soundfonts don't play correctly

gort · Apr 16, 2004, 04:00 PM

I'm delighted with the latency, VST-instruments now seem to play back quicker than Soundfonts used to with Creative's drivers. But there's a problem - all my Soundfonts seem to be at maximum treble, there's no frequency cut-off in any of them, and filters in the Soundfonts don't seem to be recognised. Is this just me having problems and I need to tick a box, or is this something which was outside the design objectives of kx? For instance, "Very Mellow Piano" sounds identical to "Very Bright Piano", and equally bright and trebley.
Also I suspect (not sure) that the individual layers are all playing at max volume, rather than being different volumes like they were set at.
I've had to take the kx drivers off, but I'd love to be able to use kx drivers for both VST-i and Soundfonts, so I hope someone can let me know what's going wrong.

BiCho · Apr 16, 2004, 05:58 PM

right-click kx icon in the taskbar and go to settings -> synth compatibility... try changing these.

cjber · Apr 23, 2004, 06:20 AM

what is the use of each option of "synth compatibility"?

**dj_stick** · Apr 23, 2004, 07:31 AM

it shows the compatibility options of the SF synths, whether those MIDI controllers have any effect on the synth

gort · Apr 23, 2004, 02:54 PM

I re-installed kx and did what you suggested, BiCho, but it hasn't made any difference. So I put some SoundFonts into Vienna, and it seems that single layered Soundfonts, (or the first layer in them,) play OK, maybe a little brighter than normal - but OK. But lower layers seem to be unable to read the Filter Cutoff in "Modulation Envelope" right, or if at all. Typically this slider has no effect from +24000 to -24000 and all points in between, (whereas with Creative's drivers there's a big change) and I think it's these lower layers that are making the sounds really bright, it's the moving filter effects towards a low cut-off that are being lost and replaced with a moving filter towards lots of brightness. Gort

BiCho · Apr 23, 2004, 06:12 PM

i'll try with a couple of soundfonts this weekend to check what you're saying. are you the same who did "gort's collection" of soundofnts? do those have multiple layers so i can try them on kX?

cjber · Apr 23, 2004, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dj_stick
it shows the compatibility options of the SF synths, whether those MIDI controllers have any effect on the synth

I was refering to the meaning of each option. I couldn't find documentation for it.

**dj_stick** · Apr 24, 2004, 01:50 AM

each option is a type of midi control valueâ€¦ if kX doesn;t have documentation a google search should find something

NightBreed · Apr 24, 2004, 07:51 AM

I think from what I've been reading so far, that the Modulation Envelope is still under contruction as far as the kx drivers are concerned. There's still some work going into the soundfont portion of kx.

gort · Apr 24, 2004, 02:42 PM

Hiya BiCho, yes I'm the same gort that did the "Gort's Synth" stuff - but they were done on an old SB-Live and some of the loops which were fine on old SB-Lives are wrong on newer SB-Lives. I've just updated them (got a new machine a couple of weeks ago) so they all now loop OK but only on my machine, and I'll try and send you an updated SoundFont where all the loops are OK, and indicate a sound/voice to try out. Many of the sounds do have multiple layers, but the lower layers don't always have Cut-Off. I think what NightBreed is saying may offer an explanation for what's happening. P.S. if you can think of a good site to post the SFont updates, then I'll send them there.

Apr 16, 2004, 04:00 PM	#1
gort DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: yorkshire Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	soundfonts don't play correctly I'm delighted with the latency, VST-instruments now seem to play back quicker than Soundfonts used to with Creative's drivers. But there's a problem - all my Soundfonts seem to be at maximum treble, there's no frequency cut-off in any of them, and filters in the Soundfonts don't seem to be recognised. Is this just me having problems and I need to tick a box, or is this something which was outside the design objectives of kx? For instance, "Very Mellow Piano" sounds identical to "Very Bright Piano", and equally bright and trebley. Also I suspect (not sure) that the individual layers are all playing at max volume, rather than being different volumes like they were set at. I've had to take the kx drivers off, but I'd love to be able to use kx drivers for both VST-i and Soundfonts, so I hope someone can let me know what's going wrong.

Apr 16, 2004, 05:58 PM	#2
BiCho Audiotecna- Representante Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bogota, Colombia Posts: 173 Rep Power: 0	right-click kx icon in the taskbar and go to settings -> synth compatibility... try changing these. __________________ Audiotecna - Innovación Musical Distribuidora oficial de Ortofon DJ, Native Instruments and Moog Music para Colombia (1)8073934

Apr 23, 2004, 02:54 PM	Thread Starter #5
gort DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: yorkshire Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	soundfonts don't play correctly I re-installed kx and did what you suggested, BiCho, but it hasn't made any difference. So I put some SoundFonts into Vienna, and it seems that single layered Soundfonts, (or the first layer in them,) play OK, maybe a little brighter than normal - but OK. But lower layers seem to be unable to read the Filter Cutoff in "Modulation Envelope" right, or if at all. Typically this slider has no effect from +24000 to -24000 and all points in between, (whereas with Creative's drivers there's a big change) and I think it's these lower layers that are making the sounds really bright, it's the moving filter effects towards a low cut-off that are being lost and replaced with a moving filter towards lots of brightness. Gort

Apr 23, 2004, 06:12 PM	#6
BiCho Audiotecna- Representante Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Bogota, Colombia Posts: 173 Rep Power: 0	i'll try with a couple of soundfonts this weekend to check what you're saying. are you the same who did "gort's collection" of soundofnts? do those have multiple layers so i can try them on kX? __________________ Audiotecna - Innovación Musical Distribuidora oficial de Ortofon DJ, Native Instruments and Moog Music para Colombia (1)8073934

Apr 24, 2004, 02:42 PM	Thread Starter #10
gort DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: yorkshire Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	soundfont layers Hiya BiCho, yes I'm the same gort that did the "Gort's Synth" stuff - but they were done on an old SB-Live and some of the loops which were fine on old SB-Lives are wrong on newer SB-Lives. I've just updated them (got a new machine a couple of weeks ago) so they all now loop OK but only on my machine, and I'll try and send you an updated SoundFont where all the loops are OK, and indicate a sound/voice to try out. Many of the sounds do have multiple layers, but the lower layers don't always have Cut-Off. I think what NightBreed is saying may offer an explanation for what's happening. P.S. if you can think of a good site to post the SFont updates, then I'll send them there.

Apr 23, 2004, 06:20 AM	#3
cjber DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cali, Col. Posts: 14 Rep Power: 0	what is the use of each option of "synth compatibility"?

Apr 24, 2004, 07:51 AM	#9
NightBreed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 380 Rep Power: 0	I think from what I've been reading so far, that the Modulation Envelope is still under contruction as far as the kx drivers are concerned. There's still some work going into the soundfont portion of kx.