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Old Apr 12, 2009, 04:26 PM   #1
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Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
hi
im trying to use the side outputs in audigy 2 ( sb0350 ) with profx k2lt plugin ( kx 3545b )
in epilog its recognized as "I2S 2 Left/Right Output"
but it seems like i can't output to it via k2lt plugin

anyway around it or do i have to use epilog?

thanks in advance ,
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Old Apr 12, 2009, 06:15 PM   #2
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
According to kX docs and afaik, KX_OUT(0x30)/(0x31) (= I2S 2 L/R) are unknown outputs, hence I didn't include them in K2LT.
So I have no idea to what device (codec, aud_ext or whatever) those outputs connect.
On the 10k2 cards I've used they didn't connect to anything usefull.

To what physical connection do those outputs connect according to you?
In other words; where does the sound signal come out when you use those
I2S 2 L/R pins on Epilog with your card?

Eitherway, if they connect to something usefull (on some card types or extension boards) I might add those outputs to K2LT.
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
wow thanks for a quick answer
those output connect to the additional 2 mono channel ( sub , center ) to make 7.1 using this type of connector on line-out 2 and 3 ( 4-pin header )
http://ask.creative.com/wwimages/aud...digy2Rings.gif

see here linout 2 and 3
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...102-178-05.jpg

it would be great if you can add them
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Ok, I'll see what I can do.
No promisses as when I 'get to it' though.
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
Great man thank you very much
for the meanwhile ill use epilog and keep checking this thread from time to time to see if there are any updates
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Old Apr 13, 2009, 04:49 AM   #6
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wow thanks for a quick answer
those output connect to the additional 2 mono channel ( sub , center ) to make 7.1 using this type of connector on line-out 2 and 3 ( 4-pin header )
http://ask.creative.com/wwimages/aud...digy2Rings.gif

see here linout 2 and 3
http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggIma...102-178-05.jpg

it would be great if you can add them
The picture you showed is for a 6.1 speaker configuration, with 7.1, side right is the extra channel on line out 2 (i.e. Rear Left, Rear Right and Side Right) and side left is the extra channel on line out 3 (Center, Sub and Side Left).

So I guess that would make:
Out30: Rear Center (6.1) or Side Left (7.1)
Out31: Side Right (7.1)

6.1 cards: Audigy 2
7.1 cards: Audigy 4 Pro, Audigy 4, and Audigy 2 ZS

See here:
Creative Knowledge Base | Sound Blaster Connectors: Minijack configuration (Ring assignments)
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
russ am i missing something or you just rewrote what i said so it would be more clear?
its just what i said
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I was just trying to clarify and offer more info.
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
oh cool so thank you

edit :
my bad
now i see i gave the 6.1 diagram instead of 7.1 ( center/sub instead of side left/right )
thanks for the clarification
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Great man thank you very much
for the meanwhile ill use epilog and keep checking this thread from time to time to see if there are any updates
I don't have any 6.1 or 7.1 CT card to verify stuff, so could you post or PM me a microde dump from Epilog as used by your card?
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
this is what you need?

Code:
; Generated by kX DSP Editor - microcode dump
name "epilog";
copyright "(c) Eugene Gavrilov, 2008";
; NOTE The present DSP microcode dump is protected by the 
; license agreement bundled with the appropriate software 
; package containing this microcode,
; regardless the particular copyright notice is present in the dump.
engine "kX";
created "Apr 2008";
comment "24-bit capable epilog with SPDIF fix; $nobypass";
guid "ceffc302-ea28-44df-873f-d3df1ba31736";
; Registers
 temp tmpl, tmpr;
 static ROld=0x0, shr14=0x20000;
 control MasterL=0x127acb41, MasterR=0x127acb41;
 input out0, out1;
 control out0vol=0x20000000, out1vol=0x20000000;
 input out2, out3;
 control out2vol=0x20000000, out3vol=0x20000000;
 input out4, out5;
 control out4vol=0x20000000, out5vol=0x20000000;
 input out6, out7;
 control out6vol=0x20000000, out7vol=0x20000000;
 input out8, out9;
 control out8vol=0x20000000, out9vol=0x20000000;
 input out17, out18;
 control out17vol=0x20000000, out18vol=0x20000000;
 input out30, out31;
 control out30vol=0x20000000, out31vol=0x20000000;
 input RecL, RecR, asio0;
 input asio1, asio2, asio3;
 input asio4, asio5, asio6;
 input asio7, asio8, asio9;
 input asio10, asio11, asio12;
 input asio13, asio14, asio15;
 control RecIn0=0x0, RecIn2=0x0, RecIn4=0x0;
 control RecIn6=0x0, RecIn8=0x0, RecIn10=0x0;
 control RecIn12=0x0, RecIn1=0x0, RecIn3=0x0;
 control RecIn5=0x0, RecIn7=0x0, RecIn9=0x0;
 control RecIn11=0x0, RecIn13=0x0, RecLVol=0x80000000;
 control RecRVol=0x80000000
; Code
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out0,  out0vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x8),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out1,  out1vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x9),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x28),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x29),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out2,  out2vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x2),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  ROld,  out3vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x3),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macints   ROld,  out3,  0x0,  0x0;
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out4,  out4vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x4),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out5,  out5vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x5),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out6,  out6vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x6),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out7,  out7vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x7),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out8,  out8vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x0),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out9,  out9vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x1),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out17,  out17vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x11),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out18,  out18vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x12),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out30,  out30vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x30),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out31,  out31vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x31),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
  macs   KX_OUT(0x20),  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  macs   KX_OUT(0x21),  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  macs   KX_OUT(0x72),  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  macs   KX_OUT(0x73),  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  macs   KX_OUT(0x74),  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  macs   KX_OUT(0x75),  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x1),  0x0,  asio0,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio0,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x0),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x3),  0x0,  asio1,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio1,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x2),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x5),  0x0,  asio2,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio2,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x4),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x7),  0x0,  asio3,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio3,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x6),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x9),  0x0,  asio4,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio4,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x8),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0xb),  0x0,  asio5,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio5,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0xa),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0xd),  0x0,  asio6,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio6,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0xc),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0xf),  0x0,  asio7,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio7,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0xe),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x11),  0x0,  asio8,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio8,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x10),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x13),  0x0,  asio9,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio9,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x12),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x15),  0x0,  asio10,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio10,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x14),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x17),  0x0,  asio11,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio11,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x16),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x19),  0x0,  asio12,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio12,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x18),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x1b),  0x0,  asio13,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio13,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x1a),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x1d),  0x0,  asio14,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio14,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x1c),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macints   KX_FX2(0x1f),  0x0,  asio15,  0x4;
  macintw   tmpl,  0x0,  asio15,  shr14;
  macwn   KX_FX2(0x1e),  tmpl,  tmpl,  0x80000000;
  macs   tmpl,  RecL,  KX_IN(0x0),  RecIn0;
  macs   tmpl,  tmpl,  KX_IN(0x2),  RecIn2;
  macs   tmpl,  tmpl,  KX_IN(0x4),  RecIn4;
  macs   tmpl,  tmpl,  KX_IN(0x6),  RecIn6;
  macs   tmpl,  tmpl,  KX_IN(0x8),  RecIn8;
  macs   tmpl,  tmpl,  KX_IN(0xa),  RecIn10;
  macs   tmpl,  tmpl,  KX_IN(0xc),  RecIn12;
  macs   tmpr,  RecR,  KX_IN(0x1),  RecIn1;
  macs   tmpr,  tmpr,  KX_IN(0x3),  RecIn3;
  macs   tmpr,  tmpr,  KX_IN(0x5),  RecIn5;
  macs   tmpr,  tmpr,  KX_IN(0x7),  RecIn7;
  macs   tmpr,  tmpr,  KX_IN(0x9),  RecIn9;
  macs   tmpr,  tmpr,  KX_IN(0xb),  RecIn11;
  macs   tmpr,  tmpr,  KX_IN(0xd),  RecIn13;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  RecLVol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  RecRVol;
  macints   KX_OUT(0xa),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x4;
  macints   KX_OUT(0xb),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x4;
  acc3   0x0,  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
  acc3   0x0,  0x0,  0x0,  0x0;
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Hi Lex,

for my Audigy2Value SB0400 the 'Headphones Out' on k2lt appears on the both Side pins. Not tested on SB0350 A2ZS yet.


EDIT: On the A2ZS SB0350 the 'epiloglt_k2' I2s2_l and I2s2_r outputs appear on the both Side pins. On 'Epilog' the I2S 2 Left and I2S 2 Right (out30 and out31) appear on the Side pins.
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for my Audigy2Value SB0400 the 'Headphones Out' on k2lt appears on the both Side pins. Not tested on SB0350 A2ZS yet.


EDIT: On the A2ZS SB0350 the 'epiloglt_k2' I2s2_l and I2s2_r outputs appear on the both Side pins. On 'Epilog' the I2S 2 Left and I2S 2 Right (out30 and out31) appear on the Side pins.
Hey Trav,
Yes, all those many different card types with different output mappings are too 'mind boggling' to keep up with.
I don't think I'll ever support them all in kxlt plugin.
But who knows....
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  macs   tmpl,  0x0,  out30,  out30vol;
  macsn   tmpl,  0x0,  tmpl,  MasterL;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x30),  0x0,  tmpl,  0x10;
  macs   tmpr,  0x0,  out31,  out31vol;
  macsn   tmpr,  0x0,  tmpr,  MasterR;
  macints   KX_OUT(0x31),  0x0,  tmpr,  0x10;
BTW: This section of code (related to Out30/Out31) is currently used by epilog for all 10k2 models (except edsp cards).
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Sure, anyone can see this by looking at the da_epilog.cpp source code, but I just thought that maybe Lex had not looked at it lately, since he asked for the dump, so I thought I would mention it.
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Yes okay - maybe Lex has no kX-System running these days, I believe he said something like that...
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for my Audigy2Value SB0400 the 'Headphones Out' on k2lt appears on the both Side pins.
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Apart from "Headphone Out maps to Side pins" does everything else work OK in K2LT on your A2value(SB0400)?
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@dj_gutz,
OK, I have added those 'Side Outputs' to k2lt.
Download here;
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x.htm
Let me know if it works or not.

@anyone,
Please check if nothing 'got broken' in kxlt in regard to other cards 10k1, sb220, aps etc.
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Everything looks good here (SB0090 and SB0228).
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Re: Using Side Outputs With Kxlt?
'Headphones Out' doesn't this exist on external I/O drive thru I2S?i have a2zs platinum but no desktop platform available rightnow,so I can't test this fix.anyway,great effort,man.
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Apart from "Headphone Out maps to Side pins" does everything else work OK in K2LT on your A2value(SB0400)?
Yes and no. There is a general mapping issue with the driver due to a different chipset and different register usage on the A2V. All analog outs are mirrored on the physical digital outs and the digital outs on both k2lt and epilog are not working atm. Eugene is informed about.
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Yes and no. There is a general mapping issue with the driver due to a different chipset and different register usage on the A2V. All analog outs are mirrored on the physical digital outs and the digital outs on both k2lt and epilog are not working atm. Eugene is informed about.
I see.
Well, as you know, if driver/Epilog does not support the card fully then there's not much I can do.
Perhaps changing the Label from "Headphones" to "Side Outputs" or whatever,
but that's just cosmetics.

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Okay Lex,

just leave the plug as it is. Itīs fine. I believe, if Eugene has the time to go further with the driver, he will find a solution for a correct mapping, if the chipset is not too chaotic. Yesterday I found another issue with ASIO with the A2V, but this must be tested once again.

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