3534f compatible plugins?

Toadly_Ossum · Mar 27, 2006, 05:46 PM

Ive recently switched to using 3534f for its superior asio performance. Ive installed Lexs Profx and noise gate. But I was wonder is there a comprehensive list of 3534 pluggins? It would great to have a list of links stickied on the forum.

Toad

Russ · Mar 27, 2006, 06:34 PM

You can get UFX from TravelRec's website.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 29, 2006, 09:43 AM

Currently known available 3534 'compatibel' plugins are:
- Max. M's UFX package
- ProFx 3534 package

I doubt that there are any other 'officialy' released 34 plugins.

However, all post 34 added plugins can be made compatibel
by re-compiling them.

HTH,

/Lex.

TheKezReturns · Apr 4, 2006, 02:02 AM

Tiger... any chance??
Going back to 3534f has cured a couple of other bugs for me but I don't know if I can live without EFX

Lex Nahumury · Apr 8, 2006, 04:15 PM

For 3534f users: Update!

Added on request:
- Noise Gate Stereo

- Automation noise gates fixed ( @ReWired. plz check)

ProFx v3.08 compiled for 3534..!!
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x_3534.htm

/Lex.

PS: THIS RELEASE WILL NOT WORK ON ANY 3538..!

TheKezReturns · Apr 28, 2006, 03:20 AM

Could maybe have started another thread for this but I think people have gone back to 3834f for ASIO and probably don't read the Soundfont threads..

..But, does anyone know if soundfont support was working properly in 3834f?

I use the kx synth for a rhodes soundfont a play live over alot of ableton live tracks. With the latest version a was getting a horrible delay especially when stabbing chords or lots of sequencial notes.

The repsonse is realtime now I've reverted back to 3834f but some times certain notes don't play at all and it seems random.

ReWired · Apr 30, 2006, 03:05 PM

Lex...hm, WHERE are ASIO3 and ASIO4 inputs on ProFX:ASIO?

Lex Nahumury · Apr 30, 2006, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReWired

Lex...hm, WHERE are ASIO3 and ASIO4 inputs on ProFX:ASIO?

Read up on the 'asio mapping issue' with certain cards.

monohouse · Apr 30, 2006, 08:50 PM

just wanted to mention 2 things.......

kxmixer.exe version 3534f when loaded, is 2x smaller in memory - 3 MB compared to 6 mb 3537 version.

also the new foobar2000 version 0.9.1 is 2x bigger than version 0.8.3 maybe because they have a new developer, but there is no reason for it to be 2x bigger, maybe kx has a reason...

in any case, the new ProFX 3.08 on 3534f is mutch better, uses almost 5 times less cpu time than it's previous versions.

now if only I could find a delay plugin for 3534f with arbitrary delay like the one in the stereo chorus plugin that would be teh pwn.

Lex Nahumury · Apr 30, 2006, 09:34 PM

Delay lines are relative simple plugins
There should be some .da versions floating around on the forum
which can be used with any driver version.

But what kind of are you looking for?
Delay Effects with ping pong, feedback etc. or
a single delay line in msec?

Anyway; any existing plugin can be 'down-compiled' to 34f.

monohouse · Apr 30, 2006, 11:34 PM

just delay line, nothing else, not even gain.

what are .da ? where are .da ?

how do you down-compile ?

I have searched the entire forum for "delay", I found only a few delay plugins, they don't really work with 3534f, and even if they do they are xTram plugins

.

I am currently trying to use the chorus effect's delay time as a delay, im not sure if it works right I made a topic about it here : http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-dsp/105292-stereo-chorus.html

do you know a iTram delay line plugin ?

Max M. · May 1, 2006, 03:29 PM

switp:

Code:

name "Delay Line"
guid "80100006-9864-11D6-BFBC-D4F128910C52"   

itramsize 4802
idelay write w at 0
idelay read r at 0
control DelayTime = .5

input   in
output  out

macs out, r, 0, 0
macs w,  in, 0, 0
macs &r, &w, 0x960000, DelayTime

end

although it shows delay time in percents, these are percents of 100ms
so 100%->100ms, 50%->50ms, 33->33 and so on;
Why do you need iTram?

monohouse · May 1, 2006, 04:17 PM

w0000000000t whoa thanks duuuuudeeeeeee YOU DA MAN !!!

if iTram is DSP registers and xTram is system memory it should be obvious, why do I need audio to be swapped in and out of the system and according to what I know it causes serious PCI bandwidth consumption ?

my current dsp setup uses 0 xTram memory, that is if I am corrent about the above...

anyway this is very good, I meen that's the only thing I had missing the only thing I could ask for is higher resolution, like x.x ms, but that is good enough thanks !!!

TheKezReturns · May 4, 2006, 12:04 AM

We want EFX Tubedrive! ........ er well... I want EFX Tubedrive!!
Could it happen?

monohouse · May 4, 2006, 08:51 AM

this is strange, your delay line code takes up 4802 memory, but the entire stereo chorus takes up 2888, with all it's other options, including delay, why is that ?

is it because your delay allows bigger numbers like 100 ms ?

Tiger M · May 4, 2006, 04:02 PM

>>>We want EFX Tubedrive! ........ er well... I want EFX Tubedrive!!
>>>Could it happen?

Hmm..., it might happen, but I'm too scared to get back to kx programming, it's too mind wrecking!

Max M. · May 4, 2006, 05:06 PM

>is it because your delay allows bigger numbers like 100 ms ?

yes (100 * 48 = 4800; where 48 is number of samples per millisecond at 48000Hz)

Chorus uses 60ms (30ms line per channel)

ReWired · May 4, 2006, 05:57 PM

eh, Tiger, Tiger...
back to good old days I remember you said that amp+cabinet simulation will follow tubedrive....
anyway, tubedrive and reverbstation for 3534 will be good, even without the nice gui

Tiger M · May 4, 2006, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReWired

eh, Tiger, Tiger...
back to good old days I remember you said that amp+cabinet simulation will follow tubedrive....
anyway, tubedrive and reverbstation for 3534 will be good, even without the nice gui

it did follow it, but it never went public...

ReWired · May 4, 2006, 07:52 PM

too bad we never saw it, but we never saw too many other things in life also

monohouse · May 5, 2006, 08:24 PM

what if I would like to reduce the maximum to like 10 ms ?
and what if I would like the numbers to be 0.1 increments ?

would that help save memory ?
what is 0x960000 ?
0+9830400*DelayTime ?

Max M. · May 5, 2006, 08:49 PM

>what if I would like to reduce the maximum to like 10 ms ?

you change 'itramsize 4802' and that '0x960000' values.
tramsize is calculated as X = ms * 48 (i typically add 2 as a guard) and the second number is a 'fader value to delay offset factor' and calc as F = ms * 48 * 2048 (in above code it is 100 * 48 * 2048 = 9830400, or 0x960000 in hex notation)

>would that help save memory ?

yes, 'itramsize' is the size of memory to be used

>and what if I would like the numbers to be 0.1 increments ?
if you change the code for 10ms then 1% of the fader will be 0.1 ms (100%->10ms, 10%->1ms etc.)

if you want to change the appearance of values in the GUI you have to write a plug-in dll.

monohouse · May 5, 2006, 08:55 PM

Code:

name "10 ms Delay Line"
itramsize 481
idelay write w at 0
idelay read r at 0
control DelayTime = .5

input   in
output  out

macs out, r, 0, 0
macs w,  in, 0, 0
macs &r, &w, 0xF0000, DelayTime

end

is ok ?

and what about

Code:

macs out, r, 0, 0
macs w,  in, 0, 0

the result here appers to be always zero....could those values be set to just zero ?

Max M. · May 5, 2006, 09:01 PM

yes, evrything is correct.

>the result here appers to be always zero.

no, it is not.
'macs a, b, 0, 0' is just 'a = b' (e.g. copy b to a)

monohouse · May 5, 2006, 09:16 PM

o well, I thought it's
a = b + 0 * 0
n/m thanks duude

Russ · May 5, 2006, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger M

Hmm..., it might happen, but I'm too scared to get back to kx programming, it's too mind wrecking!

C'mon, you know you love it... lol

Max M. · May 5, 2006, 09:25 PM

hehe

Russ · May 5, 2006, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by monohouse

o well, I thought it's
a = b + 0 * 0
n/m thanks duude

You are ignoring the Order of Operations, which does mutliplication/division before addition/subtraction.
i.e.
R = A + (X * Y)

a = b + (0 * 0)
or
a = b + 0
or
a = b

Max M. · May 5, 2006, 09:37 PM

[color=gray]uhm, interesting... now i see the force of habit... i could not ever imagine that the one may interpret 'a + b * c' as '(a + b) * c'... wonders of engineering...[/color]

thomasabarnes · May 10, 2006, 04:46 PM

Hey Tiger M and all.

Mesa watching sometimes.BTW, "Mesa" is what Jar Jar Binks says from Star Wars Episode I.

Anyway, Tiger M, hows a bout Reverb Station for 3534f til Eugene improves ASIO performance for the newer driver versions?

Finally, hi all, and see you when I get Internet service again.

Mar 27, 2006, 05:46 PM	#1
Toadly_Ossum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 228 Rep Power: 0	3534f compatible plugins? Ive recently switched to using 3534f for its superior asio performance. Ive installed Lexs Profx and noise gate. But I was wonder is there a comprehensive list of 3534 pluggins? It would great to have a list of links stickied on the forum. Toad

Apr 30, 2006, 11:34 PM	#11
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	just delay line, nothing else, not even gain. what are .da ? where are .da ? how do you down-compile ? I have searched the entire forum for "delay", I found only a few delay plugins, they don't really work with 3534f, and even if they do they are xTram plugins . I am currently trying to use the chorus effect's delay time as a delay, im not sure if it works right I made a topic about it here : http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-dsp/105292-stereo-chorus.html do you know a iTram delay line plugin ? Last edited by monohouse; May 1, 2006 at 12:25 AM.

May 1, 2006, 03:29 PM	#12
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	switp: Code: name "Delay Line" guid "80100006-9864-11D6-BFBC-D4F128910C52" itramsize 4802 idelay write w at 0 idelay read r at 0 control DelayTime = .5 input in output out macs out, r, 0, 0 macs w, in, 0, 0 macs &r, &w, 0x960000, DelayTime end although it shows delay time in percents, these are percents of 100ms so 100%->100ms, 50%->50ms, 33->33 and so on; Why do you need iTram?

May 1, 2006, 04:17 PM	#13
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	w0000000000t whoa thanks duuuuudeeeeeee YOU DA MAN !!! if iTram is DSP registers and xTram is system memory it should be obvious, why do I need audio to be swapped in and out of the system and according to what I know it causes serious PCI bandwidth consumption ? my current dsp setup uses 0 xTram memory, that is if I am corrent about the above... anyway this is very good, I meen that's the only thing I had missing the only thing I could ask for is higher resolution, like x.x ms, but that is good enough thanks !!! Last edited by monohouse; May 1, 2006 at 04:33 PM.

May 5, 2006, 08:24 PM	#21
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	what if I would like to reduce the maximum to like 10 ms ? and what if I would like the numbers to be 0.1 increments ? would that help save memory ? what is 0x960000 ? 0+9830400DelayTime ? Last edited by monohouse; May 5, 2006 at 08:50 PM.*

Mar 27, 2006, 06:34 PM	#2
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,563 Rep Power: 62	You can get UFX from TravelRec's website.

Mar 29, 2006, 09:43 AM	#3
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	Currently known available 3534 'compatibel' plugins are: - Max. M's UFX package - ProFx 3534 package I doubt that there are any other 'officialy' released 34 plugins. However, all post 34 added plugins can be made compatibel by re-compiling them. HTH, /Lex.

Apr 4, 2006, 02:02 AM	#4
TheKezReturns HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	Tiger... any chance?? Going back to 3534f has cured a couple of other bugs for me but I don't know if I can live without EFX

Apr 8, 2006, 04:15 PM	#5
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	For 3534f users: Update! Added on request: - Noise Gate Stereo - Automation noise gates fixed ( @ReWired. plz check) ProFx v3.08 compiled for 3534..!! http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x_3534.htm /Lex. PS: THIS RELEASE WILL NOT WORK ON ANY 3538..!

Apr 28, 2006, 03:20 AM	#6
TheKezReturns HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	Could maybe have started another thread for this but I think people have gone back to 3834f for ASIO and probably don't read the Soundfont threads.. ..But, does anyone know if soundfont support was working properly in 3834f? I use the kx synth for a rhodes soundfont a play live over alot of ableton live tracks. With the latest version a was getting a horrible delay especially when stabbing chords or lots of sequencial notes. The repsonse is realtime now I've reverted back to 3834f but some times certain notes don't play at all and it seems random.

Apr 30, 2006, 03:05 PM	#7
ReWired HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	Lex...hm, WHERE are ASIO3 and ASIO4 inputs on ProFX:ASIO?

Apr 30, 2006, 08:50 PM	#9
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	just wanted to mention 2 things....... kxmixer.exe version 3534f when loaded, is 2x smaller in memory - 3 MB compared to 6 mb 3537 version. also the new foobar2000 version 0.9.1 is 2x bigger than version 0.8.3 maybe because they have a new developer, but there is no reason for it to be 2x bigger, maybe kx has a reason... in any case, the new ProFX 3.08 on 3534f is mutch better, uses almost 5 times less cpu time than it's previous versions. now if only I could find a delay plugin for 3534f with arbitrary delay like the one in the stereo chorus plugin that would be teh pwn.

Apr 30, 2006, 09:34 PM	#10
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	Delay lines are relative simple plugins There should be some .da versions floating around on the forum which can be used with any driver version. But what kind of are you looking for? Delay Effects with ping pong, feedback etc. or a single delay line in msec? Anyway; any existing plugin can be 'down-compiled' to 34f.

May 4, 2006, 12:04 AM	#14
TheKezReturns HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	We want EFX Tubedrive! ........ er well... I want EFX Tubedrive!! Could it happen?

May 4, 2006, 08:51 AM	#15
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	this is strange, your delay line code takes up 4802 memory, but the entire stereo chorus takes up 2888, with all it's other options, including delay, why is that ? is it because your delay allows bigger numbers like 100 ms ?

May 4, 2006, 04:02 PM	#16
Tiger M kX user Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 851 Rep Power: 0	>>>We want EFX Tubedrive! ........ er well... I want EFX Tubedrive!! >>>Could it happen? Hmm..., it might happen, but I'm too scared to get back to kx programming, it's too mind wrecking!

May 4, 2006, 05:06 PM	#17
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>is it because your delay allows bigger numbers like 100 ms ? yes (100 * 48 = 4800; where 48 is number of samples per millisecond at 48000Hz) Chorus uses 60ms (30ms line per channel)

May 4, 2006, 05:57 PM	#18
ReWired HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	eh, Tiger, Tiger... back to good old days I remember you said that amp+cabinet simulation will follow tubedrive.... anyway, tubedrive and reverbstation for 3534 will be good, even without the nice gui

May 4, 2006, 07:52 PM	#20
ReWired HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	too bad we never saw it, but we never saw too many other things in life also

May 5, 2006, 08:49 PM	#22
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	>what if I would like to reduce the maximum to like 10 ms ? you change 'itramsize 4802' and that '0x960000' values. tramsize is calculated as X = ms * 48 (i typically add 2 as a guard) and the second number is a 'fader value to delay offset factor' and calc as F = ms * 48 * 2048 (in above code it is 100 * 48 * 2048 = 9830400, or 0x960000 in hex notation) >would that help save memory ? yes, 'itramsize' is the size of memory to be used >and what if I would like the numbers to be 0.1 increments ? if you change the code for 10ms then 1% of the fader will be 0.1 ms (100%->10ms, 10%->1ms etc.) if you want to change the appearance of values in the GUI you have to write a plug-in dll.

May 5, 2006, 08:55 PM	#23
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	Code: name "10 ms Delay Line" itramsize 481 idelay write w at 0 idelay read r at 0 control DelayTime = .5 input in output out macs out, r, 0, 0 macs w, in, 0, 0 macs &r, &w, 0xF0000, DelayTime end is ok ? and what about Code: macs out, r, 0, 0 macs w, in, 0, 0 the result here appers to be always zero....could those values be set to just zero ?

May 5, 2006, 09:01 PM	#24
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	yes, evrything is correct. >the result here appers to be always zero. no, it is not. 'macs a, b, 0, 0' is just 'a = b' (e.g. copy b to a)

May 5, 2006, 09:16 PM	#25
monohouse HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	o well, I thought it's a = b + 0 * 0 n/m thanks duude

May 5, 2006, 09:25 PM	#27
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	hehe

May 5, 2006, 09:37 PM	#29
Max M. h/h member-shmember Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Evil Empire Posts: 2,639 Rep Power: 69	[color=gray]uhm, interesting... now i see the force of habit... i could not ever imagine that the one may interpret 'a + b * c' as '(a + b) * c'... wonders of engineering...[/color]

May 10, 2006, 04:46 PM	#30
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