mascotzel

I've read your review and it ends in the wrong way
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews....=854&pageid=11

you are comparing non-reference GT220 ( OC-ed and GDDR3) with a generic no specs 4650 (which I assume is the reference GDDR2 version)...1GB of GDDR has no effect at the level this cards are meant to be used

and so,in your review,the cards seems just great...and they aren't

they are way slower than a 4670 and a 9600GT (BTW,you say the opposite,without testing),while they cost the same or more

you loose credibility making statements without grounds

this is not trolling,I often read your hardware reviews ...and my join date is old enough (no posts here cause I don't have time for all hardware forums out there)

Veridian3

HI, sorry for not being more specific in the test specs, a small oversight on my part... but the card was actually Gigabyte's 4650 1Gb OC edition which is a perfect valid comparison.

As for how fast (or slow) the GT220 is, i guess I have to bow down to the infinitely better knowledge you have gained from not actually using one. It clearly better equipped you about the performance of the product than someone who has used two and been able to directly compare them to a 4650 in actual gaming scenarios.

clanman

Actually I have the gigabyte card they used in the test, its an awesome board and I use it in my media center at home on my HDTV. the performance of the card is basically how I see it in the games ive played so I can make an informed decision if I should invest a minimal amount of money to update my media PC graphics card.

Nonsense.

Actually I think its quite the reverse, I respect Driverheaven and I think veridian3 is one of the best graphics card reviewers on the net. thats why I stay here now and not on Tomshardware, Hardocp or Anandtech. You don't speak for the DriverHeaven audience by saying this. You actually look really foolish coming out with a 1 post statement like this.

But you make time to make your first post against something that has annoyed you on some personal level without any experience of the hardware in question. Here is the kicker, you are wrong and it is trolling. I expect to see an apology to the guys who spend all their time helping us make informed choices. I doubt you will have the decency to admit you are wrong, but thats the joys of the internet. I never cease to get amazed with this mentality over the love of a specific GFX maker. I must be one of the few people who buys the best deal at the right time regardless of who makes it.

BlueMak

There is a good reason why although they do not delete any such posts, no posts (perhaps one a year?) about DH losing credibility exist. Not for reviews done by DH, not for statements, interviews, etc.
Even if there was something there (of what you imply), for whatever reason, don't you think that from the huge audience that this site has, there would be more talk about this "mistake"?

No one is perfect, but for your first post here to just drop such an accusation and say or imply things about DH is, silly at best.

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mascotzel

well,an argument like the fact that in every other review outhere GT220 is the weaker card (and I'm talking here about GT220 versus 9600GT,as you stated in the review,and versus 4670 as I mentioned because it shows what the real value is)?!

the fact that I have just one post,means that you are right!?...how come?! (I'm the kind of guy that reads silently good things and only speaks up when something's wrong)

please...take a 4670,a 9600GT and the forementioned cards...test them and make a valid conclusion

you see,the problem is not in the actual numbers,which are probably true (for the right of things,you should mention on the test details page the relevant hardware specs),it's the conclusion ,because:
- you've tested non reference cards ,but you've drawn conclusions on the chipset (the reference version is slower)
- you say it's better than 9600GT,but you haven't tested that
- you've given value appreciations,but you haven't put the cards against similar existing cards (and GT220 is in the same price range as 4670)

if a n00b gets and read your conclusion,he'll buy one with the imporession he's got a great deal,and it's not

macbiter

Hang on a minute. you are saying the review is not relevant because the GT220 are "non standard" cards. Why is this an issue? People can a: buy the cards b: all the cards are overclocked in the review even the ATI side of the equation. Would you rather Driverheaven plonked in a bog standard ATI card and then you could say " but the ATI card isn't overclocked?" (like you did wrongly initially).

Basically this is what I see to this point

You came in here accusing Veridian3 of poor reviewing because the ATi compare product wasn't overclocked and the Nvidia boards are.

You then find out the ATi board is in fact overclocked and all cards are available to the end user and now its because the Nvidia boards are overclocked? What do you want, ATi overclocked versus the ordinary Nvidia board? Seriously man, deep breaths.

A n00b did read it. you. You don't understand good testing - move along. Driverheaven were sent overclocked Nvidia boards and they used an overclocked ATI board in the same price range to compare against, its the most logical thing ive ever seen. This isn't about proving 'who is best' its about reviewing products they are sent and finding the most viable ways of comparing them against a competitor product with the same marketplace stance (OC'd in this case) and offering the results.

Alex

It was a great review. You will see mascotzel that Driverheaven readers and the core community here have no time at all for company favouritism. This is basically all this thread is about at the end of the day. You clearly own one of the ATI cards in this range and don't like the findings - the fact you have been here for over a year and now just decide to post with utter nonsense shows that you haven't learned anything by some of the nets greatest hardware reviews, nor are you willing to listen to people who are clearly very educated on the matter. Your loss.

mascotzel

GT220 reference comes with GDDR2,as does the 4650
the 4650 in the test has GDDR2,the GT220 has not

if I say clearly that it's not about the numbers in the review,why do you relate to them?
that's a minor comment,that wasn't the point of my topic...the point is "your conclusion is missleading"

and here is the fraze that started it all,it's from your review ,and not crazy things from my mouth (also,I don't have a fetish about DH,I like to read hardware news and tests,and that means that I've already read all the other tests on GT220 before I got to DH)
plus the GH value stars,10/10...when there are better performing cards at same pricepoints ( but hey,you dismiss them)

I'm not an ATI fan,4650 is a crappy product as well (4670 is decent)
If I was ,I would have been all over your reviews praising ATI and sh****g on Nvidia
also,I must be a great anti-DH terrorist to have waited all this time from June 08 to make crappy statements about DH (whilst in all this time reading all their reviews and not saying a thing)

and let's here a voice that tells us how badly the 9600GT performs...is that site lying in this review?! (BTW,if you don't get it,that review shows a way better performing card than GT220 in numbers)

mascotzel

and of course,the supreme argument : if I don't agree,I must be on the other side
too bad that the supposed "ATI" in my PC looks so green

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DJ BIG T

i think you need to read again i dont see noting there about gddr2 you have one with gddr3 and one with gddr5

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BlueMak

Do you use a CRT monitor? Just curious.

But your attitude sucks no matter what. (Not that you are right).

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mascotzel

@ DJ BIG T : get your facts and specs right,it's 3 a.m. here and I'm not gonna stay and poor technical specs here

@BlueMak : it's an LCD,photos made with a compact camera and not screenshots, I also made a video but it doesn't look to clear (and I must wait for youtube)
why all this trouble?!
because I read all the posts,I give solid arguments,and I receive fanboy accusation ....so I must probably dance near my NV card to be believed that I have it ( I expect acusations that I would fake the screenshots)

I wonder if anyone reads exactly what I'm saying and puts it to the grinding machine of their mind,or they just please themselves to accuse me of talking crap....and hey,there's a whole big world outhere that said some things about this card,you don't have to listen to me

I don't care about the forums of DH (my activity shows that),I don't know how long the topic will survive
but if things stay the same, I'll refrain myself in the future to point some of your reviews to the others and take some articles with a little bit more salt

that's it for today...I'll see if the topic is still here in the daylight

craig5320

If you don't care much, why are you on he lab's board asking whose with you? looking for backup, well with 20 members you might be hard pushed finding support.

At the end of the day Veridian answered your question, and it seems perfectly reasonable to me. We don't need you to dance around with your gfx, the thought is quite enough.

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Zardon

what a waste of everyones time.

We were sent two GT220 cards for review. they happened to be overclocked models so we included an overclocked compare product - all cards are on sale and we are here to test products people can buy and use. The GT220 is a significantly improved product on the older models for all the reasons listed in the review, such as audio over HDMI which is a good move from Nvidia. I am not going over it all in here, the review has all the information.

I know a hell of a lot of reviewers in this industry, I have employed many, i have worked with literally hundreds and Veridian3 is the most intelligent, and hard working of them all. His testing methodology and ability to review a product are without compare. I let him do his job and I deal with the companies who might get annoyed when he tells the truth. He has worked double shifts without complaint since last Thursday to make sure he covers as much as possible with all the GFX releases lately. People without that kind of dedication would have been asleep in a pile of pizza boxes two days ago.

This is such a ridiculously stupid thread im closing it. Let me also make another point clear - I don't tolerate trolls. Sure, have your opinion, but if that opinion is based on nothing but close minded ill founded attacks on my staff members and the ethics of this site then you won't be hanging around too long. I have more important things to be doing that reading this drivvle.