kX Synths SENDS broken

Maddogg6 · Jul 20, 2008, 04:12 AM

In kX V 3538M - the Sends for A2 cards (Sends F-H, Midi CC# 16-20 respectively) Were usable - in that the kX router could be configured so that a CC value of 0 (no send level) would be un-heard, maybe a slight amount would get through) - and a value of 127 was pronounced enough.

Now in 3543 - a setting in kX router for Send E, a setting of 0x02 is dead with a CC value of 127 (nothing coming out of FXBuss for that send - and setting to 0x03 - with a CC value of 0 - you can hear, and see a significant level from its respective FXBuss. Thus, no longer 'usable' - does anyone know if this change was known to be a break in this function?

Any hope of it being repaired?

Anyone know what last version of kX this was working in? (I was using V3538M until testing V3543)

Thanks in advance.

Russ · Jul 22, 2008, 05:39 PM

Just out of curiosity, when you say "a setting of 0x02", etc, where are you getting those numbers from? The sliders in kxrouter (sends A-D) with my 10k1 card do not display any specific value at all...

Also, have you tried with the different Fxbus plugins (in case the change is related to new FxBusX code, etc)?

Does it make any difference if you choose a different FxBus for Send E (possible workaround?)?

Maddogg6 · Jul 23, 2008, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

Just out of curiosity, when you say "a setting of 0x02", etc, where are you getting those numbers from? The sliders in kxrouter (sends A-D) with my 10k1 card do not display any specific value at all...

I save settings in kX Router - and edit the file in a text editor:

Code:

[amount]
amount=0x0 'wave 0/1 Send C
amount_1=0x0 'wave 0/1 Send D
amount_2=0x0 'wave 0/1 Send E
amount_3=0x0 'wave 0/1 Send F
amount_4=0x0 'wave 0/1 Send G
amount_5=0x0 'wave 0/1 Send H
amount_6=0xff 'kX Synth Send C
amount_7=0xff 'kX Synth Send D
amount_8=0x0 'kX Synth Send E - Set to 0x02 / 0x03
amount_9=0x0 'kX Synth Send F - Set to 0x02 / 0x03
amount_10=0x0 'kX Synth Send G - Set to 0x02 / 0x03
amount_11=0x0 'kX Synth Send H - Set to 0x02 / 0x03

The " ' comments - are added here for illustration purpose"

Quote:

Also, have you tried with the different Fxbus plugins (in case the change is related to new FxBusX code, etc)?

I tried FXBusX (defaults to FXBus btw) - and no kX synth sound comes out at all, tho, now that I type this, I should have tried re-changing kX router after switching those plugins.. ?? . The other, fXBuss2, is to access FXBuss 32-63 - So I didnt figure it significant, but I will try using higher FXBus' for Synths and Sends.

Quote:

Does it make any difference if you choose a different FxBus for Send E (possible workaround?)?

Actually - defaults are using FXBuss 63 for all sends E-H, and I changed to FXB 20 - 23, but no I didn't try others yet.

I'll play around some more with it and see what I find. Thanks for the ideas.

Russ · Jul 23, 2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

I save settings in kX Router - and edit the file in a text editor:

OK, I thought that was probably the case but was not sure...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

(defaults to FXBus btw)

Ahh, OK, for some reason I thought it defaulted to FxBusX... Thanks for the info...

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Jul 28, 2008, 08:35 AM

for 10k2 cards, send amount is non-linear, while for 10k1 cards it is linear
the form of the curve is not perfect (although it should follow logarithmic function)
In 354x I changed the array used for calculating send amounts, so, this might be the cause
--
please note that since 3544 you won't be able to change send amounts for anything but Synth
--
'significant level': what is the level?

E.

Maddogg6 · Aug 4, 2008, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eugene Gavrilov

for 10k2 cards, send amount is non-linear, while for 10k1 cards it is linear
the form of the curve is not perfect (although it should follow logarithmic function)
In 354x I changed the array used for calculating send amounts, so, this might be the cause
--
please note that since 3544 you won't be able to change send amounts for anything but Synth
--
'significant level': what is the level?

E.

Sorry, I missed the reply here...
OK - the change was fairly obvious to me.
'signficant' was described as 'audible' tho I didn't measure actual level with a constant waveform SF2 instrument (comping sounds makes hearing the leak easier, I found, because of the leakage, the leakage didn't bother me until I could hear the leakage - does that make sense??)

from memory - it was about -40 db with CC set to 0 and Send X set to 0x3.

But mostly the point was - is it goes from nothing with 0x2, to too much when set to 0x3 - so it seems this logarithmic curve at the low end doesn't allow a fine enough adjustment to be usable.

I'll have to re-test with 3544a, after I customize the router for these sends.

Maddogg6 · Aug 7, 2008, 03:36 AM

Ok - I tested more - and even a kX router setting for Send E-H of 0x0 - now...

CC#16 = 0 yields infinite out on FXBuss 16 (set for Send E)

But I swear - this wasnt the case when I first posted this... maybe changes fixed it, or was a fluke on my equipment here?? (no I wasnt drunk before

)

So... its all good now in any case.

Jul 22, 2008, 05:39 PM	#2
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Just out of curiosity, when you say "a setting of 0x02", etc, where are you getting those numbers from? The sliders in kxrouter (sends A-D) with my 10k1 card do not display any specific value at all... Also, have you tried with the different Fxbus plugins (in case the change is related to new FxBusX code, etc)? Does it make any difference if you choose a different FxBus for Send E (possible workaround?)? Last edited by Russ; Jul 22, 2008 at 05:46 PM.

Jul 20, 2008, 04:12 AM	#1
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 50	kX Synths SENDS broken In kX V 3538M - the Sends for A2 cards (Sends F-H, Midi CC# 16-20 respectively) Were usable - in that the kX router could be configured so that a CC value of 0 (no send level) would be un-heard, maybe a slight amount would get through) - and a value of 127 was pronounced enough. Now in 3543 - a setting in kX router for Send E, a setting of 0x02 is dead with a CC value of 127 (nothing coming out of FXBuss for that send - and setting to 0x03 - with a CC value of 0 - you can hear, and see a significant level from its respective FXBuss. Thus, no longer 'usable' - does anyone know if this change was known to be a break in this function? Any hope of it being repaired? Anyone know what last version of kX this was working in? (I was using V3538M until testing V3543) Thanks in advance. Last edited by Maddogg6; Jul 20, 2008 at 05:28 AM. Reason: fixed typo

Jul 28, 2008, 08:35 AM	#5
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,106 Rep Power: 73	for 10k2 cards, send amount is non-linear, while for 10k1 cards it is linear the form of the curve is not perfect (although it should follow logarithmic function) In 354x I changed the array used for calculating send amounts, so, this might be the cause -- please note that since 3544 you won't be able to change send amounts for anything but Synth -- 'significant level': what is the level? E.

Aug 7, 2008, 03:36 AM	Thread Starter #7
Maddogg6 Tail Razer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Bernyurass, AZ - USA Posts: 4,027 Rep Power: 50	Ok - I tested more - and even a kX router setting for Send E-H of 0x0 - now... CC#16 = 0 yields infinite out on FXBuss 16 (set for Send E) But I swear - this wasnt the case when I first posted this... maybe changes fixed it, or was a fluke on my equipment here?? (no I wasnt drunk before ) So... its all good now in any case.