Kx driver problems with cubase

hetfield_roam

Hi guys i am new in this forum and this is my first post and i will try mu luck here with u guys since earlier forums hadnt been able to help me with my problem. I am using kx drivers on sb live 5.1 0102 a800 soundcard, and asio ands everything works perfect but when i record i cubase i get all the other channels recorded with the channel i choose, some say the problem is called "what u hear" on some soundcards but on kx drivers u shoudl do these following things but it still doesnt work even when i disconnect the ac97s. Please help me...this is so frustrating.

"quote from another thread on ur page"
- On the mixer AC'97 page, the recording source should be "line in" (or whatever you want to record) and the volume knob should be all the way down.
- On the mixer in- and output page, AC'97 input should be turned on.
- On the recording page, seems like this page doesn't matter at all. (Maybe the ASIO recording doesn't pass through this page.)
- And the final thing: in the DSP, make sure you disconnect the two AC'97 input from the prolog to the xrouting.

Russ

Try the setup I mentioned in this post, except replace RecL/RecR with the ASIO inputs of epilog that you want to use (and if you are using Line In, replace all the references to the mic, with Line_In). If you do not understand something then ask a specific question (here) about which part you do not understand.

hetfield_roam

i tried ur connection but i still got the recording problem where i record all the channels even if the mic is turned offstill remains...but when i connected the top 2 outputs ofprologue (ac97) left ,right) directly to recL recR of epilogue the 2 that already was there disappeard, those 2 came from xrouting. i guess that should happen, do u have any idea what i shoudl do about it?

Russ

Did you follow all of the steps I mentioned?

1) For ASIO recording, you should not use RecL/RecR (which are used for MME recording), and should instead use the ASIO inputs of epilog.
2) They should replace any previous connections.
3) Make sure you disconnect the connections from the top 2 ouputs of prolog to xrouting.

hetfield_roam

onepilog all the asio outlets is full of connections from prologue...can i exchange any of them?

Russ

Yes, you can replace anyone you want (as of matter of fact, you might just want to disconnect all of the unsed one's so it is less confusing). I would suggest using the ASIO(4/5) connections to start with (ASIO 1 and 2 are disabled on 10k1 based cards).

BTW: It might be easier to just unload prolog, and reload it, so that it starts out with no connections, and then just make the connections from the top 2 outputs to ASIO 4/5.

Russ

Also, be aware that there is an issue with the ASIO mapping with 10K1 cards, where the numbers used in kX do not always match up with those in your host software (they are often shifted by 2), so you may have to try selecting different ASIO inputs in your host software before finding the right one (i.e. if using 4/5 in kX, start by trying 4/5 in the host software. If You have no signal, then try 6/7 in the host software. If still no signal, then try all the other inputs one by one, until you get a signal).

hetfield_roam

damn..it still recorded over...well i really appreciate ur help...but it didnt work that way either...it still records every channel

Russ

Hmm, maybe I am mis-understanding you? What do you mean by "it is recording every channel"?

Can you post a screenshot of your DSP window?

hetfield_roam

what about all the others from prologue to xrouting?? shoudl i disable them too?

hetfield_roam

what button i take screenshoot?

hetfield_roam

when i record in cubase... i can turn the mic off but it still records what it doesnt hear..it records the other channel..like guitar and drums..when i am on a channel that i wanna record vocie on

Russ

You can but you do not have to.

printscreen

You are sure that Cubase is set to use ASIO and not MME?
It sounds like it might be a setting in Cubase that is giving you trouble, but I cannot be sure.

hetfield_roam

yes it set to kx asio drivers i vst setup ..do u have msn??
or can i email u tomorrow? i have to leave soon

Russ

I won't be around most of the day tomorrow, just post here and I will check back when I am home (or someone else can help)..

Did you look at Lemury's guide to using Cubase with kX? It may help you.

You also may want to try LeMury's ProFx plugins, as they are easier/better to use for recording, etc.

hetfield_roam

ok thanks!!

Russ

Your welcome.

BTW: I have never used Cubase myself, so I cannot not offer any information specific to recording with Cubase (I am guessing that it is similair to other ASIO Host software). Since it sounds like it might be a setting in Cubase, maybe if you explain the specifcs of your recording project (i.e. where are your guitar/drum parts coming from (i.e. Are they allready recorded on a seperate track in Cubase?), etc, maybe someone who knows Cubase can offer more specifc help.

hetfield_roam

i am very grateful for your help so far, but the thing is that before i used the kx drivers, back when i used the normal sb drivers it worked and i havent changed anything in cubase since..not what i can recall anyway. i will try an dget a printscreen but what happens when i push print screen..does the picture get saved i any specific folder? cuz i cant find it, if i can i could take a pic of my settings in dsp

Maddogg6

pressing print screen puts a bmp image into the clipboard and can be pasted into a word doc, or some graphic editing program like paint or photoshop.

hetfield_roam

here is my dsp window!! take a look and tell me if u got any idea

[img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/CARL/LOKALA%7E1/TEMP/moz-screenshot.jpg[/img][img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/CARL/LOKALA%7E1/TEMP/moz-screenshot-1.jpg[/img][img]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/CARL/LOKALA%7E1/TEMP/moz-screenshot-2.jpg[/img]

Russ

Thats not gonna work. If you wanna post a screenshot, you need to have it hosted somewhere (on your own website, or you could try a website like http://tinypic.com/).

BTW: Please edit that post and fix the spacing, until you get the pics working. And posting the link to the pics would be better for large pics, rather than trying to show the pic directly within the post.

Russ

Here are some pics that you can use for reference. Look to see how your setup differs from this (pay close attention to which sliders are muted, etc).

http://tinypic.com/98zvpx.gif
http://tinypic.com/98zvxl.gif
http://tinypic.com/98zw20.gif
http://tinypic.com/98zw3o.gif

BTW: I just noticed that somehow I have 2 different versions of prolog. One has a dB slider, and the other uses a percentage slider (for AC97). Sometimes one will load, and other times the other will load (from "add effect/plugin > default > prolog")? In any case, I thought I would point it out, in case your slider on the "Ins and Outs" page looks slightly different.

hetfield_roam

ok i have made the sam settings u have but it doesnt work anyway. I do though have some questions about the settings in cubase, when i chose vst connections in/out they are set for left= 1 KX out 00 right = 2 KX out 01, and ofr the in settings the sam of course, so i wonder..since in the dsp it is set for outs 4,5 shoudl i change them in cubase or what should i do? since the connections in the dsp is for 4,5 not 1,2 or maybe 0,1..do u understand what i mean?

hetfield_roam

well i have counted one thing out...when i reset the dsp, it is connected from the top two outlets of the prologue to 4,5 on the epilogue. and the it is recording in cubase, (althought the problem with recording everything thats i played up still remains)and i havent changed anything there.
but when i disconnect the whole prologue and just connect to the same top two outlets on the epilogue again, it wont record at all. i also disconnected the two from xrouting to epilogue, which is there byt standard but not in your connection-picture.
can this help u understand the problem better?

Lex Nahumury

Everything you need to know is in these 2 guides;


Cubase SX Guide:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/general-discussion/57078-newbie-guide-how-setup-cubase-sx-kx.html
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxtut...kxcubasesx.htm

DSP Guide:
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/effects-dsp/55649-newbie-guide-kxs-dsp-concept-how-setup-your-dsp.html
http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxtutor/kxtutor.html

/LeMury
P.S:
Note: Your card type is SB0102, thus you have the 'asio mapping issue' mentioned in the Cubase guide.

hetfield_roam

thank u very much lemury i will start reading these guides now and maybe ask u if i get trouble (more new trouble) on the way. Once again, thanks everyone who helps me out

hetfield_roam

well..it is a little bit too anvanced for me, since im from sweden i also dont understand all words, but i will need to download this profx plugin to make tihngs easier understand. exactly what is the mapping problem with sb0102?

Russ

The mapping issue is that the ASIO channels (the numbers used to indicate the channels), do not always match up with the channel numbers used in the ASIO host software (Cubase in this case), and as such, you will need to figure out what the mapping is yourself, with your card, and Cubase.

i.e. You connect to ASIO 4/5 in kX. In Cubase it may be ASIO Input 4/5, or maybe ASIO Input 6/7, or possibly any other ASIO Input (realize that we are talking about ASIO Inputs in Cubase here, not Outputs). I did mention this issue in one of my previous posts in this thread.

hetfield_roam

ok..can i reset the dsp and work with it as it is in standard mode? because when connected all the inputs and looked at the mixer only one pair reacted on the microfone and another one next to these two also reacted but only in mon or something because only one of the meters was rising when i tapped on the mic. So should i mix with the dsp before or can i just reste it and start looking at the host, cubase and see what happens

trevbushell

http://members.home.nl/nahutec/kxtutor/quickkx.htm
try to read this link if you can. You have the dsp 'profx' plugins already in dsp so load them in and you can then forget about the mixer (which can be very confusing!!).
Then copy the picture in the screenshot in the above link and work with that as your basis.

i have cubase and kx and i can record perfectly just the single channel into an ASIO channel so it can be done, dont worry!

You need to make sure the playback channels (you dont want to record) are not connected into an ASIO channel but just to your speakers (like the screenshot in the above link.)

Only the 'src' ('line in' (which is bus 3/4 for me but may be different for you)....or whatever you want to record from) should be connected to an ASIO channel which you can then pick up in cubase and record. (make sure you also connect this 'line in' channel to the speakers though so you can hear it when you record it!!)

To make your mic from mono to stereo- if you are recording from a mic then make sure you make 2 connections from the same mic line (as it is mono by default-)to go into a R and L channel of ASIO.
the mic comes from the Left channel on my card so i attach two lines to asio from this one left channel!!
is this too complicated??

if i knew how to do screenshots i would show you by putting up a picture of how this looks in dsp... so if anyone knows how to screenshot then let me know and i will post one for you!

i will keep an eye on this post and try to help further with russ !
trev

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