Sb0220 no Rear Sound

LibertyCabbage

Thanks for the quick replies, hopefully someone will be able to help me with the older ac97.

I'll show what I'm doing step by step and maybe you can pinpoint what I'm doing wrong.

1) Open kx Mixer.

2) Open Surround settings and set it to 5.1 Move Mode and save settings.

3) Run kxctrl --gui

4) I type sptr 5f 0 33 then I hit enter. It says wrote PTR: reg=5f ch=0 val=33

5) Then I type gptr 5f 0 then I hit enter. It says PTR[reg=5f; ch=0]=33

6) Then, with kxctrl still open, I run the kx DSP.

7) I insert the kxepiloglt_k1 box.

8) I disconnect Out8 and Out9 from the epilog box.

9) I connect the sL from the surrounder to the Out13 of the kxepiloglt_k1. Then I connect the sR from the surrounder to the Out14 of the kxepiloglt_k1.

10) I save the settings as kxdefault and in the Save/Restore settings box I click the checkmark with the default DSP, Version Ind., and Card Ind. checked.

11) I run Speaker Test.

12) I get sound from the Front Left and Front Right speakers.

13) I do not get any sound when I click the Center, Left Rear, Right Rear, or Subwoofer.

14) I close Speaker Test and go back to the kxctrl window which still has the sptr and gptr writings on it.

15) I type sac97 36 0 then I hit enter. It says wrote AC97: reg=36 val=0

16) I type sac97 38 0 then I hit enter. It says wrote AC97: reg=38 val=0

17) I run speaker test again and I get front left and front right sound but no center, left rear, or right rear. When I click the subwoofer nothing happens either.

18) With the kxctrl still open I type in sac97 64 d606 and hit enter. It says wrote AC97: reg=64 val=d606

19) Then I do Speaker Test again but still only the Left Front and Right Front speakers give sound.

20) I checked the plug and yes it is in the Rear Output space

Hopefully I did something wrong here that someone can point out.... thanks in advance for your help.

pzad

Don't do this, your problem is diffrent. (I don't know where, but is diffrent). You have old sb live. Your sb live should work with current drivers. On new sb live center/lfe is working, only rear is missing., this is not your case.

LibertyCabbage

I had the Creative drivers and I didn't get rear or center sound. Are you sure kX isn't required to get that sound? It could be the speakers but it seems others are having similar problems (no rear or center) so I don't know. Maybe someone else knows more about the old version I have. If you're sure that it should work with the creative drivers then could you detail how to set it up for 5.1 because maybe I'm doing it wrong.

Max M.

LibertyCabbage

Yep, your case is no way related to this "SB220" stuff...
btw. Do you use digital connection to your speakers/amp? (and what speakers/amp do you use?)

dj_stick

if it is a digital connection, then you will only got 2.0 sound (without using creative's proprietry cable or 3 seperate cables)

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MichalStach

Yours card wiil work on kX 3537. Get from 'hardware/software' PCI VEN and SUBSYS code and check if it is in 'kx.inf'. If isn't you have unknown model.
If your code differ only on one position you may tray to reedit 'kx.inf' and insert your card code to the nearest model. Sometimes it will work.

Another tips is get form internet datasheet to STAC9708 and look at register table. Then on 'kxctrl' modify it. The command 'stac97 xx yy' give you control to allregisters of AC97 codec. First try to set volume registers to max. vol.

LibertyCabbage

I am using the Altec Lansing VS3151 speakers (5 speakers a subwoofer & a control box.)

I switched the orange cable to the analog/digital out jack and I found a switch on the control box that should enable 6-channel sound so I will reinstall the Creative drivers and try those again.

LibertyCabbage

!!! I uninstalled kX and reinstalled the Creative stuff. What's different now is I switched the orange plug to the Analog/Digital Out space and I found a switch on the back of the control box which enables 6-channel sound. Now I did the speaker test and I'm getting good sound from the rear speakers (!!) and also the right front speaker. However, the left and center speakers are very muffled. Any idea why this would be and how to fix it? I'll mess around with the settings to try and get it to work right.

Thanks for all the help you've given so far.

edit: The front left and center sound is coming from the front right speaker. The FL and Center sounds are quiet then the Front Right is normal. The rear speakers are working good though!

dj_stick

is that the 9pin digital cable? it so that should work with kX (only the ac97 outputs are affected)
you will need to put your card into Digital output only mode to use it

however if the cable is only an RCA connector, you are only sending stereo signal to the speakers

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LibertyCabbage

OK, I looked more closely and saw that the Analog/Digital slot is more of a pink, and the original slot I had the cable in is the orange that matches the cable. So, I think my original mistake was not changing the switch on the back of the control box to 6-channel. However, with the orange cable switched, the results are the same.

Without Digital Output Only:

Front Right, Rear Left, Rear Right speakers working correctly. Front Left and Center speakers are not working correctly.

With Digital Output Only:

No speakers make any sound.


So my issue now is to get the Front Left and Center speakers to work right. Currently their sound is playing out of the Right Speaker at a low volume.

edit: I will try the kX driver again.

LibertyCabbage

alright I reinstalled the kX driver and I did the sound test, still no left front or center, so I unplugged the left frontand center and put them back in, now I have the left front !! So I have left front right front right rear left rear, now I just need center and I'm set =o

Anything special I have to do to enable center?

dj_stick

what cable are you using? RCA? 9pin DIN?

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LibertyCabbage

Din

Max M.

[color=grey]i'd suggest to create new thread about LibertyCabbage's problem. This "Sb0220 no Rear" thread is already too long to read also about wrong cable connections that have nothing to do with "kX/SB220".[/color]

LibertyCabbage

sure, thx for your help

radu4u

MichalStach I tried the solution for rear speakers and it works perfectly, I have a sb220, but I wanna ask you how can I do to hear in the digital out the subwoower signal or and the center signal? I would like to listen subwoofer signal from the line in, is this possible? how to setup this?
10x by

MichalStach

It is difficult question for me, because I haven't digital system. I also don't know anybody who loan me digital decoder.
Typical on all previous version SB5.1 all 6 channels are available on out3 (CNT/LFE). To get proper signal jack connector must have three junction. (Look at datasheet, ant serach on this forum).
I don't know it is possible to redirect signal to line in. I think that is impossible.

Ohther problem may occur, because to rear analog SB022x use outputs 13/14 EMU, different than others SB. For digital output it will be the same, it will use outputs 13/14.

Sir Lantis

thanks a lot guys... after read and rereading this thread i got it
at first i will make a bat file which does this for me each reboot ^^

pr|3st

it's been a while since i had to do any of this, but how do you go about making the batch file to reload the driver specs each time??? i know how to make the bat itself, but i can't get the commands right...

jacobin

Hi!
Thanks for your advices, now all works fine with my sb live! 5.1 but I was only wondering if someone knows how to fix the problem of the unpluget inputs on the epilogt_k1 after loading the kx dsp file?
Sorry for my english ;-)

radu4u

Could you tell me how to translate from the command line 2 wires from the TIMBRE to EPILOGLT_K1. The input's for the EPILOGLT_K1 are the entrances 13 and 14.
10x

Skeba

Okay.. Thanks for all the help... I've been able to get things to work a bit better now..

By getting the Epiloglt_k1 out there and connecting the sL and sR from the surounder to the out 13, and 14 of Epiloglt_k1, I've been able to get the surround speakers working. The thing is though, that I lose my center and subwoofer completely. The program for some reason takes the center, subwoofer and sCenter1, and takes them to the epiloglt_k1 also. I've tried to remove the connections, and I've tried to connect the LFE, Center and the sCenter1 to the normal Epilog, but with no luck..

So.. separately, I can get the center and subwoofer, and then the surround speakers to work, but not at the same time.. Any ideas..?

Oh, and I have the latest drivers, in which the register values seem to be already correct...

Eugene Gavrilov

3538c is out. it seems the issue is not completely solved yet.
let's try to investigate the reasons

Eugene

fkrzych

I've bought two SB0220 in the same time and shop. Both packages are identical, drivers from Creative and manuals too. Both have Rear Sound problem with KX 3538g. When I look at PCBs I see differences in used elements, but PCBs are identical. One of them has STAC9758T and a place for UDA1330A (I think). The other one has STAC9708 and UDA1330A. EMU is the same (EMU10K1-JFF) on both PCBs.

Rear sound on SB with STAC9758T and KX 3538g could be resolved using port 5f and epilog solution. It not work on SB with STAC9708. Additionaly on SB with STAC9708 and KX 3537 I have rear sound but don't have center/sub.

I think both SBs are the new ones. It seems that Creative produces two versions.

I still don't have a solutions for problem with STAC9708 version.

MichalStach

I try 3538c, and it is still problem with rear sound. The 3538c version works like 3538a. Rear outputs plays, but doesn't work volume control from Kxmikser for their. Also doesn't work surround slides. I think the rear stream goes through to output codec. At the same time front sound works fine. I can control theirs' volume and theirs' behaviour from surround panel.
Rear sound works propertly when I make same conections as for 3537 (Insert K1_epilog and conect OUT13, OUT14).

Eugene Gavrilov

guys, let's try to start a new topic dealing with sb22x issues and try to summerize all the information we currently have

E.

vdkon

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Nom du pilote:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Date du pilote: Dec 21 2004 05:59:43
Version du pilote: 5.10.00.3538 - debug
Nom de l'extension:none
SB022x 10k1 [9000]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 100a1102 ChipRev: a
Card has MPU device
Carte compatible '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: SigmaTel STAC9708
3D Extension: SigmaTel 3D Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[6940] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [80]: -PCM surround DAC-
Port: 9000 Irq: 0x10(16)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 0 Service Pack 3; 2 5 0 Service Pack 3; 156 148]
----------------------------------------------------

mine

when i use the technique of post #48, the center is redirected to the rear left AND the center channel

but still no rear sound

well, i guess it's better than no sound at all

i'm reverting to 3537, it allowed me to play 4.0
with 3538 i have front left/right, center and subwoofer but no rear left/right

MichalStach

You have got SB022x, but with different codec. Described method works for card with codec STA9758. In your event outputs for rears' stream will be on differents cannels. You can find it in conecting 'rear_l', 'rear_r' form surround plugin to usually unused 'epilog_k1' outputs or others epilogs' outputs.

Hugo z Hor

----Hardware / Software configuration---------------
Driver Name:kX Audio Driver (Debug)
Driver Date: Dec 21 2004 05:59:43
Driver Version: 5.10.00.3538 - debug
DB Name:none
SB0220 10k1 [c000]
PCI Information:
Device: 21102 Subsys: 80671102 ChipRev: a
Card has MPU device
Card model is '5.1'
Card HAS AC97 codec
Codec name: EMicro UNKNOWN (4328)
3D Extension: No 3D Stereo Enhancement
Codec is 2.0 compliant
Capabilities[140] :
DAC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
ADC resolutions : -16-bit- -18-bit-
Ext Capabilities [280]: -PCM surround DAC- -slot/DAC mappings-
Port: c000 Irq: 0x6(6)
Playback buffer: 20a0
Record buffer: 4000
Number of AC3 buffers: 4
Tank memory: 256 kb
GSIF buffer: 256 samples
OS version: [2 5 2 ; 2 5 2 ; 156 148]
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And I have NO problems with rear sound

MichalStach

You are lucky men, but it depends of your kind of AC97 codec.
STAC9758 still doesn't work