"Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830

emerge · Aug 8, 2009, 09:49 PM

Digital Output Only won't turn off, no matter how many times I reboot, reinstall, or fiddle with settings.

Under Linux all works great.

Other peoples have same problems , http://www.gamingheaven.net/general-...x-drivers.html for example.
Please help!

Russ · Aug 8, 2009, 10:13 PM

What OS? It may be an OS specific thing...

I am not using 3541, but I do not recall having any such issues when I did, and I am not having any such problem now with 3548 x86 (or any version that I have used since 3537) on WinXP, with either of my cards.
(SB Live! 5.1 - SB0228, Audigy - SB0090)

BTW: You can change the setting using kX Console:

To find out what the current setting is (0 is disabled, 1 is enabled):
ghw 0

To disable DOO:
shw 0 0

To enable DOO:
shw 0 1

emerge · Aug 8, 2009, 10:35 PM

My OS is WinXP sp3. All be ok many time but two mouth ago this is broke and already broken.
I think reinstall windows will fix this problem, but now i havent time for it.

Also now i update kx to latest 3548 build and have same issue.
Screenshot of kxctrl output attached.

Russ · Aug 8, 2009, 10:46 PM

Hmm, interesting...

Try:
sfn0 14 211
ghw 0

edit:
(this may not be exactly right for your card, I probably should have had you read the value first (gfn0 14) to see what it is currently set to... anyway, a 'Reset Device Settings' should reset it (speaking of... have you tried that?))

emerge · Aug 8, 2009, 11:07 PM

No success =(
See attach.

Russ · Aug 8, 2009, 11:34 PM

Hmm, I wonder why it went to 0xffffffff?

Anyway, I should have had you read the value first...
A reboot should set it back to a normal setting (with DOO On).
Bit 14 (0x1000) is the DOO toggle.

(e.g. My SB0228 toggles between 0x1211 (DOO On) and 0x211 (DOO Off). I think your card has the I2S codec, so it may have some other bits (related to that) set as well (but toggling bit 14 (i.e. value XOR 0x1000) should toggle DOO On and Off)).

emerge · Aug 9, 2009, 12:00 AM

Fn0[reg=14]=ffffffff just after reboot.

Russ · Aug 9, 2009, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emerge

Fn0[reg=14]=ffffffff just after reboot.

Strange, maybe that is the problem... Maybe kX is unable to write to that register.

I tried setting mine to 0xffffffff to see what it would do, and rebooting did reset it back to 0x1211.

Have you tried re-seating the card in the PCI Slot?

[EDIT]
Hmm, wait a sec, isn't a CT4830 a Live! Value, not Live! 5.1? Why would a non-5.1 card need a DOO switch?

emerge · Aug 9, 2009, 12:20 AM

Model name placed into topic.
This is SB Live! Value or something.

Moving card to other slot didnt solve problem.

Max M. · Aug 9, 2009, 12:22 AM

CT483x (i had one) models are 4.0 - they do not have "doo" switch (as there's no combined analog/digital output).
kX should not show the "doo" button for this Live! family (so if it does - this is a sort of bug).
P.S. Btw. what is the effect of the "doo" being on in your case? does it really affect anything?

Russ · Aug 9, 2009, 12:27 AM

The other thread was speaking about a Live! 5.1, so I thought that is what you had (sorry for any confusion).

DOO mode is necessary on 5.1 cards because the the digital out jack is used for both analog and digital output. You cannot use both at the same time, so DOO mode is used to switch between them. I am not sure why a card that does not have a shared jack like this would need a DOO switch. Are you sure that switch ever actually did anything with your card?

[EDIT]
Just saw Max's reply... So, that explains it, your card does not use DOO, and kX is just incorrectly showing it.

Again, sorry for any confusion (between the other thread, and because it is about DOO mode, I thought you had a 5.1 card).

Max M. · Aug 9, 2009, 12:38 AM

Yeah. Either way - that really is a bug (minor one if it affects nothing) - it wasn't in old kX versions - so it's something that had changed somewhen with the Live! detection/dispatch code (so who knows what other issues can arise).
So it would be probably useful to find out what version did this actually happen at.

Russ · Aug 9, 2009, 12:43 AM

It is probably just a skin issue, no? My SB0228 also shows options that the card does not support (i.e. a (non-functional) I2S switch on the AC97 page, plus all the Live! Drive inputs, etc, which my card does not support (I always figured such things were normal with kX)).

Max M. · Aug 9, 2009, 01:10 AM

hehe, yep, well, a sort of - some "non existing" features are useful to be shown (such as as Live Drive "inputs" as they still can be accessed w/o LiveDrive - so this was an explicit intention to show them). The others could be confusing - for the DOO i remember it was a proper code handling it something like "if (live && 5.1) show doo" or so... Not sure about "I2S" switch (but i suspect it should be "if (k2 && p16v (or whatever "A2")) ...).
So looks like there're a lot of issues like this (yeah, i guess it's in skin definition files - so.. hmm, looks like that came with one of major "skin files syntax" rewrite).
Of course, the problem is that it's not too many "rare" model users out there - and it's quite hard to handle it proper when you are not sure what model has what features (i think E. just lost his pocket-book where he had stuff like that written down

).
Unfortunately stuff like this is what's making many people to consider kX being buggy and poor written.

Russ · Aug 9, 2009, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max M.

hehe, yep, well, a sort of - some "non existing" features are useful to be shown (such as as Live Drive "inputs" as they still can be accessed w/o LiveDrive

Well, my card does not support the Live! Drive at all (no header, no place for the header to be, etc), but I understand what you are saying (and it is probably not something that can be detected, so E. would probably need some list for each and every model, for that type of thing).

Quote:

Unfortunately stuff like this is what's making many people to consider kX being buggy and poor written.

Yeah, it has been that way with my card since I started using kX, so I just figured it was normal, and never mentioned it (but it was confusing at first, wondering what these things were supposed to do).

Max M. · Aug 9, 2009, 01:17 AM

>Well, my card does not support the Live! Drive at all

Hehe, i know - but you still can access them by soldering right to emu10k1 pins!

emerge · Aug 9, 2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

It is probably just a skin issue, no?

I think, no, cause now i have no sound at all and even flash with sound wont working more than 3-4 seconds - after that it just stop.

Permanently enebled DOO and "S/PDIF Bypass" its just a symptom that I dont see before.

Russ · Aug 9, 2009, 01:03 PM

Well DOO is supposed to mute the analog outputs, so I suppose that because kX thinks it is enabled, it may be causing other problems. But you said this all worked fine (with kX?) up until about 2 months ago? Do you remember doing anything in particular right before the problem started (e.g. maybe install a different version of kX)?

When you installed 3548, did you uninstall 3541 first?

Check Device Manager in safe mode for any strange entries under Sound, Video, and Game Controllers.

Maybe try an older version of kX (like 3539 or 3538m).

Beyond that, have you done the normal basic trouble shooting (i.e. Virus scan, etc)?

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Aug 20, 2009, 12:46 AM

'DOO' mode is enabled/disabled by the kernel-level driver, not the skin
if I'm not mistaken, i2s switch on the ac97 page is not controllable and is always shown for cards with ac97

I guess 'DOO' mode should be hidden by the kx.sys for this particular card/model, provided everything else works fine

E.

Russ · Sep 6, 2009, 08:18 PM

I think only 5.1 models (i.e. Live! 5.1 and Audigy) use the shared analog/digital output jack, so shouldn't DOO be hidden for all other models?

Aug 8, 2009, 09:49 PM	#1
emerge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	"Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Digital Output Only won't turn off, no matter how many times I reboot, reinstall, or fiddle with settings. Under Linux all works great. Other peoples have same problems , http://www.gamingheaven.net/general-...x-drivers.html for example. Please help!

Aug 8, 2009, 10:13 PM	#2
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 What OS? It may be an OS specific thing... I am not using 3541, but I do not recall having any such issues when I did, and I am not having any such problem now with 3548 x86 (or any version that I have used since 3537) on WinXP, with either of my cards. (SB Live! 5.1 - SB0228, Audigy - SB0090) BTW: You can change the setting using kX Console: To find out what the current setting is (0 is disabled, 1 is enabled): ghw 0 To disable DOO: shw 0 0 To enable DOO: shw 0 1

Aug 8, 2009, 10:35 PM	Thread Starter #3
emerge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 My OS is WinXP sp3. All be ok many time but two mouth ago this is broke and already broken. I think reinstall windows will fix this problem, but now i havent time for it. Also now i update kx to latest 3548 build and have same issue. Screenshot of kxctrl output attached. Attached Thumbnails

Aug 8, 2009, 10:46 PM	#4
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Hmm, interesting... Try: sfn0 14 211 ghw 0 edit: (this may not be exactly right for your card, I probably should have had you read the value first (gfn0 14) to see what it is currently set to... anyway, a 'Reset Device Settings' should reset it (speaking of... have you tried that?)) Last edited by Russ; Aug 8, 2009 at 11:07 PM.

Aug 8, 2009, 11:07 PM	Thread Starter #5
emerge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 No success =( See attach. Attached Thumbnails

Aug 8, 2009, 11:34 PM	#6
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Hmm, I wonder why it went to 0xffffffff? Anyway, I should have had you read the value first... A reboot should set it back to a normal setting (with DOO On). Bit 14 (0x1000) is the DOO toggle. (e.g. My SB0228 toggles between 0x1211 (DOO On) and 0x211 (DOO Off). I think your card has the I2S codec, so it may have some other bits (related to that) set as well (but toggling bit 14 (i.e. value XOR 0x1000) should toggle DOO On and Off)). Last edited by Russ; Aug 8, 2009 at 11:42 PM.

Aug 9, 2009, 12:00 AM	Thread Starter #7
emerge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Fn0[reg=14]=ffffffff just after reboot.

Aug 9, 2009, 12:20 AM	Thread Starter #9
emerge DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Model name placed into topic. This is SB Live! Value or something. Moving card to other slot didnt solve problem.

Aug 9, 2009, 12:22 AM	#10
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	Îòâåò: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 CT483x (i had one) models are 4.0 - they do not have "doo" switch (as there's no combined analog/digital output). kX should not show the "doo" button for this Live! family (so if it does - this is a sort of bug). P.S. Btw. what is the effect of the "doo" being on in your case? does it really affect anything? __________________

Aug 9, 2009, 12:27 AM	#11
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 The other thread was speaking about a Live! 5.1, so I thought that is what you had (sorry for any confusion). DOO mode is necessary on 5.1 cards because the the digital out jack is used for both analog and digital output. You cannot use both at the same time, so DOO mode is used to switch between them. I am not sure why a card that does not have a shared jack like this would need a DOO switch. Are you sure that switch ever actually did anything with your card? [EDIT] Just saw Max's reply... So, that explains it, your card does not use DOO, and kX is just incorrectly showing it. Again, sorry for any confusion (between the other thread, and because it is about DOO mode, I thought you had a 5.1 card). Last edited by Russ; Aug 9, 2009 at 01:01 AM.

Aug 9, 2009, 12:38 AM	#12
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	Îòâåò: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Yeah. Either way - that really is a bug (minor one if it affects nothing) - it wasn't in old kX versions - so it's something that had changed somewhen with the Live! detection/dispatch code (so who knows what other issues can arise). So it would be probably useful to find out what version did this actually happen at. __________________

Aug 9, 2009, 12:43 AM	#13
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 It is probably just a skin issue, no? My SB0228 also shows options that the card does not support (i.e. a (non-functional) I2S switch on the AC97 page, plus all the Live! Drive inputs, etc, which my card does not support (I always figured such things were normal with kX)).

Aug 9, 2009, 01:10 AM	#14
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	Îòâåò: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 hehe, yep, well, a sort of - some "non existing" features are useful to be shown (such as as Live Drive "inputs" as they still can be accessed w/o LiveDrive - so this was an explicit intention to show them). The others could be confusing - for the DOO i remember it was a proper code handling it something like "if (live && 5.1) show doo" or so... Not sure about "I2S" switch (but i suspect it should be "if (k2 && p16v (or whatever "A2")) ...). So looks like there're a lot of issues like this (yeah, i guess it's in skin definition files - so.. hmm, looks like that came with one of major "skin files syntax" rewrite). Of course, the problem is that it's not too many "rare" model users out there - and it's quite hard to handle it proper when you are not sure what model has what features (i think E. just lost his pocket-book where he had stuff like that written down ). Unfortunately stuff like this is what's making many people to consider kX being buggy and poor written. __________________

Aug 9, 2009, 01:17 AM	#16
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,606 Rep Power: 66	Îòâåò: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 >Well, my card does not support the Live! Drive at all Hehe, i know - but you still can access them by soldering right to emu10k1 pins! __________________

Aug 9, 2009, 01:03 PM	#18
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 Well DOO is supposed to mute the analog outputs, so I suppose that because kX thinks it is enabled, it may be causing other problems. But you said this all worked fine (with kX?) up until about 2 months ago? Do you remember doing anything in particular right before the problem started (e.g. maybe install a different version of kX)? When you installed 3548, did you uninstall 3541 first? Check Device Manager in safe mode for any strange entries under Sound, Video, and Game Controllers. Maybe try an older version of kX (like 3539 or 3538m). Beyond that, have you done the normal basic trouble shooting (i.e. Virus scan, etc)? Last edited by Russ; Aug 11, 2009 at 03:26 AM.

Aug 20, 2009, 12:46 AM	#19
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,106 Rep Power: 73	Îòâåò: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 'DOO' mode is enabled/disabled by the kernel-level driver, not the skin if I'm not mistaken, i2s switch on the ac97 page is not controllable and is always shown for cards with ac97 I guess 'DOO' mode should be hidden by the kx.sys for this particular card/model, provided everything else works fine E.

Sep 6, 2009, 08:18 PM	#20
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Re: "Digital output only" won't turn off ! 3541 CT4830 I think only 5.1 models (i.e. Live! 5.1 and Audigy) use the shared analog/digital output jack, so shouldn't DOO be hidden for all other models?