NEW: ProFx (3538) Update Incl. MX6 and AC97

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2005, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

i can test on an SB0102 model - similiar to the SB0060 card

aha, good! Does kxlt also crashes on that model?

/LeMury

**dj_stick** · Mar 15, 2005, 05:26 AM

i'll be able to test tomorrow when i bring the files into school

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2005, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

i'll be able to test tomorrow when i bring the files into school

What am I talking? I'm coding on a SB0102 5.1 right here..!!
(time to go to bed..)
Hmm,.... how come no one else reported kxlt crashes,
and why doesn't it crash on my sb0102 if, like you say, it's identical???
(Really time to go to bed..)

/LeMury

ROBSCIX · Mar 15, 2005, 05:35 AM

Yeah I figured the dialog would be alot of work to implement, it's just I really liked the dark look..theme you had going on gave the plugins a very professional look..quite nice...I would still use the plugins red green or blue....But sometimes I like to leave things on the desktop...Nice work regardless of the color..very impressive...did you give any thought into doing the rest of the plugins set in the same type of "theme" such as surrounder..etc.....give KX a nice Cohesive look...

Lex Nahumury · Mar 15, 2005, 05:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

The only thing I noticed that is a little strange is that if you highlight the channel name (in MX6), and click outside of that box (i.e. click on a slider or in another channel name box, etc) That the channel name stays highlighted. So if you select one, and then go into the box for another channel name and select it, both channels names are highlighted, you can repeat the process and have all the channel names highlighted at the same time. The only ways to clear the highlighting, is to go back in the channel name boxes and de-select the text, or use the reset button, or close the plugin window.

-Russ

Confirmed and fixed.

BODYPRINT · Mar 15, 2005, 06:32 AM

I changed the colours using Reshack, but I can't change the colour under the text so it ended up looking a bit silly. But it only took about half an hour to reskin MX6 to a XPish blue colour.

peate · Mar 15, 2005, 04:18 PM

I'm willing to test the plug-ins on my SB0060 but I want to be sure I can revert back to the older versions if my card stops working. I did try the AC97 and SRC plug ins last week and no problems with them.

The red is a bit harsh at first, but I'm sure I could get used to it. I love the new mixer. Thanks LeMury.

Pierre

BiCho · Mar 15, 2005, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeMury

I've fixed most bugs users have reported so far except 'your' sb0060 issue.
Since I don't have a sb0060 to test I just mailed you some stuff.

/LeMury

already used the file you sent me and it worked fine on SB0060!

I could try it too, on a CT4670, later this week, and I'll let you know if it works...

John Lodge · Mar 15, 2005, 06:05 PM

LeMury

One feature that occurs to me (because) I have used it so often in other contexts (not in kX), it the slider attenuation setting. At present this is an output field showing the result in dB.

But there are often situations when it would be useful for it to be an input field: to key in the desired gain. That is the field ends up being an I/O field either showing the gain set by the slider or the gain overriden by keyentry.

...John

peate · Mar 18, 2005, 07:38 PM

Was the SB0060 bug ever fixed? I'd like to give that mixer a try.
Thanks.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 18, 2005, 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peate

Was the SB0060 bug ever fixed? I'd like to give that mixer a try.
Thanks.

Yes, but I haven't released an updated ProFX pack yet as you can read in the thread's header.

/LeMury

smasha · Mar 18, 2005, 10:04 PM

I have the new src connected to the Kxlt for music listening and can only get the left channel.

land r of src connected to out 1 and 2 of kxlt.

P.S. -I don't know what happened ,but it seems to be working now.

I found some ct entries in windows that I deleted(experimented with the pax drivers and came back to earth with the good ole kx drivers-still the best for music)

TemporarySaint · Mar 26, 2005, 08:05 AM

LeMury...

Great work, your efforts are most appreciated.. Love the per channel Meters and I like the red

My Card is 0090 W/livedrive2 and I have not expreienced any issues with the new set of ProFX except one...

I was hearing a strange cancellation in the output of MX6 when ever I would try to bring up the Send for Aux 2 on Channel 3. To rule out the FX as the problem (was APS compressor) I just ran lines in the DSP from the Output of AUX 2 directly into channel 6. At the same time I also ran line from AUX 1 out to Channel 5. In testing both, it seems AUX 1 works as it should and when I bring up the AUX 1 send on channel 3 the MX6 Mains output increases. If I bring up the Aux 2 Send on Channel 3, the volume decreases and all the lowend is gone... almost sounds like phone quality. It not Phasing because I'm double feeding the Master bus because if I leave channel 3 enabled but turn off the send to mains.... the sound coming back in from Aux 2 still sounds terrible...

Thanks so Much for your great work!

Temp

**dj_stick** · Mar 26, 2005, 09:13 AM

test report: the kXlt module works fine on the SB0102 card

Lex Nahumury · Mar 26, 2005, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TemporarySaint

I was hearing a strange cancellation in the output of MX6 when ever I would try to bring up the Send for Aux 2 on Channel 3.

To rule out the FX as the problem ... I just ran lines in the DSP from the Output of AUX 2 directly into channel 6.

Hello,

Strange. I can not seem to reproduce this behaviour.
Anyone else experience the same problem?

Btw; When you did 'your direct connection test', did you really connect the Send Outputs
directly to the Channel Inputs?
That is; as soon as you insert just one other plugin, the DSP will cause at least 1/48000 sec
execution delay which may cause phase cancelation.

Anyway; I'll have a closer look at the code to rule out stuff.
Keep me posted.

/LeMury

Lex Nahumury · Mar 26, 2005, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dj_stick

test report: the kXlt module works fine on the SB0102 card

Thanks DJ. Yep same here on my sb0102.
However, as mentioned in the header, I've found and fixed a bug in kxlt code which probably showed up on certain sb0060 cards and probably other cards as well.

/LeMury

miguel · Mar 26, 2005, 11:20 AM

LeMury, just let me know through pm whenever you want to troubleshoot the aps bug in src I mentioned before. Basically A1/A2 isn't there in the list, it should be the first in the list, maybe that's an indicator.

Lex Nahumury · Mar 26, 2005, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by miguel

LeMury, just let me know through pm whenever you want to troubleshoot the aps bug in src I mentioned before. Basically A1/A2 isn't there in the list, it should be the first in the list, maybe that's an indicator.

I already fixed that along with some other bugs Miquel.
I just did not yet release an updated pack.

/LeMury

TemporarySaint · Mar 27, 2005, 07:47 AM

Hi LeMury,

Thanks for the response. As for your question, yes, for my test I ran directly from A2 out to Channel 6 in with no plugin between to make sure it was not a phase cancellation that I was hearing because thats what it really sounds like to me.... but if it were a true phase cancellation then taking the original signal out of the mains bus would get rid of it but it doesnt in fact it makes it worse because there is no longer direct signal mixed in and all I hear is the return from A2, which for lack of a better discription sounds phase canceled. If there is any test I can run for you just let me know... and if there are any other Kx users that can reproduce this, it would be helpful I'm sure to determine if it the plugin or my system causing the problem.

Thanks Again!
Temp

EDIT-- In doing more tests... its only the Main bus affected... the record bus works as it should. So, if I route the record output to my monitors, then in MX6 have channel 3, 5 & 6 all sending to the record bus and bring up the A2 send, I get a volume increase and no quality reduction. If I do the same using the Main bus, I get the weird cancellation. Hope this helps.

Tril · Mar 30, 2005, 03:35 AM

It's great. I wanted to use the mic and line in at the same time.

I think I found a bug. At least there's a problem here on my CT4832 10k1. Here's what happen :

I load kxlt.
I load Src.
I connect Src (FXBus 0/1) to Analog Front Out.

For now everything works fine. If I play something, I hear it.

I load AC97. Sound stops coming out of Analog Front Out.
To get the sound back, I need to toggle and untoggle Digital Output Only in kxlt. I can also click once on Toggle 'Digital Output Only' mode in the mixer. It won't get toggled (checkmark does not appear) and the sound gets back.

I tested it with Rear Out instead of Analog Front Out and it does not exhibit the same problem.

I Hope that helps you LeMury. Tell me if you need more info.

Russ · Mar 30, 2005, 04:07 AM

I can confirm the same thing. It is not only with src and kxlt. It does the same thing with FXBus and epilog when you load ProFX AC97. You can get sound back by toggling DOO (on then off again) mode in kX Mixer or kxlt, or by resetting AC97 in kX Mixer.

-Russ

TemporarySaint · Mar 30, 2005, 04:29 AM

EDIT -- Forget it... its not weirdness at all... I just did not notice the prefade record buss switch... duhhhh

Temp

Lex Nahumury · Mar 30, 2005, 08:11 AM

Tril, Russ,

Quote:

You can get sound back by toggling DOO

Confirmed and fixed bug in AC97 plugin.

/LeMury

nakamichi · Mar 30, 2005, 09:44 PM

I must say these plugs are great,thank you.It totally changed the way of thinking about my Audigy2.Now I'm glad I have more power and control than ever before with ProFX 2.0.The AC97 mixer plugin separated from the SRC plugin is a great change I love.And the new MX6 gives me complete control over recording and playback,while having enough resources to add some effects plugs and other stuff.

Here's what I think about adding or changing something for the next release:

- A large size mode (like the option in the Winamp skin).I use a very high res (2048x1536 [19" and 21" CRT]) and the Mixer is a bit small.An option for 50% increase in the size would be great or 100% (like doublesize mode in Winamp).
- More gain for the UDA inputs (12dB is still not enough (ex. when recording from cassette tape,it's still not enough to drive the REC level close to 0dB.On the AC97 input,you can easily do that,there's more gain).
- Red skin is too dark and everything is hard on my eyes on a CRT monitor.On an LCD it may look wonderful,but the classic silver gray is much better for CRTs.Yes,and those high-contrast white markers annoy me too.Darkening them is a good idea.
- The white box redraw bug which happens often.It's annoying,but I read it's fixed by now.Waiting for the new version.
- Could you possibly add keyboard shortcuts for these plugs,for example,call MX6 mixer with 'Ctrl+6',or AC97 mixer with 'Ctrl+7'?

Russ · Apr 3, 2005, 05:27 AM

A possible bug:

When I load kxlt, wave and synth volumes set themselves to max.

-Russ

Lex Nahumury · Apr 3, 2005, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ

A possible bug:
When I load kxlt, wave and synth volumes set themselves to max.
-Russ

Good. It's intended that way.

/LeMury

Chester01 · Apr 3, 2005, 07:53 PM

kxlt - idea: we could have a mute for each of the outs next to the listed output (so instad of changing the output to cut the signal we could check/uncheck a mute)

admk · Apr 6, 2005, 01:01 PM

thnx Lemury....glad to see after all this time........I HAVE SCRIBBLE STRIPS!!!!!!

Thank u very very much for all ur work...
admk

Shalfey · Apr 16, 2005, 10:02 PM

Plz somebody mail me ProFX: shalf@peredelkino.ru
I can't download it from site - link is broken.

Thanks!

Lex Nahumury · Apr 18, 2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shalfey

Plz somebody mail me ProFX: shalf@peredelkino.ru
I can't download it from site - link is broken.

An updated version will be available soon.

/LeMury

Mar 15, 2005, 06:05 PM	#69
John Lodge DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 71 Rep Power: 0	Mixer Functions LeMury One feature that occurs to me (because) I have used it so often in other contexts (not in kX), it the slider attenuation setting. At present this is an output field showing the result in dB. But there are often situations when it would be useful for it to be an input field: to key in the desired gain. That is the field ends up being an I/O field either showing the gain set by the slider or the gain overriden by keyentry. ...John

Mar 18, 2005, 10:04 PM	#72
smasha DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	I have the new src connected to the Kxlt for music listening and can only get the left channel. land r of src connected to out 1 and 2 of kxlt. P.S. -I don't know what happened ,but it seems to be working now. I found some ct entries in windows that I deleted(experimented with the pax drivers and came back to earth with the good ole kx drivers-still the best for music) __________________ This computer is the only thing that matters in my life - I will go to the grave thinking bout it Last edited by smasha; Mar 18, 2005 at 10:10 PM.

Mar 26, 2005, 08:05 AM	#73
TemporarySaint DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Lowend Cancelled When using MX6 Aux 2 LeMury... Great work, your efforts are most appreciated.. Love the per channel Meters and I like the red My Card is 0090 W/livedrive2 and I have not expreienced any issues with the new set of ProFX except one... I was hearing a strange cancellation in the output of MX6 when ever I would try to bring up the Send for Aux 2 on Channel 3. To rule out the FX as the problem (was APS compressor) I just ran lines in the DSP from the Output of AUX 2 directly into channel 6. At the same time I also ran line from AUX 1 out to Channel 5. In testing both, it seems AUX 1 works as it should and when I bring up the AUX 1 send on channel 3 the MX6 Mains output increases. If I bring up the Aux 2 Send on Channel 3, the volume decreases and all the lowend is gone... almost sounds like phone quality. It not Phasing because I'm double feeding the Master bus because if I leave channel 3 enabled but turn off the send to mains.... the sound coming back in from Aux 2 still sounds terrible... Thanks so Much for your great work! Temp

Mar 27, 2005, 07:47 AM	#79
TemporarySaint DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	Lowend Cancelled When using MX6 Aux 2 Hi LeMury, Thanks for the response. As for your question, yes, for my test I ran directly from A2 out to Channel 6 in with no plugin between to make sure it was not a phase cancellation that I was hearing because thats what it really sounds like to me.... but if it were a true phase cancellation then taking the original signal out of the mains bus would get rid of it but it doesnt in fact it makes it worse because there is no longer direct signal mixed in and all I hear is the return from A2, which for lack of a better discription sounds phase canceled. If there is any test I can run for you just let me know... and if there are any other Kx users that can reproduce this, it would be helpful I'm sure to determine if it the plugin or my system causing the problem. Thanks Again! Temp EDIT-- In doing more tests... its only the Main bus affected... the record bus works as it should. So, if I route the record output to my monitors, then in MX6 have channel 3, 5 & 6 all sending to the record bus and bring up the A2 send, I get a volume increase and no quality reduction. If I do the same using the Main bus, I get the weird cancellation. Hope this helps. Last edited by TemporarySaint; Mar 27, 2005 at 08:09 AM.

Mar 30, 2005, 04:29 AM	#82
TemporarySaint DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 0	more MX6 wierdness... EDIT -- Forget it... its not weirdness at all... I just did not notice the prefade record buss switch... duhhhh Temp Last edited by TemporarySaint; Mar 30, 2005 at 04:45 AM. Reason: not too bright!!!!

Mar 15, 2005, 05:35 AM	#64
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I figured the dialog would be alot of work to implement, it's just I really liked the dark look..theme you had going on gave the plugins a very professional look..quite nice...I would still use the plugins red green or blue....But sometimes I like to leave things on the desktop...Nice work regardless of the color..very impressive...did you give any thought into doing the rest of the plugins set in the same type of "theme" such as surrounder..etc.....give KX a nice Cohesive look...

Mar 15, 2005, 06:32 AM	#66
BODYPRINT DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	I changed the colours using Reshack, but I can't change the colour under the text so it ended up looking a bit silly. But it only took about half an hour to reskin MX6 to a XPish blue colour.

Mar 15, 2005, 04:18 PM	#67
peate HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 389 Rep Power: 55	I'm willing to test the plug-ins on my SB0060 but I want to be sure I can revert back to the older versions if my card stops working. I did try the AC97 and SRC plug ins last week and no problems with them. The red is a bit harsh at first, but I'm sure I could get used to it. I love the new mixer. Thanks LeMury. Pierre

Mar 18, 2005, 07:38 PM	#70
peate HardwareHeaven Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 389 Rep Power: 55	Was the SB0060 bug ever fixed? I'd like to give that mixer a try. Thanks.

Mar 26, 2005, 11:20 AM	#77
miguel DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 209 Rep Power: 0	LeMury, just let me know through pm whenever you want to troubleshoot the aps bug in src I mentioned before. Basically A1/A2 isn't there in the list, it should be the first in the list, maybe that's an indicator.

Mar 30, 2005, 03:35 AM	#80
Tril S-3D enthusiast Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,674 Rep Power: 62 System Specs	It's great. I wanted to use the mic and line in at the same time. I think I found a bug. At least there's a problem here on my CT4832 10k1. Here's what happen : I load kxlt. I load Src. I connect Src (FXBus 0/1) to Analog Front Out. For now everything works fine. If I play something, I hear it. I load AC97. Sound stops coming out of Analog Front Out. To get the sound back, I need to toggle and untoggle Digital Output Only in kxlt. I can also click once on Toggle 'Digital Output Only' mode in the mixer. It won't get toggled (checkmark does not appear) and the sound gets back. I tested it with Rear Out instead of Analog Front Out and it does not exhibit the same problem. I Hope that helps you LeMury. Tell me if you need more info.

Mar 30, 2005, 04:07 AM	#81
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	I can confirm the same thing. It is not only with src and kxlt. It does the same thing with FXBus and epilog when you load ProFX AC97. You can get sound back by toggling DOO (on then off again) mode in kX Mixer or kxlt, or by resetting AC97 in kX Mixer. -Russ

Mar 30, 2005, 09:44 PM	#84
nakamichi HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 122 Rep Power: 0	I must say these plugs are great,thank you.It totally changed the way of thinking about my Audigy2.Now I'm glad I have more power and control than ever before with ProFX 2.0.The AC97 mixer plugin separated from the SRC plugin is a great change I love.And the new MX6 gives me complete control over recording and playback,while having enough resources to add some effects plugs and other stuff. Here's what I think about adding or changing something for the next release: - A large size mode (like the option in the Winamp skin).I use a very high res (2048x1536 [19" and 21" CRT]) and the Mixer is a bit small.An option for 50% increase in the size would be great or 100% (like doublesize mode in Winamp). - More gain for the UDA inputs (12dB is still not enough (ex. when recording from cassette tape,it's still not enough to drive the REC level close to 0dB.On the AC97 input,you can easily do that,there's more gain). - Red skin is too dark and everything is hard on my eyes on a CRT monitor.On an LCD it may look wonderful,but the classic silver gray is much better for CRTs.Yes,and those high-contrast white markers annoy me too.Darkening them is a good idea. - The white box redraw bug which happens often.It's annoying,but I read it's fixed by now.Waiting for the new version. - Could you possibly add keyboard shortcuts for these plugs,for example,call MX6 mixer with 'Ctrl+6',or AC97 mixer with 'Ctrl+7'?

Apr 3, 2005, 05:27 AM	#85
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,507 Rep Power: 61	A possible bug: When I load kxlt, wave and synth volumes set themselves to max. -Russ

Apr 3, 2005, 07:53 PM	#87
Chester01 HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: St. Cloud, MN Posts: 492 Rep Power: 0	kxlt - idea: we could have a mute for each of the outs next to the listed output (so instad of changing the output to cut the signal we could check/uncheck a mute) __________________ COMP: Dual Intel PIII 733 Mhz; GeForce 4 Ti 4600; 1.128 Gb RAM; SB0350 (Audigy 2 ZS Platnium) STEREO(I UPGRADED):Crown Audio K1 and K2 amplifiers (4000 watts at .1% THD ), JL 13w7 Subwoofer (6.5 CF) (2) 18" PR's, Klipsch SB-1's, some cement blocks for speaker stands...

Apr 6, 2005, 01:01 PM	#88
admk DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 0	thnx Lemury....glad to see after all this time........I HAVE SCRIBBLE STRIPS!!!!!! Thank u very very much for all ur work... admk

Apr 16, 2005, 10:02 PM	#89
Shalfey DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 0	Plz somebody mail me ProFX: shalf@peredelkino.ru I can't download it from site - link is broken. Thanks!