Good low end ATI card???

BWX · Mar 9, 2004, 09:59 AM

That's my question, I'm not too familiar w/ low-end ATI cards, but I am needing a low-end card for a system I'm building up and I don't really know what to get. I'm limited to around 50 bucks, so it's more for good 2-D image quality and features, rather than gaming performance.

At NewEgg they have some 9200se's with DVI out and TV out for around 50 bucks, they look pretty weak, and are pretty slow, but it looks like they can go dual monitor if needed (or can they?), and TV out is cool. Plus if 2-D quality is anything like my 9700p I think I will be happy with it for the people that are going to use it...

Are the older cards like the 8500's any better/worse or is it better to go with the newer stuff?
And if anyone out there has a used low-end card that has TV and DVI out, I'll probably be able to take it off your hands.

TwistedMetal · Mar 9, 2004, 11:33 PM

I would go with the 9200 SE. Pretty cheap for a 128 MB card, you could always overclock it.

BWX · Mar 9, 2004, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by TwistedMetal
I would go with the 9200 SE. Pretty cheap for a 128 MB card, you could always overclock it.

Oh yeah, I forgot to post back, I infact did purchase a 9200se- It will do dual monitor and TV out. And if they want to play an old 3D game, it will do it- maybe not fast, but it will be able to do it.

GutterPunk · Mar 10, 2004, 09:50 PM

i had fun luck w/ my 9000 decent fps, w/ the omegas it ran smooth

DriveEuro · Mar 10, 2004, 10:21 PM

I got a 9000pro as a temp card once.... Man, I couldn't play anything at 1024x768. It was horrible. BWX pick up a used 8500. It performs a little less than a Ti4200.. Although, you could always just get a 4200. Really cheap and perform GREAT.

Judas · Mar 10, 2004, 10:24 PM

Hey been awhile Driver Euro..... BTW... yeah.. if you can find a full speed 8500le.. (275/275).... then you'll get better results... not much though.... i had a 9200 np 128mb for awhile... and i still have one in one other pc.... replaced a 8500..... much faster..... actually running some games at 1280x1024

BWX · Mar 10, 2004, 11:32 PM

Will an 8500 do dual screen and TV out? If it does then I should have tried to get one of those, but I didn't have time, so I just bought a bran new 9200SE from NewEgg- (50 bucks) I think it will give good 2-D IQ and performance.. That's what matters. I got this this one because of the connectors that it came with- didn't want to spend an extra 6 or 8 bucks on a DVI to RGB converter or the extra converter for the TV out- This one came with those.

They won't be gaming with it anyway- but I do think they have an extra 15 inch monitor they might hook up to it for a dual monitor setup. If they ever want to start playing games on it, then maybe I'll look for a used 8500 for them.
Remember, it's a KT133 w/ Socket A Athlon 750 and PC133 ram (512mb)- so it's just going to be a good email and web surfing machine. So if they want to game at all they will need a Mobo/CPU/Mem upgrade too.. They have 4 kids- so playing games on a PC isn't a very high priority.. but they will have a nice general purpose PC..

The_Neon_Cowboy · Mar 11, 2004, 05:05 AM

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Originally posted by BWX232
Oh yeah, I forgot to post back, I infact did purchase a 9200se- It will do dual monitor and TV out. And if they want to play an old 3D game, it will do it- maybe not fast, but it will be able to do it.

lol

in my girl friends rig i have an old ati 64mb ddr vivo card (7200 based), It plays ut2004 etc just fine and dandy. With it's two pixel pipes and it super high stock clock speed of 183/366

the 9200 should be alot better

BWX · Mar 11, 2004, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by The_Neon_Cowboy
lol

in my girl friends rig i have an old ati 64mb ddr vivo card (7200 based), It plays ut2004 etc just fine and dandy. With it's two pixel pipes and it super high stock clock speed of 183/366

the 9200 should be alot better

Really? that's cool- those guys don't even know what antialiasing means, so I'm sure they won't care if it won't run a game with it on- but that's encouraging that it might be able to play a game halfway decent at low res/IQ- it's a bonus for them. But remember, it's a 9200 "SE" that runs at 200/333 - so it's allot slower than even a regular 9200-

In my mom's PC I put my old geforce2GTS which I think runs the same core and mem speed- Put that's a 128bit mem interface card and the 9200SE is a 64bit interface card.. The GTS has about 5.3 GB/s bandwidth- and the 9200SE only has 2.7gb/s. The 9200SE has much more advanced core though- But in raw speed it pretty slow- So in general it's a very slow card, but hey, for 50 bucks it's a nice little card that will do the job, plus it's an ATI, so it's efficient and has good 2-D IQ with dual mon. and TV out. That goes a long way. I could have gotten the 128bit 9200 for not too much more- but hey, it's expensive to raise 4 kids.

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Down1oader · Mar 11, 2004, 04:16 PM

i have a geforce 2 gts pro brand new untouched cause i didnt think it was worth installing you reckon itll go better with my old system tht has a gf4 mx440 in it?

~~HawK~~ · Mar 11, 2004, 04:57 PM

I recently installed a 9200SE (sapphire) in someones rig(PIII-667),
was suprised what games the card would run, very decent Card for a mere 50 euro!!

Downloader: No.. MX440 is a "forced up" GF2 GTS, hence the forceware drivers

Down1oader · Mar 11, 2004, 05:01 PM

ah ok ill just throw them both in the bin and get a cheap gf4 ti4800 on ebay

Judas · Mar 12, 2004, 04:44 AM

9200se will and does run plenty of new games full tilt.. i mean... halo @ 800x600 no problem maxed out settings....

GutterPunk · Mar 12, 2004, 06:10 AM

my 9000np played @ 1028 w/ no problems i mustve either a been lucky or b got lucky

oh well it worked well for me... just dont stand up to the 9800pro tho

BWX · Mar 12, 2004, 06:52 AM

Hey cool, It sounds like that little card isn't TOO much of a slouch then..

I just got all the stuff from newegg today, I got the case:

I got the LiteOn 52 x 32 x 52 CDRW

I got the little 9200se:

I got the WD 40gig 7200rpm ATA100 HD
and a little black floppy drive.

I think I'm gonna throw in a little round blue cold cathode light to light up the inside a little too.

Lchevy79 · Apr 7, 2004, 06:17 AM

looks like its going to be a cool little rig and btw i had an sapphire 9200 128mb card and it ran like 8 frames per sec lower than my 9600 256 8x card on ut2k3 so its was a very nice cheap card good luck bud

BWX · Apr 7, 2004, 06:28 AM

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Originally posted by Lchevy79
looks like its going to be a cool little rig and btw i had an sapphire 9200 128mb card and it ran like 8 frames per sec lower than my 9600 256 8x card on ut2k3 so its was a very nice cheap card good luck bud

I delivered it to them last week-- they like the rig a lot- I loaded up RTCW on it and it plays it at 40 to 60 fps- Pretty cool since they are used to PSx games. I put another cold cathode in there too the whole thing is lit up blue. It lights up an entire room dark blue.. It's pretty cool, and that card isn't bad for 50bucks.

Mar 9, 2004, 09:59 AM	#1
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Good low end ATI card??? That's my question, I'm not too familiar w/ low-end ATI cards, but I am needing a low-end card for a system I'm building up and I don't really know what to get. I'm limited to around 50 bucks, so it's more for good 2-D image quality and features, rather than gaming performance. At NewEgg they have some 9200se's with DVI out and TV out for around 50 bucks, they look pretty weak, and are pretty slow, but it looks like they can go dual monitor if needed (or can they?), and TV out is cool. Plus if 2-D quality is anything like my 9700p I think I will be happy with it for the people that are going to use it... Are the older cards like the 8500's any better/worse or is it better to go with the newer stuff? And if anyone out there has a used low-end card that has TV and DVI out, I'll probably be able to take it off your hands. __________________

Mar 9, 2004, 11:33 PM	#2
TwistedMetal MC John-117 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix, Arizona Posts: 728 Rep Power: 0	I would go with the 9200 SE. Pretty cheap for a 128 MB card, you could always overclock it. __________________ [color=red][/color]

Mar 10, 2004, 09:50 PM	#4
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	i had fun luck w/ my 9000 decent fps, w/ the omegas it ran smooth __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Mar 10, 2004, 10:21 PM	#5
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	I got a 9000pro as a temp card once.... Man, I couldn't play anything at 1024x768. It was horrible. BWX pick up a used 8500. It performs a little less than a Ti4200.. Although, you could always just get a 4200. Really cheap and perform GREAT. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Mar 10, 2004, 11:32 PM	Thread Starter #7
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Will an 8500 do dual screen and TV out? If it does then I should have tried to get one of those, but I didn't have time, so I just bought a bran new 9200SE from NewEgg- (50 bucks) I think it will give good 2-D IQ and performance.. That's what matters. I got this this one because of the connectors that it came with- didn't want to spend an extra 6 or 8 bucks on a DVI to RGB converter or the extra converter for the TV out- This one came with those. They won't be gaming with it anyway- but I do think they have an extra 15 inch monitor they might hook up to it for a dual monitor setup. If they ever want to start playing games on it, then maybe I'll look for a used 8500 for them. Remember, it's a KT133 w/ Socket A Athlon 750 and PC133 ram (512mb)- so it's just going to be a good email and web surfing machine. So if they want to game at all they will need a Mobo/CPU/Mem upgrade too.. They have 4 kids- so playing games on a PC isn't a very high priority.. but they will have a nice general purpose PC.. __________________

Mar 11, 2004, 04:16 PM	#10
Down1oader DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Uk, England Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	i have a geforce 2 gts pro brand new untouched cause i didnt think it was worth installing you reckon itll go better with my old system tht has a gf4 mx440 in it?

Mar 11, 2004, 04:57 PM	#11
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	I recently installed a 9200SE (sapphire) in someones rig(PIII-667), was suprised what games the card would run, very decent Card for a mere 50 euro!! Downloader: No.. MX440 is a "forced up" GF2 GTS, hence the forceware drivers

Mar 11, 2004, 05:01 PM	#12
Down1oader DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Uk, England Posts: 78 Rep Power: 0	ah ok ill just throw them both in the bin and get a cheap gf4 ti4800 on ebay

Mar 12, 2004, 06:10 AM	#14
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	my 9000np played @ 1028 w/ no problems i mustve either a been lucky or b got lucky oh well it worked well for me... just dont stand up to the 9800pro tho __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

Mar 12, 2004, 06:52 AM	Thread Starter #15
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	Hey cool, It sounds like that little card isn't TOO much of a slouch then.. I just got all the stuff from newegg today, I got the case: I got the LiteOn 52 x 32 x 52 CDRW I got the little 9200se: I got the WD 40gig 7200rpm ATA100 HD and a little black floppy drive. I think I'm gonna throw in a little round blue cold cathode light to light up the inside a little too. __________________

Apr 7, 2004, 06:17 AM	#16
Lchevy79 -=[DHzer0point Team]=- Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 725 Rep Power: 0	looks like its going to be a cool little rig and btw i had an sapphire 9200 128mb card and it ran like 8 frames per sec lower than my 9600 256 8x card on ut2k3 so its was a very nice cheap card good luck bud __________________ msi K7N2 delta2-AMD 2800xp@2083-1gig of pc2700ram -ati x850xt 256mb -Audigy mp3+ - 1 80gig maxtor 8mb and 1 250gig 16mb maxtor -48x24x48 buslink burner-and a lite on 4x +/- dvd burner xp home samsung lcd (19") 930b monitor