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Discussion in 'Hardware Discussion & Support' started by sarelc, Dec 11, 2005.

  1. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    i've been looking for a solution to the audigy2's shoddy bass output for a while now, and as there are several other threads about all over the place i'd like to know if anyone's solved it.

    for those of you unfamiliar with this issue, when using the analogue jacks, there's almost no output on the .1 channel. i'm using winxp sp1/via4in1 v4.51/latest non-beta creative drivers v5.12.31.1100 with the analogue&digital outputs going to a sony str-de597 receiver (analogue C/CR/SUB connected via 4-pole mini->rca cable). all the connections are properly attached (speaker connections verified by the receiver's built-in tester, and cabling connections tested via creative's speaker settings tester). the creative EAX control panel has never been installed, avoiding issues that come from it. the discrete input on the receiver itself works fine, if i plug the center channel into it for instance, the bass is there. in both the speaker calibrator setup and the speaker test application, when the sound gets around to the sub there is a very, very weak noise with the volume in the drivers at MAX, but with a real source like a game or video, there's no discernable output. the weirdest part is with the sub hooked to the card directly, you can get really bad sound out of it by turning on bass redirect in the drivers. however, when connected to the receiver's discrete input, nothing comes out even then. not that that's really a problem since redirecting the bass makes getting actual .1 sound rather pointless, right? but it shows the thing works to a degree, anyway. so howabout, has anyone actually gotten their AU2 to function properly?
  2. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

    the same problem here, and no solution except for EAX console and THX console. both shit, but there is an option to pump up the bass a bit... i've got 120Hz and max volume... i can hear sth from .1 when polaying in foobar or winamp...
    nevertheless i've got a separate bass-volume-level-control dial and it's set slightly above the level to which front and rear speakers are set...
    the only resonable solution that cames to my mind is to make all chanels except .1 quieter (more quiet? :| :|) than the .1 :)
  3. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    is there even a way to do that in the drivers? afaik there's only the sub that has it's own volume control. that setting doesn't affect the registry, so that rules out getting anywhere by editing the values there.
  4. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

    I do not quite follow what do u mean :)

    The part with the registry - what registry has to do with the sub? The sub is mixed (as a whole channel) with the front speaker so if there were any settings they would affect both front+sub...

    What i meant was this:
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    This is Audigy 4 hacked ISO without any other stuff with YuoP drivers... As described somewhere here in the forum.
  5. jiiteepee

    jiiteepee New Member


    Hi!

    SB0280 = Sound Blaster Audigy 2 Platinum eX

    Manual can be downloaded @ http://uk.europe.creative.com/support/downloads/welcome.asp?type=manuals

    Are your connections and plugs as right type?

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    You can also try if ASIO compatible playersoftware makes any improvement.

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    etc.


    jiitee
  6. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

    How do u know? is there a database with model no.?


    i assume they are ->
  7. jiiteepee

    jiiteepee New Member

    Yes there is - http://ask.americas.creative.com/wwenglish/general/Products_List_Audio.htm


    You wrote in your 1st post - line_out 1 is not very hearable --> I got an impression - this is affecting to the shoddiness of bass --> Line_Out 3 is for subwofer (see the picture on my previous post) --> are you on 6.1 you need a special plug for line3_out (eg. for subwoofer).

    jiitee
  8. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member


    thx


    i guess we don't undestand each other or i don;t understand u :)

    i wrote ".1" which means (as in 5.1 / 4.1 / 2.1) the subwoofer channel.

    and i've got 5.1
  9. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    jiiteepee: My mistake, rather than actually identifying the card in my system I was lazy and grabbed what seemed to be the right value from the page of kX supported cards... But it is the OEM model.
    ASIO wouldn't really help - even if it output to the sub, games using DirectSound3D wouldn't be affected by it, and games are all I have the problem with since I use the digital output for everything else, and my receiver does the bass handling.

    CrazyJohn: I'm running the AU2 drivers, so I don't have the THX mixer. The bass redirect function would resolve me problem if there was toggle to mirror the low frequencies to the sub output instead of removing them completely from the mains - which then sound like garbage. But I doubt that'll happen unless Creative grows a new support branch. Now about the registry - I had a workaround in mind, seeing as the sub works (albeit badly) in the noise test. I was hoping that the volume level was stored in the registry, and could therefore be altered by hand, maybe above the maximum level on the slider :w00t: But it's not a registry entry, so so much for that idea.

    I've been looking around over at the Creative forums, and this issue (which affects anyone who's not using Creative's own speakers) is still unresolved. But the last few posts that seemed informed seem to imply the following: The output is not a proper subwoofer output - it is only active when decoding multi-channel media (ac3/dts/dd/etc) containing LFE info, or when the bass redirect function is enabled.
    :mad: WTF! So if that's to be believed, games would not actually output anything to that channel at all, whether this is DS3D's fault or Creative's I haven't verified yet. This would also mean that Creative's speakers work properly because they have internal bass management, which would be one hell of a nasty marketing tactic.

    I've come up with a solution for anyone with a receiver, it's not free though. Since all the bass redirect function is doing is cropping the low sounds and rereouting them, you can do the same thing but better by using an external mixer inline. From my post over at Creative's site...

    Last edited: May 31, 2006
  10. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

    sarelc u can install only the mixer itself

    so do i understand correctly, that creative don't give a fuck about users with non-creative speakers?...
    i've just sold my crappy-shit speakers and looking forward to buying creative t6060... hopefully?? i'm considering also logitech x530...
  11. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    Yeah, but all that's good for is changing the individual volumes - the bass is still removed from the other speakers. Which as I said, sounds really bunk. The sub is meant to complement the mains, not replace them. Having to mess with the levels is a mediocre solution - when I want to game, I want to hit multi-in on my remote, and go.

    Now as far as Creative is concerned, they are a huge company and I don't think I expect them to be any more responsible than any other huge company that is in the business of selling end-user products. But something is obviously being left out, people have been complaining about this bass thing since the Audigy 2 came out several years ago. I can even understand if the sub output is only for the LFE channel in media - but if that is the case then where is that stated in the manual/in their knowledge base/on their forums/on the product box? To me, does not constitute a REAL 5.1 sound card - not that there's much else out there, if you want up to date EAX support. Over the two years I've had the card, I've dealt with their techs a number of times, and while they are quite good about getting back to you, even the second tier staff that I've been in touch with don't seem to get what I'm saying - that yes, the speakers are connected right, yes, they test fine - but there's simply no sound from the output. If it is only for LFE, then why in the world don't any of their staff know that? On other speaker systems - I would highly recommend you contact Logitech or whoever else and ask them whether their set has a builtin crossover, if it doesn't then you'll likely be having the same problem I am. It'll work fine for dvds, but games will have no boom. But again I have to wonder, because the post about LFE only was not from Creative's staff afaik, and you'd think with all the digging I've done into the problem, that I'd have found a page on at least one competitor's site saying no, your (Logitech, etc) speakers are not defective - Audigy2 cards don't blah blah. There is hope they'll implement some changes to the drivers someday, but I'm not counting on it - I'm building the box I mentioned above, but at a premium of $30. Maybe I should send them the bill? :x
  12. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

    any way to check if there is a builtin crossover? google doesn't help... any ideas? (t6060 & logi x530)

    well then, it seems to me as if creative wanted to force users to buy only their products, from what u say i assume that creative a2 + creative speakers work great (true?) but onbly because they've got builtin crossover...

    if only this is the case then the solution is not that complicated... to iron several wires... no big deal, but the fact is that it should be either sold as a special device or added to the card as a device, which could be used if u have non-creative speakers.

    u did a lot of digging, a lot of great job, thank you :)
    what other forums / web sited except for creative forum did u dig in?




    edit:
    just got my t6060, the sound is crystal clear :) and this undobtedly HAS an bulitin crossover, there is no comparision to my old shit mediatech speakers...
    no bas redirection function is necessary now...

    my old ones didn't have a crossover so i had to pump up bass in the drivers...
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2005
  13. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    Glad you're liking your new system. I somehow missed jiiteepee's short post about the product number, and decided to get around to looking at the card itself since the oem ones are described as either Gateway or DELL, which I knew it wasn't. What I actually have is the Audigy 2 from a variety pack - which amounts to the same thing, as it's just the regular AU2 card and the installation cd, in an anti-static bag.
  14. Zelig

    Zelig New Member

    Hmm, that must be it, I've been following the last few posts in this thread, but I've never had the bass problem, just overall reduced volume with my speakers running through a reciever. Bass redirection should always be left off if possible in the Creative settings, for any half-decent speakers, it will sound worse if changed.
  15. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

    it does :)
  16. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    What are you comparing the levels to, other line-level devices?
  17. Zelig

    Zelig New Member

    Not following exactly...

    I've only tried a reciever with a Klipsch 5.1 ultra set/Audigy 2 ZS. With the reciever, using analog connections, all the sound was softer. Turning up the main speaker volume by about +10 brought the volume back to its original sound.
  18. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    That's what I wanted to know - what you were saying it was quieter than. I have no idea about that, when I'm in the mood to game I don't usually take time to mess around with settings. :) Next time I play I'll try and remember to disable the subwoofer, and then switch back and forth between digital and analogue and see if the volume changes.
  19. sarelc

    sarelc New Member

    A million (ok well... maybe 30) hours of swearing like a pirate, setting stuff on fire, dozens of tylenol and even more empty beer bottles later - success! :evil:
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    some pics of it installed.
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    I didn't actually set anything on fire. Or drink... or relieve my constant headache. I haven't even tried the damn thing yet, but all the wiring tests ok on the multimetre. I'm very afraid it'll break while I'm plugging it in, but oh well. I was going to take more pics but my *cough*creative*cough* webcam software keeps crashing. :D I'll have more tomorrow, including clear answers from a dude at Creative.
    Last edited: May 31, 2006
  20. CrazyJohn

    CrazyJohn New Member

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