NEW: ProFx (3538) Update Incl. MX6 and AC97

ROBSCIX · Mar 17, 2006, 11:00 PM

Lex have you ever considered skinning the lesser apps? making them slick looking. I know you did some of the bigger ones like Chorus and reverblt...I am talking about surrounder and others that are in the default set up etc...it's abummer having only some of your plugs skinned and looking cool and the others are flat grey windows style....though I appreciate having the nice looking ones..I think other would help if it was just a matter of doing some bitmaps or such...Thx for everything..

SUN · Mar 21, 2006, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Nahumury

On request;
ProFx v3.06 compiled for 3534..!!

Have fun,

/Lex.

PS: THIS WILL NOT WORK ON ANY 3538..!

I will not give up!!!

SUN

Thanks Lex!

P.S.: APS Compressor+ for 3534f? and is the Noise Gate 2Ts in the standart package?

Lex Nahumury · Mar 21, 2006, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUN

I will not give up!!!
P.S.: APS Compressor+ for 3534f? and is the Noise Gate 2Ts in the standart package?

There is a Dynamic Processor from Eyagos for 3534 available.
(much better then the APS cmp+).
I don't have a Noise Gate 2Ts for 3534 (can be re-compiled of course),
but I have my own Noise gate plugin that I mainly use for electric guitar.

/Lex.

thomasabarnes · Mar 24, 2006, 08:11 AM

Lex:

3534f MX8:

It seems that only one preset can be saved. When I save one and try to save another one, the 1st one I made gets overwritten. Is it only possible to save 1 preset with MX8?

Lex Nahumury · Mar 24, 2006, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

Lex:

3534f MX8:

It seems that only one preset can be saved. When I save one and try to save another one, the 1st one I made gets overwritten. Is it only possible to save 1 preset with MX8?

How about reading;
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x_3534.htm

.

thomasabarnes · Mar 24, 2006, 10:04 AM

Awl heck, man. I read that and forgot!

OK

Lex Nahumury · Mar 27, 2006, 03:06 PM

Added on request;

Noise Gate

ProFx v3.07 compiled for 3534..!!
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x_3534.htm

/Lex.
PS: THIS WILL NOT WORK ON ANY 3538..!

Russ · Mar 27, 2006, 05:06 PM

I would suggest adding the gate to the 3538j version as well, as not everyone can easily use 3534 (i.e. support issues). It might be good to allow for higher attack times, as that can be fun for volume swells, etc. Also, a stereo version with a stereo-link option would be great.

ROBSCIX · Mar 27, 2006, 06:59 PM

I second that motion! Can you please add this to the ProFX for 3538j?

Lex Nahumury · Mar 27, 2006, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

.., as not everyone can easily use 3534 (i.e. support issues).

Now that you mention, what exactly are these 'support issues' for those newer cards?
(i don't follow those posts since they are mostly multi-media/game related and I try avoid the general section as much as possible)
I mean, is it 'just' a matter of unknown (output) codecs and some hw switches as with your card?

To put it differenlty;
It wouldn't surprise me if 34f could be brought up to the same card compat level as 38j
through some 'adaption' code in kxlt or whatever, without the expilcit need for kernel level driver changes.
But I could be wrong here.

Russ · Mar 27, 2006, 07:53 PM

I am sure most cards could work with 3534f, it is just that most people could not do it themselves, so it is not a simple matter for them, until such plugins are available.

Maddogg6 · Mar 27, 2006, 08:04 PM

I see in the change log a few things I consider important was added for 3537:

Quote:

Fixed bug with AC-3 Passthru on Audigy2-based boards
Improved RemoteIR support (I use mine, btw)
Improved MIDI UART IRQ handling
Major SoundFont memory management improvement (support for large SoundFonts added)
Some SoundFont-related optimizations (voice management engine)
Improved UART Input/Output

Those alone (theres more tho too) compel me to stay with 3538J.. As, I still don't see KX Synths as useless personally, and you admitted the KX synth attack issues had been inproved from older KX versions - or thats how in I understood this post:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showpost...1&postcount=20

So it seems theres been significant A2 card support. And the verbage used in the change log doesnt tell me the extent of the improvements.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 27, 2006, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

I am sure most cards could work with 3534f, it is just that most people could not do it themselves, so it is not a simple matter for them, until such plugins are available.

Hmm,..You didn't understand my question.
Of course I don't expect people to do it themselves.
I, we (or whoever) would do that, hence the question.

So,..is the majority 'just' a matter of outputs not working, unknown codecs and hw switches?
(just as it was with your card)
Or is there more to it?

Lex Nahumury · Mar 27, 2006, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maddogg6

Those alone (theres more tho too) compel me to stay with 3538J.. As, I still don't see KX Synths as useless personally, and you admitted the KX synth attack issues had been inproved from older KX versions - or thats how in I understood this post:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/showpost...1&postcount=20

So it seems theres been significant A2 card support. And the verbage used in the change log doesnt tell me the extent of the improvements.

Sure.
Just add "Same ASIO performance as 3534" to that list of improvements and I'll join you right away.

Russ · Mar 27, 2006, 08:34 PM

Well, I can only speak for my card, and I haven't tested everything out with it as of yet, but I think that would be the main compatibility issue.

The only other issue I know of (again from testing with my card) is that certain kxmixer options might change the wrong hardware parameter when used. i.e. DOO mode, I have no idea what parameter it is actually changing (causes all kinds of noise), but it is not the correct one for my card, so certain kxmixer options would have to be avoided, and only enabled through other plugins.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 27, 2006, 09:00 PM

Ok. I'll probably PM you about it sometime.

thomasabarnes · Mar 28, 2006, 02:22 AM

Lex:

Thanks for the ProFX: Noise Gate. It's a great lil' plugin.

EDIT:

Oh yeah a stereo featured Noise Gate would surely be outstanding. I can't use the current proFX on a stereo output like wave 0/1 without losing the stereo charateristic. And without a noise gate on the wave output/s I still hear the noise floor. It's gone in the actual recording I do from the physical inputs, but it's there in my speaker outputs.

Heck, even if you released a stereo noise gate, I'll probably miss it. I'm loosing my Internet for sure. I'll call them to stop the service on the 30th or 31st. But, when or if I return, it would be cool to see a stereo version, if you know what I mean.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 28, 2006, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomasabarnes

I can't use the current proFX on a stereo output like wave 0/1 without losing the stereo charateristic. And without a noise gate on the wave output/s I still hear the noise floor. It's gone in the actual recording I do from the physical inputs, but it's there in my speaker outputs.

"Noise floor" from a FxBuss output???
That is not possible.
If you hear any noise coming from any FXbuss output,
it is caused by whatever plays back to that fxbuss.
Best to check where the noise originates from and solve it there if possible.
FIY:
Within the DSP itself, Reverbs and filters *can* generate noise by design.

HTH

thomasabarnes · Mar 28, 2006, 01:58 PM

Thanks Lex:

My problem was the mic boost enabled. I need a pre-amp, and that will be solved.

ReWired · Apr 6, 2006, 08:07 PM

@ Lex:
I found strange "bugs" in your NoiseGate for 3534f.
Somehow "automation" for Hold, Attack and Release works very strange.
I am using external gear + software to send CC to kX Control, and then to Noise Gate.
First I must tell that with other plugins, which comes with installation, there is no such problem.
I saw it only in Noise Gate for now, didn't check it with MX6 yet.
So, for Threshold and Delta - everything is fine.
For other 3 ones:
when I turn the knob on the external gear - the slider moves to bottom, and the value meter shows negative numbers, and there is no sound out from Noise Gate.
So, turning knob to "min" - puts down the slider, and gives it "-1,00" value
tuning knob to "max" - slider is up with value "-0,01".
Moving manually the sliders AFTER using the external gear has no other results, all is the same ( from -0,01 to -1,00)
Using Reset fixes the situation (there is sound and positive values).
This happens only with Hold, Attack and Release.
Giving the Hold negative values perhaps "kills" the whole sound.

Lex Nahumury · Apr 6, 2006, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ReWired

@ Lex:
I found strange "bugs" in your NoiseGate for 3534f.
Somehow "automation" for Hold, Attack and Release works very strange.

Ah yes, I see I forgot to update/check it's automation code.
No big deal, I'll fix that.
Thanks for reporting,

/Lex.

Doug W · Apr 7, 2006, 01:26 AM

Had graphic problems with ProFX 3.07 for 3534f.

It is the computer in my signature with XP Pro Service pack 2
graphics set at
Highest (32 bit), 1024 x 768
http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/images/all-307.jpg

Lex Nahumury · Apr 7, 2006, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug W

Had graphic problems with ProFX 3.07 for 3534f.

It is the computer in my signature with XP Pro Service pack 2
graphics set at
Highest (32 bit), 1024 x 768

Now you have it on XP too?
That is too weird.

Anyone else?

ReWired · Apr 7, 2006, 02:35 AM

I am using XP SP2, but with 800x600, and never had this problem....

Lex Nahumury · Apr 7, 2006, 02:51 AM

Hmm,..Yeah, I just installed SP2 too, NVIDIA (32 bit), 1024 x 768.
No problems here either.

Doug, you did delete (or moce it elswere) the old 3.06 kxl, right?
And registered the 3.07 and not moved it's location afterwards, right?

Doug W · Apr 7, 2006, 05:40 AM

AHA! User stupidity!

The problem was that I had left one old plugin of the earlier version in each DSP, 98SE and XP. So I just cleared the DSP, deleted the 306 KXL and registered the new one and now it is working fine in 98SE and I'm sure it will in XP too.

http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/images/307isFINE.jpg

Thanks for the help,
Doug

Russ · Apr 7, 2006, 06:10 AM

I noticed a minor issue with the ADC plugin:
When you disable the "Enable Rec Source" option of the ADC plugin, it does not flush it's output. It mutes the source, but continues to output its last value indefinatley (visible on the built in peak meter, and/or seperate peak meters).

-Russ

Lex Nahumury · Apr 7, 2006, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doug W

AHA! User stupidity!

The problem was that I had left one old plugin of the earlier version in each DSP, 98SE and XP. So I just cleared the DSP, deleted the 306 KXL and registered the new one and now it is working fine in 98SE and I'm sure it will in XP too.

Ok.

Lex Nahumury · Apr 7, 2006, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

I noticed a minor issue with the ADC plugin:
When you disable the "Enable Rec Source" option of the ADC plugin, it does not flush it's output. It mutes the source, but continues to output its last value indefinatley (visible on the built in peak meter, and/or seperate peak meters).

I can't reproduce the anomalie you describe.
It is probably card/codec type related.
ADC plugin accesses the hardware in a 'generic' way.(ac97 spec)

Russ · Apr 7, 2006, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lex Nahumury

I can't reproduce the anomalie you describe.
It is probably card/codec type related.
ADC plugin accesses the hardware in a 'generic' way.(ac97 spec)

Ok, I tested with 'prolog' and it does do the same thing when I mute 'Analog Recording Gain', so you are probably right about it being card/codec type related. Sorry for any confusion, I had not noticed it before.

-Russ

Mar 24, 2006, 08:11 AM	#484
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Lex: 3534f MX8: It seems that only one preset can be saved. When I save one and try to save another one, the 1st one I made gets overwritten. Is it only possible to save 1 preset with MX8? __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Mar 24, 2006, 10:04 AM	#486
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Awl heck, man. I read that and forgot! OK __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Mar 28, 2006, 02:22 AM	#497
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Lex: Thanks for the ProFX: Noise Gate. It's a great lil' plugin. EDIT: Oh yeah a stereo featured Noise Gate would surely be outstanding. I can't use the current proFX on a stereo output like wave 0/1 without losing the stereo charateristic. And without a noise gate on the wave output/s I still hear the noise floor. It's gone in the actual recording I do from the physical inputs, but it's there in my speaker outputs. Heck, even if you released a stereo noise gate, I'll probably miss it. I'm loosing my Internet for sure. I'll call them to stop the service on the 30th or 31st. But, when or if I return, it would be cool to see a stereo version, if you know what I mean. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; Mar 28, 2006 at 03:03 AM.

Mar 28, 2006, 01:58 PM	#499
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,373 Rep Power: 58 System Specs	Thanks Lex: My problem was the mic boost enabled. I need a pre-amp, and that will be solved. __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. Sonar 8.5.3 PE, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB HDD 7200 rpm, My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs

Mar 17, 2006, 11:00 PM	#481
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Lex have you ever considered skinning the lesser apps? making them slick looking. I know you did some of the bigger ones like Chorus and reverblt...I am talking about surrounder and others that are in the default set up etc...it's abummer having only some of your plugs skinned and looking cool and the others are flat grey windows style....though I appreciate having the nice looking ones..I think other would help if it was just a matter of doing some bitmaps or such...Thx for everything..

Mar 27, 2006, 03:06 PM	Thread Starter #487
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	Added on request; Noise Gate ProFx v3.07 compiled for 3534..!! http://members.home.nl/nahutec/ProFx/profx3x_3534.htm /Lex. PS: THIS WILL NOT WORK ON ANY 3538..!

Mar 27, 2006, 05:06 PM	#488
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	I would suggest adding the gate to the 3538j version as well, as not everyone can easily use 3534 (i.e. support issues). It might be good to allow for higher attack times, as that can be fun for volume swells, etc. Also, a stereo version with a stereo-link option would be great.

Mar 27, 2006, 06:59 PM	#489
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	I second that motion! Can you please add this to the ProFX for 3538j?

Mar 27, 2006, 07:53 PM	#491
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	I am sure most cards could work with 3534f, it is just that most people could not do it themselves, so it is not a simple matter for them, until such plugins are available.

Mar 27, 2006, 08:34 PM	#495
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	Well, I can only speak for my card, and I haven't tested everything out with it as of yet, but I think that would be the main compatibility issue. The only other issue I know of (again from testing with my card) is that certain kxmixer options might change the wrong hardware parameter when used. i.e. DOO mode, I have no idea what parameter it is actually changing (causes all kinds of noise), but it is not the correct one for my card, so certain kxmixer options would have to be avoided, and only enabled through other plugins.

Mar 27, 2006, 09:00 PM	Thread Starter #496
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	Ok. I'll probably PM you about it sometime.

Apr 6, 2006, 08:07 PM	#500
ReWired HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	@ Lex: I found strange "bugs" in your NoiseGate for 3534f. Somehow "automation" for Hold, Attack and Release works very strange. I am using external gear + software to send CC to kX Control, and then to Noise Gate. First I must tell that with other plugins, which comes with installation, there is no such problem. I saw it only in Noise Gate for now, didn't check it with MX6 yet. So, for Threshold and Delta - everything is fine. For other 3 ones: when I turn the knob on the external gear - the slider moves to bottom, and the value meter shows negative numbers, and there is no sound out from Noise Gate. So, turning knob to "min" - puts down the slider, and gives it "-1,00" value tuning knob to "max" - slider is up with value "-0,01". Moving manually the sliders AFTER using the external gear has no other results, all is the same ( from -0,01 to -1,00) Using Reset fixes the situation (there is sound and positive values). This happens only with Hold, Attack and Release. Giving the Hold negative values perhaps "kills" the whole sound.

Apr 7, 2006, 01:26 AM	#502
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	Had graphic problems with ProFX 3.07 for 3534f. It is the computer in my signature with XP Pro Service pack 2 graphics set at Highest (32 bit), 1024 x 768 http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/images/all-307.jpg

Apr 7, 2006, 02:35 AM	#504
ReWired HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 0	I am using XP SP2, but with 800x600, and never had this problem....

Apr 7, 2006, 02:51 AM	Thread Starter #505
Lex Nahumury DH Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,930 Rep Power: 62	Hmm,..Yeah, I just installed SP2 too, NVIDIA (32 bit), 1024 x 768. No problems here either. Doug, you did delete (or moce it elswere) the old 3.06 kxl, right? And registered the 3.07 and not moved it's location afterwards, right?

Apr 7, 2006, 05:40 AM	#506
Doug W HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Montevideo, MN USA Posts: 973 Rep Power: 0	AHA! User stupidity! The problem was that I had left one old plugin of the earlier version in each DSP, 98SE and XP. So I just cleared the DSP, deleted the 306 KXL and registered the new one and now it is working fine in 98SE and I'm sure it will in XP too. http://www.maxminn.com/emily40/images/307isFINE.jpg Thanks for the help, Doug

Apr 7, 2006, 06:10 AM	#507
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	I noticed a minor issue with the ADC plugin: When you disable the "Enable Rec Source" option of the ADC plugin, it does not flush it's output. It mutes the source, but continues to output its last value indefinatley (visible on the built in peak meter, and/or seperate peak meters). -Russ