PD Forum a waste of time and space

Mac Daddy · Apr 22, 2003, 02:09 AM

I have viewed Zardon's "STICKY" comments and I agree.

If you guys wish too Bitch in a Flaming manner.
There is a place for that. The Flame Warzone !!!
Reasonable debate would make this forum more productive.

Personally I have no interest in this Forum.
I have commented to Fallang_Jeff that I wish to Bitch Slap my PM and Avril. But I think that is a FW topic.
Man Mac Daddy is MAD on that subject

But I hold my tongue.

This forum has about as much to do with Puters as my suggested Music Forum.
And I don't support it

Falstaff · Apr 22, 2003, 04:53 AM

A few folks don't like to play fair..i.e. Byteme, etc...and would routinely scour the PD forum just to elicit a flaming response with enflamatory threads...Some of us enjoy it, as I do, but only if someone is willing to contribute. it gets pretty interesting. But driveby posts by flamers should be as you say in the flaming Warzone...If there is a forum that should probably be done away with...it just has to be THE FLAMING WARZONE...I am not a flamer, nor do I wish to participate...I am more inclined to a free exchange of ideas, and learning a little when people contribute with factual sources, much like you would if you were looking for a soundcard, monitor tweak, or a funky bug regarding a famous OS...

Mac Daddy · Apr 24, 2003, 03:26 AM

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Originally posted by fallang_jeff
A few folks don't like to play fair..i.e. Byteme, etc...and would routinely scour the PD forum just to elicit a flaming response with enflamatory threads...Some of us enjoy it, as I do, but only if someone is willing to contribute. it gets pretty interesting. But driveby posts by flamers should be as you say in the flaming Warzone...If there is a forum that should probably be done away with...it just has to be THE FLAMING WARZONE...I am not a flamer, nor do I wish to participate...I am more inclined to a free exchange of ideas, and learning a little when people contribute with factual sources, much like you would if you were looking for a soundcard, monitor tweak, or a funky bug regarding a famous OS...

Well I consider "Political" and " Debate" a serious conflict of terms.
And I only brought this up after Zardon's comment.

The issue of poltics can certainly not ensure a reasonable debate.
We are all from different cultures and beliefs.

Comments such as "Your Euros" and " Your Fooking High" have turned me off of this FORUM.

I see no reason why a debate shouldn't follow Off topic rules.
A reasonable debate should involve some key points.

1) A reasonable SCOPE for the thread started
2) The instance of a reasonable debate being started (No Cat calling or racial inferences)
3) An overall meaning "ie" How this can help other members.

As for the Warzone many of the threads from this forum have ended up there.
I for one would like to see this moving of threads stopped.
As I have commented to the Owner of this site and the leader of his MOD team.
Both excellent people

Jeff the disclaimer for FW makes it clear what to expect. The title of this forum is a bit "Sticky"
I would like to see a PD forum with Off Topic Moderation.
Only then will I start a thread here again

And one last comment. Before there was a FW Uberlord and I were involved in a very heated debate over OS's.
This took place in Off Topic.
And even today it still wouldn't be moved. That is because of a Mutual Respect between us.
And consideration for other members.

You regulars keep this forum clean, my one and only point

NaumoJR · Apr 24, 2003, 04:02 AM

I don't think it fits in with the whole "Driver Heaven" theme. Meaning relating to technology etc...

That's just my opinion.

Falstaff · Apr 24, 2003, 04:41 AM

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Naumo_JR - I don't think it fits in with the whole "Driver Heaven" theme. Meaning relating to technology etc...
That's just my opinion.

Just for the sake of asking, What is the whole DriverHeaven theme? please clarify, because the flaming warzone definitely isn't technology based.

And the political forum became an intellectual wasteland when driveby posts by registered members really came in hot and heavy during the early days of the war in IRAQ.

As far is Ideology, Politics and Economics, you might like to know that more mature members of DH (old farts) are concerned with more than the lastest greatest driver, video card or mobo, we have some perspective and experience, and like a good magazine while your sitting on the throne, you might actually learn something more than how many pixels it takes to make an avatar, etc etc etc...

I believe that if a DH member takes out the time from their busy (no joke) day to browse and enjoy tech stuff, then they might also indulge the higher brain functions and create a salient thought or point in a more constructive manner than say perhaps....the "Flaming Warzone". I am not a flamer, but sometimes they are funny, ha ha...

Lots of computer cosumers, users, techs, geeks, thieves and general cranks must love reading forums because it is viewed even if it isn't patronized.

There are rules of engagement, and they are broken often, and you can't take a tiny piece of the PD forum and accurately describe what is going on there at all. If there is criticism it must be for the way it is monitored, mostly by the posters themselves, mature adults right? nah......then the moderators, not gonna go there, I have already been stepped on, by a few, with real swings in consistency, I just play along. It's only cyberspace.

If you read the PD forum posts during the war, you might actually see trends, and bad posting, but go to the flaming warzone, I don't give a flying monkey scratch what you say, the rules are few, regardless, I think that is what people want...groovey, but I like to think I am a little brighter than that...(no insult intended).

But I often wonder if Political and Ideological and Economic debate is really out of the grasp intellectually for some members, that's cool...no?

If DH gets even more political and becomes more oriented according to some particuler persons tastes and the PD forum is eliminated, it will be missed and creative thinking will probably be mired in off topic swill and Flaming muck, ha ha..

But when you want to eliminate a forum because it doesn't conform to a particuler idea you have about how things would be, then so be it, but the mere fact that you might entertain a question or be willing to debate in a civil manner, well maybe there is hope. I tell my friends about DH specifically because of the variety of things they can see here, it is phenominal, I enjoy it, and I might be considered an addict in rational terms. DH offers so much now, and it is on the edge of becoming really bigger and better, you might think it is bloated right now, but growing pains are part of the whole process of refinement and will continue. Perhaps there is some frustration associated with participation, i.e. making a new forum, finding space for new ideas, general trends, etc....I don't like the Flaming Warzone, no secret, because of the amount of profanity there, regardless of the humor, but hey, free country, free web right....

Viva la Political debate Forum...

Some of us, actually enjoy all the tech stuff, are capable of delivering an argument without profanity or school boy antics, and actually research our points and thoughts clearly, and the with the consent of the Uber moderator, we enjoy exchanging thoughts...regardless of how many drive by posts by cranks...

New members won't stop coming, and new variations of forums aren't going to change either, regardless of the rules, people are going exhange ideas, whether it is here or not, but this particuler website, has given credibility to the idea that those that visit, are capable of agreeing, exchanging, or disagreeing about issues of importance that go beyond the scope of plasma displays, new keyboards and all the gear that is constantly churned out for our consumption....

If the Political Debate Forum was eliminated then so be it, but it would be a direct reflection of ability of the Supreme DH beings to bring more than just tech stuff to the members. I for one would be disappointed, but then my only investment is the time I spend here enjoying it....I am not part of internal political process with Driver Heaven, since I have a career, but I enjoy it all the same. It is a premier site and I invite anyone with the ability to stand back and see it from it's inception to now, describe the fantastic growth and contributions it has made to their computer knowlege and opinions and ideas they have learned here. I invite anyone on the staff to ask for an opinion or other DH members if they choose, in the political debate forum or in off topic....but not the Flaming Warzone....ha ha..

merry · Apr 24, 2003, 06:33 AM

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Originally posted by Naumo_JR
I don't think it fits in with the whole "Driver Heaven" theme. Meaning relating to technology etc...

That's just my opinion.

It probably doesn't, but it has a lot of activity, more than some of the technical forums. I think it was originally meant to take off the Flame Warzone some discussions that didn't belong there neither in off-topic.

Falstaff · Apr 24, 2003, 07:13 AM

GO MERRY GO MERRY GO MERRY GO MERRY (wave)

Zardon · Apr 24, 2003, 07:21 AM

The Political Forum is a popular section on this site and I certainly dont think its a waste of space or time, certainly it has gotten out of hand on occassion but those people responsible have been warned and some have been removed.

It wont be closing and for all those who dislike it, just dont click it, its pretty simple.

Falstaff · Apr 24, 2003, 02:00 PM

GO ZARDON GO ZARDON GO ZARDON GO ZARDON

Dom · Apr 24, 2003, 02:51 PM

Personally I think the “Political Debate” forum is necessary to have on DH and is as valid and relevant to the site as the “Off-Topic” and “Flame Warzone” forums.

NaumoJR · Apr 24, 2003, 02:53 PM

I never said I didn't like it.

Nor did I say we should get rid of it.

I just said that it seems out of place at this site.

digitalwanderer · Apr 24, 2003, 02:59 PM

I always liked those two forums, they give a good place for some damned fined conversations to start in.

PD is a hot-topic, sort-of-pushing it lounge...but that's just 'cause the subject is so volitile and we all hold our views so passionately. I agree with MacD that mutual respect among the members there is what keeps it going, but a lot of noobs don't seem to get that. (Or ByteMe, but he's sort of incorrigible that way.

)

The FW is absolutely necessary for DH, IMHO; it keeps this place real. It might be silly/dumb about 99% of the time, but I think it's utterly crucial to have a place where you can go and have a no-holds barred discussion about anything. This place wouldn't be an outlet without it.

Just my .02, but I like this place.

toddsmack2k · Apr 24, 2003, 03:38 PM

I like the idea of DH encompassing more than just technology. While that may be its first priority and damn good at it, I think all forums here help us cover all bases. It helps us to become more of a community rather than just a site online that has some reviews and information. I love reading all the posts in the FW and PD forum. You can actually learn something and learn about your fellow members here. The good and the bad all go hand in hand. But i honestly do believe that very very few of will disagree when i say the good is a landslide compared to the bad. You have a place 99% of the time where great discussion occurs and very intelligent discussion occurs. Then you have a place where you can say anything you want about anything. Like dig said no-holds barred a place to vent all you can handle. I like having both of them!

I would also like to give JavaFox and ToshiroOC some praise for doing a very hard job in moderating the PD section. It is tougher than you all might think. I think they have done a very balanced job and good job. Letting free speech roll but enforcing the rules. Like i have said a very fine line indeed.

digitalwanderer · Apr 24, 2003, 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by toddsmack2k
I would also like to give JavaFox and ToshiroOC some praise for doing a very hard job in moderating the PD section. It is tougher than you all might think. I think they have done a very balanced job and good job. Letting free speech roll but enforcing the rules. Like i have said a very fine line indeed.

I couldn't agree with you more, but I'll go a step further and praise all the mods/admins on doing a thankless job most excellently and gracefully.

Easy it is not, but necessary it is; you guys keep a good balance.

toddsmack2k · Apr 24, 2003, 03:46 PM

Yes i agree with ya again! Major props to all here

BWX · Apr 24, 2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by toddsmack2k
Yes i agree with ya again! Major props to all here

agreed

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Easy it is not, but necessary it is; you guys keep a good balance.

yup- hard to do I bet--
I have had a lot of fun arguing in the PD forum-- and leaned quite a bit of self control dealing with people like bluelite (hard to stay calm)-- I finally had to put him on my ignore list because I couldn't stomach it anymore-- But interesting none the less.

Byteme still E-mails me trying to get me to say stuff to Zardon, really-- it's hilarious-- I had to set my Outlook Express to "ignore" him as well. I should post some of his e-mails up to let you see them-- but I won't - he was banned for a reason--->

I have no idea, but Iwould bet a lot of people sign up and come here just to read some of the stuff that goes on in the PD forum- some of those thousands upon thousands who sign up and never post 1 thing probably....... it is really very interesting, no matter where you stand on the issues. I have to limit myself to posting there because I want to say things to certain people that I know will get me booted right outta here- and it isn't worth it. It is still a great part of this website in general and would be a shame if it wasn't here.

Zardon · Apr 24, 2003, 05:01 PM

oh Byteme wants back in I know that, he has already asked...... and maybe after he gets some therapy I might let him

I was kind of sick getting 20 emails a week from members about him.

Jeff · Apr 24, 2003, 05:04 PM

The flame warzone started out as "nVidiot vs fanATIc... something", it started out related to nV vs ATI, but then it grew from there.

BWX · Apr 24, 2003, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
oh Byteme wants back in I know that, he has already asked...... and maybe after he gets some therapy I might let him I was kind of sick getting 20 emails a week from members about him.

LOL-- he is a very angry guy, funny sometimes, but very angry-- I agree he needs help- lol

Mac Daddy · Apr 26, 2003, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
oh Byteme wants back in I know that, he has already asked...... and maybe after he gets some therapy I might let him I was kind of sick getting 20 emails a week from members about him.

This is interesting. UMM I started this thread as sort of a personal joke between Falling_Jeff and myself.
Oh well looks like we have a debate going on now. HEY LOOK AT THE FORUM NAME.
Debate works !!!

Some fine debating going on here.
Quite stimulating. Minds as opposed to attitudes. Nice!!

As far as Byteme I would certainly like to speak to him myself.
Maybe I can curve that 20 Email quota.....

Zardon · Apr 26, 2003, 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mac Daddy
As far as Byteme I would certainly like to speak to him myself.
Maybe I can curve that 20 Email quota.....

If you want to talk to him thats fine if you already have his information, but his personal information is private. I dont hand out emails or any personal details to any other members. No matter who the person is. We have strict privacy rules on Driverheaven.

Falstaff · Apr 26, 2003, 01:10 PM

said, everyone gets 15 minutes of fame, now Byteme has his, ha ha...

what I don't understand is why he didn't just come up with a new identity and start posting again..

but then, we would probably know who it was, ha ha...

Apr 22, 2003, 02:09 AM	#1
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	PD Forum a waste of time and space I have viewed Zardon's "STICKY" comments and I agree. If you guys wish too Bitch in a Flaming manner. There is a place for that. The Flame Warzone !!! Reasonable debate would make this forum more productive. Personally I have no interest in this Forum. I have commented to Fallang_Jeff that I wish to Bitch Slap my PM and Avril. But I think that is a FW topic. Man Mac Daddy is MAD on that subject But I hold my tongue. This forum has about as much to do with Puters as my suggested Music Forum. And I don't support it __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen

Apr 22, 2003, 04:53 AM	#2
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	There are only a few man A few folks don't like to play fair..i.e. Byteme, etc...and would routinely scour the PD forum just to elicit a flaming response with enflamatory threads...Some of us enjoy it, as I do, but only if someone is willing to contribute. it gets pretty interesting. But driveby posts by flamers should be as you say in the flaming Warzone...If there is a forum that should probably be done away with...it just has to be THE FLAMING WARZONE...I am not a flamer, nor do I wish to participate...I am more inclined to a free exchange of ideas, and learning a little when people contribute with factual sources, much like you would if you were looking for a soundcard, monitor tweak, or a funky bug regarding a famous OS... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 24, 2003, 07:13 AM	#7
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	You go girl GO MERRY GO MERRY GO MERRY GO MERRY (wave) __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 24, 2003, 02:00 PM	#9
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	You go Z!!!!!!! GO ZARDON GO ZARDON GO ZARDON GO ZARDON __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Apr 24, 2003, 02:59 PM	#12
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	FW PD I always liked those two forums, they give a good place for some damned fined conversations to start in. PD is a hot-topic, sort-of-pushing it lounge...but that's just 'cause the subject is so volitile and we all hold our views so passionately. I agree with MacD that mutual respect among the members there is what keeps it going, but a lot of noobs don't seem to get that. (Or ByteMe, but he's sort of incorrigible that way. ) The FW is absolutely necessary for DH, IMHO; it keeps this place real. It might be silly/dumb about 99% of the time, but I think it's utterly crucial to have a place where you can go and have a no-holds barred discussion about anything. This place wouldn't be an outlet without it. Just my .02, but I like this place. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Apr 24, 2003, 04:02 AM	#4
NaumoJR Paranoid Android Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Planet Telex Posts: 1,029 Rep Power: 0	I don't think it fits in with the whole "Driver Heaven" theme. Meaning relating to technology etc... That's just my opinion.

Apr 24, 2003, 07:21 AM	#8
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	The Political Forum is a popular section on this site and I certainly dont think its a waste of space or time, certainly it has gotten out of hand on occassion but those people responsible have been warned and some have been removed. It wont be closing and for all those who dislike it, just dont click it, its pretty simple.

Apr 24, 2003, 02:51 PM	#10
Dom DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 12,940 Rep Power: 0	Personally I think the “Political Debate” forum is necessary to have on DH and is as valid and relevant to the site as the “Off-Topic” and “Flame Warzone” forums.

Apr 24, 2003, 02:53 PM	#11
NaumoJR Paranoid Android Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Planet Telex Posts: 1,029 Rep Power: 0	I never said I didn't like it. Nor did I say we should get rid of it. I just said that it seems out of place at this site.

Apr 24, 2003, 03:38 PM	#13
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	I agree with ya Dig I like the idea of DH encompassing more than just technology. While that may be its first priority and damn good at it, I think all forums here help us cover all bases. It helps us to become more of a community rather than just a site online that has some reviews and information. I love reading all the posts in the FW and PD forum. You can actually learn something and learn about your fellow members here. The good and the bad all go hand in hand. But i honestly do believe that very very few of will disagree when i say the good is a landslide compared to the bad. You have a place 99% of the time where great discussion occurs and very intelligent discussion occurs. Then you have a place where you can say anything you want about anything. Like dig said no-holds barred a place to vent all you can handle. I like having both of them! I would also like to give JavaFox and ToshiroOC some praise for doing a very hard job in moderating the PD section. It is tougher than you all might think. I think they have done a very balanced job and good job. Letting free speech roll but enforcing the rules. Like i have said a very fine line indeed. __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Apr 24, 2003, 03:46 PM	#15
toddsmack2k It Never..... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 3,173 Rep Power: 0	Yes i agree with ya again! Major props to all here __________________ [color=blue]*Bleeding From the Inside Pouring Out, The* *DriverHeaven* Spiral, We Shall Never Let Go Of.[/color]

Apr 24, 2003, 05:01 PM	#17
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	oh Byteme wants back in I know that, he has already asked...... and maybe after he gets some therapy I might let him I was kind of sick getting 20 emails a week from members about him.

Apr 24, 2003, 05:04 PM	#18
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	The flame warzone started out as "nVidiot vs fanATIc... something", it started out related to nV vs ATI, but then it grew from there. __________________

Apr 26, 2003, 01:10 PM	#22
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Andy Warhol said, everyone gets 15 minutes of fame, now Byteme has his, ha ha... what I don't understand is why he didn't just come up with a new identity and start posting again.. but then, we would probably know who it was, ha ha... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."