3541 bug reports

imperia

I tested also with:
"ASIO test signal generator"
"ASIO latency test utility"

With the last one i select 48 Khz 1024 sample 21.33ms. The program first reported that my latency is around 60ms. Now when I rerun it to check the exact value it failed with "Cannot measure the latency. Please check your connections and verify if input/output levels match". Can you test with that freeware too? If it run first then restart it and try again. Maybe I should try 48khz in Traktor with some very high latency like >50ms. Or maybe I should alter the buffers in settings menu? I have succefully ran Traktor thru Ableton Live (ASIO multihost) with older versions when traktor worked before, with latencies like 10ms maximum.

I decided that the problem is in KX because I updated the driver not Traktor when it stopped working. I am not using other ASIO applications.

As for traktor demo. Does it crash at start? Does it let you try the DirectSound as output or you can't even reach that menu?

PS: I played a bit with the ASIO latency settings. With 128ms buffer i am able to play sound in Traktor. There are visual shuttering and UI lag, but the sound is perfect. That is at 48khz [2+2]. If I increase the buffer setting at 44khz to more than 128ms i got the same Visual shuttering and UI lag. At 44khz I can work at 10ms and even lower with any lag. I cannot try higher latencies at [8+8] or [16+16] because of "Error creating input buffer".

It has to be a problem with KX. and that's only at 48khz. And maybe only with Live cards. Or nobody else is using Traktor because nobody complains. And the problem appeared after 3538 L or M version(cant recall exactly).

PS2: Where can I read about the driver buffer settings? Are they related to ASIO buffers? Should I change them?

Russ

The tool seems to work fine for me (Live! 5.1 with WinXP) for anything up to 21.33 ms (48 kHz [16+16]). Measured (round trip) latency is approx. double of the kX setting (which is expected).

i.e.
2.00 ms = 3.98 ms round trip
4.00 ms = 8.04 ms round trip
...
21.33 ms = 42.65 ms round trip

Anything above 21.33 ms (when set to [16+16]) results in an error ("error creating input buffer"), otherwise (settings other than [16+16]) results are similar (i.e. double the kX setting). BTW: I could only test up to 170.67 ms (256.00 ms gives error, even at [2+2]).

If you are unable to get a measurement, try a lower input sensitivity setting. If you have a Live! 5.1, make sure that you account for the ASIO Mapping issue.

As for Traktor, it seems my CPU doesn't meet it's requirements... It would have been nice if the software detected that (or even better the installer) and gave notice instead of just crashing, but... whatever, I should have noticed that the requirements changed since the last time I tried.

As for the buffer settings, I have no idea, I have never needed to change anything there (other than Tank Memory size, which sets how much xTram is available for DSP). IIRC, these buffers are in the OS kernel, so if you mess with the settings too much, your system may become unstable (i.e. BSOD).

PrEzEs

There seems to be something wrong with the routing on the new drivers.
On 3539 everything seemed to work fine on my SB0400 (I mean 5.1 sound) but after uninstalling and upgrading to 3541 I only get 2.0 sound (the settings in the surrounder seemed to be ignored completely, only the 'mute' button worked in there).
I tryed the updated kx.sys driver version 3541b but this hasn't changed anything.
Only workaround that seemed to help it to mess up the routing to the xrouter :
"FxBus 4/5 to the top 2 pins of xrouting (instead of where it is currently connected)" that did the trick, but I think it's still a bug that needs correction.

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Russ

@PrEzEs,

You using Vista, right? Eugene has already commented about this issue here:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/bug-repo...bus-0-1-a.html

imperia

What's the ASIO Mapping issue?
Live 5.1 isn't CT4830, right?... I've got 4830, what's yours? I've also got 4620 but haven't tested it yet.
I've got a friend who runs Traktor succesfully on Pentium 3 733mhz. I guess your is not lower, so its something else.

the tool reported kinda high results:

for 8ms = 24ms
for 10ms = sometimes around 10ms. and 32ms

Russ

There is an issue with the center channel on Live! 5.1 models that effects ASIO channel numbering, etc.

Neither of those are 5.1 models (mine is SB0228), so the mapping issue shouldn't effect you.

My CPU is an Athlon Thunderbird 1300 MHz.

Are you connecting FxBus directly to ASIO on epilog?
Have you tried different sync methods in the ASIO Control Panel?

imperia

should be ok. but maybe it lacks SSE and stuff.

http://imperia.kicks-ass.net/KX/dsp_3541.jpg
that's my dsp. is it ok?

yes. except 10k2. but default should be ok anyway because at 44khz its working with most methods.


PS: same issue as joat's post here:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/bug-repo...ml#post1016170
at least i am not alone.

PS2: one more related thread:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-...nal-mixer.html

Russ

OK for what? Different configs are used for different purposes, so it depends on what you are using it for.

i.e. You cannot use that config for ASIO recording (or testing with the ASIO Latency Test Utility program), as you have no ASIO output from the DSP.

BTW: I tried the Traktor DJ Studio 2 Demo (v2.0.2 and v2.6.2.117) and it did work for me (ASIO at 44100 and 48000 with kX 3541).

imperia

I understand you now. Now when I connected all outs to ASIO in dsp it gives only stable results: like for 21.33ms = 42.63ms.

I am gonna download it now and check if it works for me.

Tyrsonswood

It is a bug, yet not because the idea is to use the new version and keep it there, All your work is greatly appretiated Eugene, but having switched some cards around between machines lately I've done several uninstalls of the whole 3541 package.

Two different P4 machines running windows XP (one home and one Pro, both SP2) both have had 3541 un-installed twice using the KX package un-installer and the start menus still reference the complete program and the drivers seem to still be there also, or so windows thinks, every time.

Other than the drivers, the software seems to be gone, but the start menus show like it's still there..... I've switched back to 3539 and unless I clean it up manually it looks like I have both packages installed at the same time. Of course Windows can't find 3541 but looks for quite some time... (stupid flashlight thingy )

To switch back to 3539 I have to go to control panel and uninstall the 3541 driver, (which has the Yellow "bang" next to it even tho' there's no "found new hardware" deal on reboot), before running the 3539 install to get it to take. My registry cleaner finds a bunch of stuff left behind too, all referenced to the KX project.

If it were just one machine I'd figure it was something else, but 2 machines and 4 un-installs..... it's got to be the 3541 package, 3539 never did this and 3537 was a clean un-install as well, so it's new.

As I said, it's no biggie, if you aren't going to remove it.

Joystick driver "bug" has already been mentioned, I get that also, so for now I'm good at 3539......
That's going to keep me busy enough and is rock solid

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bingmickey

Hi
I use windows xp sp2, audigy2 zs platinum pro and kx 3538. When I try to install 3541, the program can not recongnize my soundcard correctly, the program thinks its a another card, maybe a notebook soundcard, so I can not continue.
My pc is dell xps 700.

Russ

@bingmickey
What is the specific error message that you get when trying to install?
Did you fully remove 3538 before installing 3541?

SPYRO

ASIO is still giving problems here.

Now it works, but emits a nasty sound from ASIO outs 0 and 1, I can test this by going to the ASIO routing and lowering the 0 and 1 sliders. Directsound still plays, so I'm not talking about that overall nasty sound I got in the past. This is only related to ASIO.

I'm on a CrossHair Mobo (nforce 590 Sli)- 4GB RAM - AMD64x2 6000+ - Audigy plat Ex

zaboomafoo

When I try to install 3541 on w2k I get "cannot run kxsetup" error form the installer. When I try to run kxsetup from the windows explorer I get "invalid windows file" error. I downloaded 3541 from the kx site, am I missing something? is this version compatible with w2k? 3538m installed fine on this computer.

Regards,
Frank

Russ

Eugene spoke about this in the 3540 Released thread:

zaboomafoo

Too bad ... I guess I will be stuck with 3538m version since I don't have XP ... Just started building a dedicated computer which will be used for recording and KX is a big part of it.

Frank

fn123

my computer use audigy 2zs notebook and kx3541 in vista,it usually comes no sound suddenly,and it will come allright after reboot the computer. Could you help me please? I really love this sound from KX.

fn123

after that I find a new problem.the soundcard will stop making sound when finished foobar's playlist,and all program can't make sound.reboot the computer it can make sound again.could i restart the windows service to resovle the problem?Which service should be restart when it can't make sound. thamk you .

TravelRec.

The same problem I have somtimes with WinAmp - sound is stopping at all or beeps appear instead of sound.

As a workaround you can close kX-Mixer, then remove the soundcard safely, replug it and after complete re-integration in windows launch kX-Mixer. So you don´t have to reboot the computer.

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Vadim_K

KX 3541 doesn't work on Vista when more than 2GB RAM is installed. Doesn't work until removing the RAM modules till 2GB summary. Tested on two different motherboards with SBLive.

fn123

yeah,I have found this method,but it might damage the sound card repluged frequently. sometime it doesn't make sound just ten seconds after repluged.

octave

TravelRec, fn123:
Are you saying you are removing a PCI card with the system powered on ??!!



I would expect it (and the motherboard more importantly) to burn on the spot. What about disabling it in Device Manager, for example?

I had the sound disappearing sometimes with 3538m after the display was in power saving mode, so I disabled this in screensaver settings. Later I moved the card to another PC.

Maddogg6

Im pretty sure they were talking about the NOTEBOOK version of an A2 - no PCI slots for those.

TravelRec.

Yes, I speak about the ZS2NB, not a real PCI-Audigy! I don´t pull PCI cards out while the PC is running - I´m not crazy

The damaging of pulling out the PCMCIA card frequently, is relatively improbable due to the good mechanical design of the PCMCIA-slot and the card itself. I hope the "stopping sound" issue can be fixed one day.

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Eugene Gavrilov

why don't you just enable/disable it in the device manager? : )
[unload kxmixer, disable, re-enable, launch kxmixer --startup]

I experienced this problem for a very long time. I usually followed the following steps (perform the next step only the previous one did not fix the problem):

1. Run MIDI file for 10-20 seconds (with a lot of notes)
2. In WinAmp, open any MP3 and quickly move the audio pointer [in 'kX Voice Analyzer' you will see that the voices are shifting to the right]
3. Close any audio applications, type 'kxctrl -reset'
4. Disable/Enable device in the DevMan (unload kX Mixer first!)
5. Reboot

E.

scegg

OS: Vista SP1 Ultimate x64 (I dont want to disable UAC)
HW: AMD5000BE, 4G, Audigy 2 ZS

All functions listed can be used in Creative diver.

1 Install 3541, no error.
2 Play sound, no error.
3 VU Meter is always low with some noise while playing music or not. Yes, no matter whether playing or not, the VU Meter is always low.
4 Record wave from Mic / Line-in: no sound recorded.
5 While I say something to Mic, I can see the VU Meter changed to high level. But nothing can be recorded by my application.

As I think, after using 3541, there are 2 sound card installed. One for Vista, just can play music. One for KX, just can record. I cannot play something using the KX card as well as I cannot record from it. And I'm sure that I only have one sound card working, all others are disabled (HDMI from my video card and a chip from my motherboard).

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TravelRec.

This does not work each time. Reboot works ever, but it´s a hassle with a slower computer... Do you have an idea how this issue happens (pcmcia-controller or card/driver failure?!).

Greetings!
TravelRec

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j0yr3x

the same problem here! on xp sp2.. started foobar, firefox & then big BLEEP!! no need to reset pc/close kx mixer.. just remove card and put it back, this works fine for me

SithBoxer

I am also experiencing this 'beep' problem. I have a SB0222 (using only digital out), WinXP SP2. It happens when i abruptly stop an audio stream or exit WoW or StarCraft (not every time - just random). I have been having to uninstall the kX driver/soundcard in devman and then reboot and let windows reinstall drivers then start up kxmixer again to get sound back. Is there any possible way you could fix this?

Also, Is anybody aware of SB0222 drivers that actually work in XP SP2? If i had a working driver to use i would just use that, nothing i can find by creative works solidly- BSOD and instability. Honestly though, I would prefer to use kX but this drives me absolutely nuts when it happens.

bulkas

vista sp1
sb222

when i use 4gb ram driver 3541 doesnt work! when 2gb its work !
sorry for bad english )

system c2d, p5k pro, 4gb ram, sb222