roland's line outs to SBlive's line in to hear what I play (of course I can use headphones etc but that's not the point here). If I want to record and/or listen midi data while recording audio via mic input simultanously I have to select mic from pulldown rec source of AC97 for audio and unmuting the mute button under line-in volume slider in AC97 panel to listen line in (that Roland) at the same time Everythings OK till now. But if I want to hear all audio from one pair of speakers (rear ones) because of the related output's superior audio quality?? Errr do I ask for too much ? Can u recommend me a solution to use REAR (black) outputs to listen both line-input (monitor only) and mic-input (record and monitor) simultanously? Or is this technically impossible? Best regards

Feb 24, 2003, 03:31 PM	Thread Starter #5
threedeejay DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	OK... Thanx again