Realtime VST or DX Effects

ROBSCIX · Jul 14, 2005, 02:25 AM

Hey, I use DX alot in my recording..I don't use that much VST though. I know alot of guys here do. I use KX to add effects to my guitar in real time..just for experiments..IS it possible to get realtime VST?..using kristal I heard of?..I HAve been working on realtime DX but it's tricky..any ideas guys?...I would like to be able to use some of my beeter plugins in realtime with my guitar...Thx for the help

Russ · Jul 14, 2005, 03:01 AM

Not realtime as with hardware based effects (i.e. in kX), but very close using kX and ASIO. Actual performance would depend on your system. Give Kristal a try, and adjust the settings in kX's Asio Control Panel to try and get the lowest possible latency with your system and see how it works for you.

BODYPRINT · Jul 14, 2005, 09:01 AM

I use FLStudio and kX asio for 5ms realtime vocal effects in my live performance.

I use a 3.2G p4.

If you want to see my setup, let me know.

Lex Nahumury · Jul 14, 2005, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROBSCIX

..just for experiments..IS it possible to get realtime VST

LOL,..VST/ASIO Technologie is practicly all about 'near realtime' audio processing!
(It out performs dx in that respect)
Moreover, to musicians, kX's ASIO driver is one of it's most important feature to begin with!

I can't believe you've never heard of VST/ASIO stuff like NI Guitar Rig etc. etc. (since you are a guitarist I mean)

/LeMury

ROBSCIX · Jul 14, 2005, 08:42 PM

Yeah I know about guitar rig..etc.... Is their a program such as NI guitar rig..that will allow me to use effect I have real time...I can't use Guitar rig.
I think guys are getting mixed up with what I am trying to accomplish OR I am not explaining it correctly. I wan't to be able to add effects to the line in on the sound card. So what ever signal is coming thorugh the line has effects applied to it and can be heard through the speakers...I have been messing around with the effects in KX..pretty cool...I can do that ok.. SO does that clear it up?..thx for the info

Nappylady · Jul 15, 2005, 01:31 AM

Yeah--I use Cubase SX for my live effects, and it's awesome. It has tons of built-in effects, parametric EQ (though high-shelving EQs don't work right) and everything else I've ever needed... except the compander, but I got that through kX :-)

Latency is very small... it's not related to the latency listed in the kX control panel, except that if you set it too low, the sound will skip... but if you set the latency to 10ms, in my experience, the sound still comes through in very nearly realtime. I have not measured yet what the latency is...

TheKezReturns · Jul 15, 2005, 03:08 AM

There are a couple of free ASIO hosts out there that should enable you to use VST effects on you're line in in realtime without loading up a sequencer if that's what you're after. Go to kvr-vst.com and have a look around.
A couple that I can remember are Spinaudio AsioFXProcessor and Tobybear's Minihost.
Check here. http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=results&st=q&s=11

thomasabarnes · Jul 15, 2005, 03:32 AM

ROBSCIX:

Was wondering if you know that using DX/VST effects in real time is easily done with a Sequencer? Just add the DX/VST to the FX bin (or equivalent) of an audio track. Are you trying to do this with a sequencer or not?

Not long ago, I was wondering how to add kX effects to a DXi/VSTi in a sequencer. One way that's done is by inserting the effect between MX6 and the ASIO ProFX Plugin (or adding an effect to the MX6 Send Busses). As an ASIO output is selected as the DXi/VSTi track output.

Here's a thread that may help you out if you want to look at it: http://driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=76028

Lex Nahumury · Jul 15, 2005, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROBSCIX

... OR I am not explaining it correctly. I wan't to be able to add effects to the line in on the sound card. So what ever signal is coming thorugh the line has effects applied to it and can be heard through the speakers...I have been messing around with the effects in KX..pretty cool...I can do that ok.. SO does that clear it up?.

Yes. What you want is to apply 'realtime' VST fx to Line-In, and hear the result through your speakers. Right?

Setup and routing is basicly;

Line-In -> AsioRec -> [any VST Host + VST fx] -> FXbuss -> FrontSpeakers

(between braces is VST Software, anything else is kX DSP)

As already mentioned, VST-plugins need a VST-Host to run in.
NI's Guitar Rig and alike can operate 'standalone' which basicly means that it uses it's own build-in VST Host. Other then that it's the same as using any VST Host + VST fx.

/LeMury

ROBSCIX · Jul 15, 2005, 09:49 PM

Yeah, you got it...I want to listen to the results of the effects RIGHT away..IF I strum a chord and I have effects enabled I want to hear it NOW....But I think I can get it now from the info you guys have provided..thx to the KEZRETURNS..that spinaudio one is what I was looking for thankyou..DO you know of one that will work with DX?..or VST has better latency though correct?..I guess I could just use a DX to VST wrapper though..correct?

Jul 14, 2005, 02:25 AM	#1
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Realtime VST or DX Effects Hey, I use DX alot in my recording..I don't use that much VST though. I know alot of guys here do. I use KX to add effects to my guitar in real time..just for experiments..IS it possible to get realtime VST?..using kristal I heard of?..I HAve been working on realtime DX but it's tricky..any ideas guys?...I would like to be able to use some of my beeter plugins in realtime with my guitar...Thx for the help

Jul 15, 2005, 03:32 AM	#8
thomasabarnes Long Time ***** Friend Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: USA Posts: 1,375 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	ROBSCIX: Was wondering if you know that using DX/VST effects in real time is easily done with a Sequencer? Just add the DX/VST to the FX bin (or equivalent) of an audio track. Are you trying to do this with a sequencer or not? Not long ago, I was wondering how to add kX effects to a DXi/VSTi in a sequencer. One way that's done is by inserting the effect between MX6 and the ASIO ProFX Plugin (or adding an effect to the MX6 Send Busses). As an ASIO output is selected as the DXi/VSTi track output. Here's a thread that may help you out if you want to look at it: http://driverheaven.net/showthread.php?t=76028 __________________ May a song always touch you in a positive way. SONAR X1D Expanded, Windows 7 Pro 64Bit, MOTU UltraLite MK3, 150 GB HDD, 250 GB HDD, 1 TB x2 HDD 7200 rpm My Music Production: Top 40, Contemporary Christian, Pop/Rock, Decent Rap, Inspirationals, and Children Songs Last edited by thomasabarnes; Jul 15, 2005 at 03:47 AM.

Jul 14, 2005, 03:01 AM	#2
Russ HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 62	Not realtime as with hardware based effects (i.e. in kX), but very close using kX and ASIO. Actual performance would depend on your system. Give Kristal a try, and adjust the settings in kX's Asio Control Panel to try and get the lowest possible latency with your system and see how it works for you.

Jul 14, 2005, 09:01 AM	#3
BODYPRINT DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 40 Rep Power: 0	I use FLStudio and kX asio for 5ms realtime vocal effects in my live performance. I use a 3.2G p4. If you want to see my setup, let me know.

Jul 14, 2005, 08:42 PM	Thread Starter #5
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Yeah I know about guitar rig..etc.... Is their a program such as NI guitar rig..that will allow me to use effect I have real time...I can't use Guitar rig. I think guys are getting mixed up with what I am trying to accomplish OR I am not explaining it correctly. I wan't to be able to add effects to the line in on the sound card. So what ever signal is coming thorugh the line has effects applied to it and can be heard through the speakers...I have been messing around with the effects in KX..pretty cool...I can do that ok.. SO does that clear it up?..thx for the info

Jul 15, 2005, 01:31 AM	#6
Nappylady DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 257 Rep Power: 0	Yeah--I use Cubase SX for my live effects, and it's awesome. It has tons of built-in effects, parametric EQ (though high-shelving EQs don't work right) and everything else I've ever needed... except the compander, but I got that through kX :-) Latency is very small... it's not related to the latency listed in the kX control panel, except that if you set it too low, the sound will skip... but if you set the latency to 10ms, in my experience, the sound still comes through in very nearly realtime. I have not measured yet what the latency is...

Jul 15, 2005, 03:08 AM	#7
TheKezReturns HardwareHeaven Lover Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gold Coast Australia Posts: 118 Rep Power: 0	There are a couple of free ASIO hosts out there that should enable you to use VST effects on you're line in in realtime without loading up a sequencer if that's what you're after. Go to kvr-vst.com and have a look around. A couple that I can remember are Spinaudio AsioFXProcessor and Tobybear's Minihost. Check here. http://www.kvraudio.com/get.php?mode=results&st=q&s=11

Jul 15, 2005, 09:49 PM	Thread Starter #10
ROBSCIX DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,732 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, you got it...I want to listen to the results of the effects RIGHT away..IF I strum a chord and I have effects enabled I want to hear it NOW....But I think I can get it now from the info you guys have provided..thx to the KEZRETURNS..that spinaudio one is what I was looking for thankyou..DO you know of one that will work with DX?..or VST has better latency though correct?..I guess I could just use a DX to VST wrapper though..correct?