Flash Kills IE7

GutterPunk · May 9, 2007, 03:20 PM

It seems only on DH at work, the flash adverts crash my ie7, and sucks sometimes cuz I have work open. Any thoughts?

Brutality · May 9, 2007, 03:23 PM

Dont use IE?

No, seriously, i dont know what people see in that crap-browser.
Btw, do you have the latest flash players installed? It might be caused by crappy flash support.

BlueMak · May 9, 2007, 04:28 PM

Indeed, try installing the latest Flash (9 I think). Or perhaps when you know you are going to visit the site then disable flash?

Or better yet install and use Opera.

CDsDontBurn · May 9, 2007, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GutterPunk

It seems only on DH at work, the flash adverts crash my ie7, and sucks sometimes cuz I have work open. Any thoughts?

use a lesser browser such as FF for DH and IE7 for work

Zardon · May 9, 2007, 05:10 PM

IE7 does work fine with the ads - (im using it atm to post this). they are just simple flash ad codes, nothing complex in them that would crash a standard browser like IE7.

must be something wrong on the system, or something else conflicting.

GutterPunk · May 9, 2007, 05:21 PM

If I was able to not use IE I would be using opera!
blegh

It happens when I sit on the site for a good time. The thing that throws me off is it will cause ff to crash too. Only when I sit on the site for say 30 minutes without activity.

Judas · May 9, 2007, 05:29 PM

system problem.....

an annoying one at that....

try uninstalling the FLASH player (add remove programs) and maybe get rid of anything else that might be on IE7

If all else fails, use the "safe mode" IE7 and see if it still happens (this should stop the add-ons from starting)

GutterPunk · May 9, 2007, 05:38 PM

yeah, I have uninstalled / reinstalled flash. The retarded thing is, when I am bored I play flash games and may sit on them for hours not doing anything. Ill see what no addons does. wellj of course no addons will work... no flash will load.

Judas · May 9, 2007, 05:54 PM

don't jump to quickly, i've seen instances where i thought an addon was causing a problem and it ended up being some weird issue with IE7 specifically.

let IE7 with no addons sit on DH and see what happens.

Zardon · May 9, 2007, 06:07 PM

or just block flash on DH.

GutterPunk · May 9, 2007, 06:15 PM

I like to clicky the adverts when I get bored hah.

Ill live with it and do some testing. If i figure something out i'll post back. I just thought maybe someone had the same thing. The dumb thing is it only happens when the site sits for extended periods of time.

**Mousey** · May 9, 2007, 09:05 PM

One word, the perfect solution to everything...

building up

...

*drum roll*

...

...

FiyaFAWX

GutterPunk · May 9, 2007, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mousey

One word, the perfect solution to everything...

building up

...

*drum roll*

...

...

FiyaFAWX

read above nublet

i said it happens on ff

Zardon · May 9, 2007, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GutterPunk

The dumb thing is it only happens when the site sits for extended periods of time.

That sounds like some kind of memory leak. I honestly tested this today, I tend to use Opera most of the time, but after reading this I fired up IE7 in both Windows XP and Vista, surfed DH for a good 30 minutes and left the browser running on the forum index. that was 4 hours ago. hasn't crashed yet.

GutterPunk · May 10, 2007, 03:29 AM

d'oh I just suck. It never happened to me today, happened twice yesterday (lost some good work). Although... there isn't 1 person in the building who has IE7 go a week w/o crashing.

Dyre Straits · May 10, 2007, 06:47 AM

I'm using IE 7, and the only thing I notice is that the Flash ADs seem to cause the loading of a page to delay for the AD to finish it's animation. EXAMPLE: When I click to move from this page back to the main forums, there are two ADs that show up and stay there doing their thing and then the page I clicked to go to will load.

But, there's been no crashing involved at all.

I see you're using Vista Ultimate...in your profile. Do the business PCs also have the same OS?

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 10, 2007, 07:10 AM

It happens to me a lot on several different systems but only when
I've been on for a while and/or I have several windows open.

It's not just DH, but I see it primarily on DH since thats when I have the
most windows open usually about 6 to 12. If I turn flash off it stops completely....
and usually dies when I'm in the middle of typing out a post with memory full type
errors. IE7 error out gives you a message it must close and crashes or I've tired
move the window around and it leaves that trail of windows like your memory is full.
Let IE close and all is well...

It's flash+IE7 and it sucks as there is no solution other then disable flash or dump IE.
the other possible solution is limit your self to 1 open instance of IE7. wich to me I like to move quickly back and forth between windows and tasks...

Zardon · May 10, 2007, 08:45 AM

didnt microsoft fix that IE7 memory issue a while ago with an update?

Dyre Straits · May 10, 2007, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

didnt microsoft fix that IE7 memory issue a while ago with an update?

I thought they did.

At any rate, as much time as I spend here, you'd think I'd be having all kinds of problems if there was something wrong with IE 7.

Do those who are having problems have all the Microsoft/Windows Updates? And, is it only VISTA that's behaving this way for them?

One thing, though, about me, I won't let something like Google or Yahoo bar install on it. I just use 'native' IE 7 if that's anything to consider.

GutterPunk · May 10, 2007, 12:40 PM

We have XP at work. Unfortunately I could go in and release M$ updates but those are all pushed out by the administrator. So really I don't know what updates there are, but I am not seeing huge memory gains by iexplore, sits around 30-40k.

Just Learnin' · May 10, 2007, 02:33 PM

I have XP Pro with all the updates and IE7. I have had this same problem with this sight for a very long time. It is definitly the ads. There have been periods of time when it has been almost impossible to browse here. I get this problem on no other site. The problem for me seems to be that due to slow loading for the pages here with lite speed, I will click on numerous threads of interest and read one while I wait for others to load.

I have uninstalled, reinstalled and updated flash to no avail. Cleared cache as well. I never took the time to see which ads cause the issue as I ignore them, but I have seen mention by others about how pages seem to load quicker after certain ads have been removed and noticed less crashes afterwards. I have had few issues up till recently and it corresponded with Gutterpunk's starting this thread.

For me I don't think it is so much the amount of time on the forum so much as the number of threads I try to open. It is a game of cross your fingers and hope for the best.

Zardon · May 10, 2007, 02:51 PM

I don't think anyone is denying people are experiencing issues, however it is hard for us to isolate the problems when none of the administrators can reproduce the issue - perhaps it is the fact there are quite a few flash ads on the site that some machines are crashing, because logic dictates that if the ads were causing issues with IE7 that everyone would experience them and fairly often - I have read a few issues from people with IE7 in the feedback forum over the last 4-6 months, but only a few (we aren't ignoring you guys just trying to work out why some IE7 installs are crashing). Since reading gutterpunks thread yesterday I have used DH exclusively on IE7, including making front page posts, sitting on the forum, viewing threads, posting threads, moving and sticking/unsticking threads etc.

I haven't had a problem. I will however chat with craig and he can have a look himself.

***craig5320*** · May 10, 2007, 03:04 PM

Hi Guys,

Sorry to hear people are having issues,

The system we use for delivering the ads is based on javascript so this could be another possible road to look down, anyone whose using strict security or 3rd party blockers and such, Once the ad's have loaded and intialised tho I don't see how or why they'd start causing a problem after a long period of being left idle.

I got to know some guys who develop the OpenAds system, so I'll try and get a chat with them to see if they can shed any light on the matter, or if they think it could be related to this.

As for the updates, my IE7 was flaky until the update came, since then it's been fine The end version number is .16448

I have no issues in IE, but I'll see what FF thinks after extended periods of use.

Thanks

The_Neon_Cowboy · May 16, 2007, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zardon

didnt microsoft fix that IE7 memory issue a while ago with an update?

IE6 all was peachy

When I started useing trying the the IE7 beta's there was has been a issue ever since.
Though one time an flash version change/update seemed to fix it. But then they updated
it yet again (when Adobe Completed the Acquisition of Macromedia) anyways and it's
been borked for me ever since... no cure that i've been able to find. Though I don't think
it did this when I tried the vista beta's. Could be IE7 + Flash + XP or something. For all I know it could be a case of a MS patch borking something. As I use auotpatcher XP and load tons of patchs and hotfixes. I wonder does anyone else use autopatcher? maybe where dealing with a hotfix thats borking flash

more reading
http://www.devlib.org/blog/2007/02/2...-crash-issues/

google search gets like a million hits....

GutterPunk · May 18, 2007, 01:16 PM

Hmm I think mine is a computer problem as all browsers are starting to crash more! Opera FF IE7

May 9, 2007, 03:20 PM	#1
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	Flash Kills IE7 It seems only on DH at work, the flash adverts crash my ie7, and sucks sometimes cuz I have work open. Any thoughts? __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

May 9, 2007, 04:28 PM	#3
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,465 Rep Power: 349 System Specs	Indeed, try installing the latest Flash (9 I think). Or perhaps when you know you are going to visit the site then disable flash? Or better yet install and use Opera. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

May 9, 2007, 05:21 PM	Thread Starter #6
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	If I was able to not use IE I would be using opera! blegh It happens when I sit on the site for a good time. The thing that throws me off is it will cause ff to crash too. Only when I sit on the site for say 30 minutes without activity. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

May 9, 2007, 05:38 PM	Thread Starter #8
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	yeah, I have uninstalled / reinstalled flash. The retarded thing is, when I am bored I play flash games and may sit on them for hours not doing anything. Ill see what no addons does. wellj of course no addons will work... no flash will load. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

May 9, 2007, 06:15 PM	Thread Starter #11
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	I like to clicky the adverts when I get bored hah. Ill live with it and do some testing. If i figure something out i'll post back. I just thought maybe someone had the same thing. The dumb thing is it only happens when the site sits for extended periods of time. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

May 9, 2007, 03:23 PM	#2
Brutality DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Estonia Posts: 887 Rep Power: 0	Dont use IE? No, seriously, i dont know what people see in that crap-browser. Btw, do you have the latest flash players installed? It might be caused by crappy flash support.

May 9, 2007, 05:10 PM	#5
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	IE7 does work fine with the ads - (im using it atm to post this). they are just simple flash ad codes, nothing complex in them that would crash a standard browser like IE7. must be something wrong on the system, or something else conflicting.

May 9, 2007, 06:07 PM	#10
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	or just block flash on DH.

May 9, 2007, 09:05 PM	#12
Mousey Synth's Long Lost Bro Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Web Design Hell Posts: 7,188 Rep Power: 245 System Specs	One word, the perfect solution to everything... building up ... drum roll ... ... FiyaFAWX __________________

May 10, 2007, 03:29 AM	Thread Starter #15
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	d'oh I just suck. It never happened to me today, happened twice yesterday (lost some good work). Although... there isn't 1 person in the building who has IE7 go a week w/o crashing. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

May 10, 2007, 07:10 AM	#17
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	It happens to me a lot on several different systems but only when I've been on for a while and/or I have several windows open. It's not just DH, but I see it primarily on DH since thats when I have the most windows open usually about 6 to 12. If I turn flash off it stops completely.... and usually dies when I'm in the middle of typing out a post with memory full type errors. IE7 error out gives you a message it must close and crashes or I've tired move the window around and it leaves that trail of windows like your memory is full. Let IE close and all is well... It's flash+IE7 and it sucks as there is no solution other then disable flash or dump IE. the other possible solution is limit your self to 1 open instance of IE7. wich to me I like to move quickly back and forth between windows and tasks... __________________

May 10, 2007, 08:45 AM	#18
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	didnt microsoft fix that IE7 memory issue a while ago with an update?

May 10, 2007, 12:40 PM	Thread Starter #20
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	We have XP at work. Unfortunately I could go in and release M$ updates but those are all pushed out by the administrator. So really I don't know what updates there are, but I am not seeing huge memory gains by iexplore, sits around 30-40k. __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt

May 10, 2007, 02:33 PM	#21
Just Learnin' HardwareHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Posts: 1,414 Rep Power: 56 System Specs	I have XP Pro with all the updates and IE7. I have had this same problem with this sight for a very long time. It is definitly the ads. There have been periods of time when it has been almost impossible to browse here. I get this problem on no other site. The problem for me seems to be that due to slow loading for the pages here with lite speed, I will click on numerous threads of interest and read one while I wait for others to load. I have uninstalled, reinstalled and updated flash to no avail. Cleared cache as well. I never took the time to see which ads cause the issue as I ignore them, but I have seen mention by others about how pages seem to load quicker after certain ads have been removed and noticed less crashes afterwards. I have had few issues up till recently and it corresponded with Gutterpunk's starting this thread. For me I don't think it is so much the amount of time on the forum so much as the number of threads I try to open. It is a game of cross your fingers and hope for the best.

May 10, 2007, 02:51 PM	#22
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	I don't think anyone is denying people are experiencing issues, however it is hard for us to isolate the problems when none of the administrators can reproduce the issue - perhaps it is the fact there are quite a few flash ads on the site that some machines are crashing, because logic dictates that if the ads were causing issues with IE7 that everyone would experience them and fairly often - I have read a few issues from people with IE7 in the feedback forum over the last 4-6 months, but only a few (we aren't ignoring you guys just trying to work out why some IE7 installs are crashing). Since reading gutterpunks thread yesterday I have used DH exclusively on IE7, including making front page posts, sitting on the forum, viewing threads, posting threads, moving and sticking/unsticking threads etc. I haven't had a problem. I will however chat with craig and he can have a look himself.

May 10, 2007, 03:04 PM	#23
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,565 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	Hi Guys, Sorry to hear people are having issues, The system we use for delivering the ads is based on javascript so this could be another possible road to look down, anyone whose using strict security or 3rd party blockers and such, Once the ad's have loaded and intialised tho I don't see how or why they'd start causing a problem after a long period of being left idle. I got to know some guys who develop the OpenAds system, so I'll try and get a chat with them to see if they can shed any light on the matter, or if they think it could be related to this. As for the updates, my IE7 was flaky until the update came, since then it's been fine The end version number is .16448 I have no issues in IE, but I'll see what FF thinks after extended periods of use. Thanks __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

May 18, 2007, 01:16 PM	Thread Starter #25
GutterPunk I = Greatest Dood Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Nebraska Posts: 5,949 Rep Power: 71	Hmm I think mine is a computer problem as all browsers are starting to crash more! Opera FF IE7 __________________ Rock On \m/ Thank you Mousey for the Sig! --------------- Intel Core2Duo E6660 (3.4GHZ) ~ Tuniq Tower 120 ~ Enermax Galaxy 1000W ~ Corsair Dominator @ 1090MHZ 5-5-5-15 (OCZ XTC Modded Cooler)~ EVGA 8800GTX W/ HR-03 Plus 120MM ~ Asus DVD-RW LiteScribe ~ LG DVD-RW ~ Corsair Voyager 2GB ReadyBoost Drive ~ Vantec Nexus Fan Controller ~ ThermalTake Armor 25CM fan ~ Personal Finance Blog: Dent Your Debt