Custom Fxbus, Prolog, Epilog for Musicians

Lex Nahumury · Oct 10, 2003, 01:02 AM

Custom Fxbus, Prolog and Epilog for Musicians

In order to save precious dsp resources and in search for easier/faster
ways to re-route stuff I use my own 'custom' I/O dsp plugins to replace Fxbus, Prolog and Epilog.
(Like most musicians I never use xRouting, so that's one "resource eater" less to deal with)

Src
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxplugins/src.jpg
I combined Fxbus and Prolog into 'Src'(Source) since, from a user point of view, that is
were sound 'comes/originates' from. All sound sources from;
- every AC97 analog input,
- every Digital input,
- every Fxbus nr,
are direct selectable without having to re-route and going to xxx places.
One instance of 'Scr' uses 2 GPRs, and 2 Instr.
You can use multiple instances to serve your needs.
All 'kX Router' settings remain.
*Note:
(Src's principle shows a possability to develop Mixer strips etc.)

Eplg
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxplugins/eplg.jpg
I have choosen an 8-channel (is 4-stereo) topology for the 'Eplg',
which is enough for most needs and only uses 9 GPRs and 16 Instr.
But you can use multiple instances to serve your needs and still save GPRs.
You can route(assign) each of these 4 stereo "channels" to every thinkable output/destination
'on the fly' without the hazzle of re-routing/re-swapping etc.

For newbies;
By using such plugins you will (of course) loose practicly all slider functions of the 'kX Mixer'.
This is normal and even desirable for most (serious) musician purposes.
Even the 'dreaded' 'Swap rear/front' funtion is "killed".
"What you see is what you route", simply select 'Analog Rear' if you want sound to get there
without having to open 'kMixer->Master->Toggle swap rear'.

I'm very reluctant to release these plugins. (for several good reasons)
So I decided to post this info first and just see what comes.

If hardly anyone replies it's realy fine with me.
(saves me a lot of work to develop it into 'Finals')

/LeMury

P.S.
These presented plugins are NOT meant as replacements for the included FXbus, Prolog and Epilog!
This post is (probably) for musicians only..

Daniel Drummond · Oct 10, 2003, 01:23 AM

LeMury, those are really great!

I wasn't expecting something like that!

Great job! I'd really like to have those. And, by the way, I've got an Audigy 1 now running in my system, so I'll be able to really fill it up with effects! By the way, an interface just like that which allowed the user to select the effect he wanted, on the fly, would take your concept even further. But I don't know if this is even possible. Would be nice though! Please?

edwardar · Oct 10, 2003, 07:55 AM

Wow that looks great - especially for those of us who aren't scared of the DSP. I'd certainly use something like this in my DSP! It looks more intuative than the existing setup,

Ed

geraldandreas · Oct 10, 2003, 10:07 AM

looks great, im very interested to test it. nice weekend to all kx-users from vienna, regards gerald

admk · Oct 10, 2003, 10:21 AM

Bring'em on!

Seems a huge waste having such a big prolog and only using the AC97...

Forgive me for my dumbness, but does using less registers mean i can load more effect plugins or is that something different?

regards
admk

Chocolla · Oct 10, 2003, 11:46 AM

That's Great, I am Never use ASIO IN or OUT PUT But I want KX-DSP DO only i need.

dungle · Oct 10, 2003, 03:36 PM

It's a great development. I use another "pro" soundcard for asio and use a couple of SBlives
for realtime (zero latency) DSP and soundfonts. VST technology is great but you can't beat sample accurate effects for recording/monitoring. This is why KX is so important for musicians, I feel.
Having a DSP page stripped down with just the signal path I'm using is ideal.
keep up the good work!

HarmLammers · Oct 10, 2003, 09:45 PM

Great work, it makes the DSP window also much cleaner!

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Oct 10, 2003, 11:47 PM

nice idea!

a good supplemental to the 'lite' versions of the prolog/epilog

/E

kokoon · Oct 11, 2003, 03:59 PM

that would be GREAT!!! an you can arrange them anywhere you want them, no more software spaghetti effect! and it saves resources! PLEASE, give them to us!!!

MaxB · Oct 12, 2003, 08:53 AM

Totally agree with Kokoon

Aykroyd · Oct 12, 2003, 12:08 PM

Sweet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have only one question-when we can download it?

Lex Nahumury · Oct 12, 2003, 09:14 PM

Let's see;

Up untill now; ~180 views vs 10 user replies. (Eugene excluded..

)

Hmmm.. so I'm supposed to write for days programming stuff,
while ~170 out of ~180 ppl are to lame to even write a simple 1 line reply!
Swell..

Thanks guys, but 10 replies is to few.
Let's wait some more.

/LeMury

MaxB · Oct 12, 2003, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LeMury
Let's see;

Up untill now; ~180 views vs 10 user replies. (Eugene excluded.. )

Hmmm.. so I'm supposed to write for days programming stuff,
while ~170 out of ~180 ppl are to lame to even write a simple 1 line reply!
Swell..

Thanks guys, but 10 replies is to few.
Let's wait some more.

/LeMury

C'mon LeMury, we will be your beta testers! Other people will come soon

Lex Nahumury · Oct 12, 2003, 09:55 PM

>>C'mon LeMury, we will be your beta testers!

hehe..nice one..

>>Other people will come soon

Yep, let's wait for them

/LeMury

Aykroyd · Oct 13, 2003, 12:15 AM

I second MaxB's words
All I can say (I'm the mod in another forum-a bit of experiences)-it is a problem active versus passive users.
Nothing new mate.

What you have suggested is making music with the great kX simpler.
With less focus on technical issues.
I think it can make interest wider for all those people who didn't find how kX can be useful.

I'm an advanced computer user (not advancet musican) but kX still is a bit complicated for me yet-it needs to try,read and try again.
What a lot of people needs is simplicity.

You can compare it to the PC world: it started from complicated DOS and LATER the whole direction was for making it more friendly.
And this was the reason to make PC so popular.

Well to keep things short-c'mon, don't wait please

**Eugene Gavrilov** · Oct 13, 2003, 12:42 AM

>> while ~170 out of ~180 ppl are to lame to even write a simple 1 line reply

well, 5% is a great Response-per-view ratio!
(at least among our users

)

/E

Lex Nahumury · Oct 13, 2003, 03:16 AM

>>All I can say (I'm the mod in another forum-a bit of experiences)-it is a problem
>>active versus passive users. Nothing new mate.

I know. Time for a change I'd say.

>>well, 5% is a great Response-per-view ratio!
>>(at least among our users )

Yep, Pathetic isn't it?..

/LeMury

Daniel Drummond · Oct 13, 2003, 03:50 AM

Keep in mind that 10 user replies times 12 visits from each of this users (to read the other ones responser) totals 120 visits from the same 10 people... hehehe

Lex Nahumury · Oct 13, 2003, 04:32 AM

>>Keep in mind that 10 user replies times 12 visits from each of this users
>>(to read the other ones responser) totals 120 visits from the same 10 people... hehehe

Very smart Daniel..hehe, but that makes it even worse from a 'Nr. of Views' point of view doesn't it?

/LeMury

Daniel Drummond · Oct 13, 2003, 04:54 AM

Yes, but if that is tru it means that there aren't many users (quantity) willing to check this out and contribute, but the ones which exist are really going for it (quality). Well, don't blame me for trying to make your mind!!! hehe

Lex Nahumury · Oct 13, 2003, 05:10 AM

>>Well, don't blame me for trying to make your mind!!! hehe

ROFL..Daniel...

dungle · Oct 13, 2003, 07:26 AM

10 dedicated disciples is far better than 1000 lame disinterested lurkers, so to hell with them, just do it anyway, LeMury!

JoshuaChang · Oct 13, 2003, 08:17 AM

i like this very much

Lex Nahumury · Oct 13, 2003, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dungle
10 dedicated disciples is far better than 1000 lame disinterested lurkers, so to hell with them, just do it anyway, LeMury!

Ahhh,..finaly someone who dares to call things by there names!!!
Yes, I've almost had about 'it' with all those Ungratefull Lurking Leaches on this forum.

Ok, that's good enough for me.
I will note the names of you guys who have replied (others can Kiss my A..)
and start developing working versions for the different card types/livedrives ya'll use.

Post your card type/drive here so I know what ya'll use.

/LeMury

Aykroyd · Oct 13, 2003, 09:59 AM

Sweet !!!

Mine is Audigy 2

Quote:

10 dedicated disciples is far better than 1000 lame disinterested lurkers, so to hell with them, just do it anyway, LeMury!

Definitely
It is also very typical for people who whave nothing to say and want to increase a post counter to give responses like "Thanx", "fine", "I don't know" etc.
Don't bother lamers

BTW-few month ago I've seen in the newsgroup owned by Microsoft a poll about new product
I don't remember exactly but I've seen about 100 answers
For 100 millions od MS users it gives US a better ratio, right?

NightBreed · Oct 13, 2003, 10:15 AM

Will these work in conjunction with your MX6 pluggin as well LeMury? All it's going to be great to be able to just have a plug and go for external instruments. Specialy with guitars and keyboards. Heck keep these kinds of plug-ins going and we wont need to have the DSP resizeable.

I use an Audigy 1 by the way.

great plug-ins as always

,,, 0.- ,,,Peace

MaxB · Oct 13, 2003, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LeMury
I will note the names of you guys who have replied (others can Kiss my A..)
and start developing working versions for the different card types/livedrives ya'll use.
Post your card type/drive here so I know what ya'll use.
/LeMury

Ok: My nick is MAXB. Repeat: M A X B

My card it's SBLive! CT4760

Thanks LeMury!

geraldandreas · Oct 13, 2003, 11:49 AM

Hello, i`m geraldandreas and my cards are SB0090 and SB0092. Thanks for all, regards, geri

dungle · Oct 13, 2003, 12:14 PM

I thought I was just being ironic, but what the heck: I have multicard PC which includes SB0060 (kX) plus CT4760 (creative). I will ditch the creative drivers on the second card just as soon as SF handling improves some more.
cheers

Oct 10, 2003, 01:02 AM	#1
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	Custom Fxbus, Prolog, Epilog for Musicians Custom Fxbus, Prolog and Epilog for Musicians In order to save precious dsp resources and in search for easier/faster ways to re-route stuff I use my own 'custom' I/O dsp plugins to replace Fxbus, Prolog and Epilog. (Like most musicians I never use xRouting, so that's one "resource eater" less to deal with) Src http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxplugins/src.jpg I combined Fxbus and Prolog into 'Src'(Source) since, from a user point of view, that is were sound 'comes/originates' from. All sound sources from; - every AC97 analog input, - every Digital input, - every Fxbus nr, are direct selectable without having to re-route and going to xxx places. One instance of 'Scr' uses 2 GPRs, and 2 Instr. You can use multiple instances to serve your needs. All 'kX Router' settings remain. Note: (Src's principle shows a possability to develop Mixer strips etc.) Eplg* http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxplugins/eplg.jpg I have choosen an 8-channel (is 4-stereo) topology for the 'Eplg', which is enough for most needs and only uses 9 GPRs and 16 Instr. But you can use multiple instances to serve your needs and still save GPRs. You can route(assign) each of these 4 stereo "channels" to every thinkable output/destination 'on the fly' without the hazzle of re-routing/re-swapping etc. For newbies; By using such plugins you will (of course) loose practicly all slider functions of the 'kX Mixer'. This is normal and even desirable for most (serious) musician purposes. Even the 'dreaded' 'Swap rear/front' funtion is "killed". "What you see is what you route", simply select 'Analog Rear' if you want sound to get there without having to open 'kMixer->Master->Toggle swap rear'. I'm very reluctant to release these plugins. (for several good reasons) So I decided to post this info first and just see what comes. If hardly anyone replies it's realy fine with me. (saves me a lot of work to develop it into 'Finals') /LeMury P.S. These presented plugins are NOT meant as replacements for the included FXbus, Prolog and Epilog! This post is (probably) for musicians only..

Oct 10, 2003, 01:23 AM	#2
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	LeMury, those are really great! I wasn't expecting something like that! Great job! I'd really like to have those. And, by the way, I've got an Audigy 1 now running in my system, so I'll be able to really fill it up with effects! By the way, an interface just like that which allowed the user to select the effect he wanted, on the fly, would take your concept even further. But I don't know if this is even possible. Would be nice though! Please? __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed Last edited by Daniel Drummond; Oct 10, 2003 at 01:29 AM.

Oct 10, 2003, 10:07 AM	#4
geraldandreas KX-Driver Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: in the heart of EU, near vienna Posts: 241 Rep Power: 0	looks great, im very interested to test it. nice weekend to all kx-users from vienna, regards gerald __________________ Gerald 1; Core2-Q9450, x38-Mobo, 2048mb, 2x SATA-HD, SB0092+LD, XP/sp3

Oct 11, 2003, 03:59 PM	#10
kokoon DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: slovenia Posts: 269 Rep Power: 0	that would be GREAT!!! an you can arrange them anywhere you want them, no more software spaghetti effect! and it saves resources! PLEASE, give them to us!!! __________________ [kokoon]

Oct 13, 2003, 03:50 AM	#19
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Keep in mind that 10 user replies times 12 visits from each of this users (to read the other ones responser) totals 120 visits from the same 10 people... hehehe __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Oct 10, 2003, 07:55 AM	#3
edwardar HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 0	Wow that looks great - especially for those of us who aren't scared of the DSP. I'd certainly use something like this in my DSP! It looks more intuative than the existing setup, Ed

Oct 10, 2003, 10:21 AM	#5
admk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	Bring'em on! Seems a huge waste having such a big prolog and only using the AC97... Forgive me for my dumbness, but does using less registers mean i can load more effect plugins or is that something different? regards admk

Oct 10, 2003, 11:46 AM	#6
Chocolla DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 33 Rep Power: 0	That's Great, I am Never use ASIO IN or OUT PUT But I want KX-DSP DO only i need.

Oct 10, 2003, 03:36 PM	#7
dungle DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 120 Rep Power: 0	It's a great development. I use another "pro" soundcard for asio and use a couple of SBlives for realtime (zero latency) DSP and soundfonts. VST technology is great but you can't beat sample accurate effects for recording/monitoring. This is why KX is so important for musicians, I feel. Having a DSP page stripped down with just the signal path I'm using is ideal. keep up the good work!

Oct 10, 2003, 09:45 PM	#8
HarmLammers DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 68 Rep Power: 0	Great work, it makes the DSP window also much cleaner!

Oct 10, 2003, 11:47 PM	#9
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	nice idea! a good supplemental to the 'lite' versions of the prolog/epilog /E

Oct 12, 2003, 08:53 AM	#11
MaxB DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 39 Rep Power: 0	Totally agree with Kokoon

Oct 12, 2003, 12:08 PM	#12
Aykroyd HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 0	Sweet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have only one question-when we can download it?

Oct 12, 2003, 09:14 PM	Thread Starter #13
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	Let's see; Up untill now; ~180 views vs 10 user replies. (Eugene excluded.. ) Hmmm.. so I'm supposed to write for days programming stuff, while ~170 out of ~180 ppl are to lame to even write a simple 1 line reply! Swell.. Thanks guys, but 10 replies is to few. Let's wait some more. /LeMury

Oct 12, 2003, 09:55 PM	Thread Starter #15
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	>>C'mon LeMury, we will be your beta testers! hehe..nice one.. >>Other people will come soon Yep, let's wait for them /LeMury

Oct 13, 2003, 12:15 AM	#16
Aykroyd HardwareHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 0	I second MaxB's words All I can say (I'm the mod in another forum-a bit of experiences)-it is a problem active versus passive users. Nothing new mate. What you have suggested is making music with the great kX simpler. With less focus on technical issues. I think it can make interest wider for all those people who didn't find how kX can be useful. I'm an advanced computer user (not advancet musican) but kX still is a bit complicated for me yet-it needs to try,read and try again. What a lot of people needs is simplicity. You can compare it to the PC world: it started from complicated DOS and LATER the whole direction was for making it more friendly. And this was the reason to make PC so popular. Well to keep things short-c'mon, don't wait please

Oct 13, 2003, 12:42 AM	#17
Eugene Gavrilov kX Project Lead Programmer and Coordinator Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 3,119 Rep Power: 75	>> while ~170 out of ~180 ppl are to lame to even write a simple 1 line reply well, 5% is a great Response-per-view ratio! (at least among our users ) /E

Oct 13, 2003, 03:16 AM	Thread Starter #18
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	>>All I can say (I'm the mod in another forum-a bit of experiences)-it is a problem >>active versus passive users. Nothing new mate. I know. Time for a change I'd say. >>well, 5% is a great Response-per-view ratio! >>(at least among our users ) Yep, Pathetic isn't it?.. /LeMury

Oct 13, 2003, 04:32 AM	Thread Starter #20
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	>>Keep in mind that 10 user replies times 12 visits from each of this users >>(to read the other ones responser) totals 120 visits from the same 10 people... hehehe Very smart Daniel..hehe, but that makes it even worse from a 'Nr. of Views' point of view doesn't it? /LeMury

Oct 13, 2003, 04:54 AM	#21
Daniel Drummond DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,137 Rep Power: 0	Yes, but if that is tru it means that there aren't many users (quantity) willing to check this out and contribute, but the ones which exist are really going for it (quality). Well, don't blame me for trying to make your mind!!! hehe __________________ www.palcomp3.com.br/ed

Oct 13, 2003, 05:10 AM	Thread Starter #22
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,932 Rep Power: 64	>>Well, don't blame me for trying to make your mind!!! hehe ROFL..Daniel...

Oct 13, 2003, 07:26 AM	#23
dungle DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 120 Rep Power: 0	10 dedicated disciples is far better than 1000 lame disinterested lurkers, so to hell with them, just do it anyway, LeMury!

Oct 13, 2003, 08:17 AM	#24
JoshuaChang HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 127 Rep Power: 0	grerat job i like this very much __________________ lumetools.blogspot.com

Oct 13, 2003, 10:15 AM	#27
NightBreed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 380 Rep Power: 0	Will these work in conjunction with your MX6 pluggin as well LeMury? All it's going to be great to be able to just have a plug and go for external instruments. Specialy with guitars and keyboards. Heck keep these kinds of plug-ins going and we wont need to have the DSP resizeable. I use an Audigy 1 by the way. great plug-ins as always ,,, 0.- ,,,Peace

Oct 13, 2003, 11:49 AM	#29
geraldandreas KX-Driver Lover Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: in the heart of EU, near vienna Posts: 241 Rep Power: 0	Cards Type Hello, i`m geraldandreas and my cards are SB0090 and SB0092. Thanks for all, regards, geri __________________ Gerald 1; Core2-Q9450, x38-Mobo, 2048mb, 2x SATA-HD, SB0092+LD, XP/sp3

Oct 13, 2003, 12:14 PM	#30
dungle DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 120 Rep Power: 0	I thought I was just being ironic, but what the heck: I have multicard PC which includes SB0060 (kX) plus CT4760 (creative). I will ditch the creative drivers on the second card just as soon as SF handling improves some more. cheers