MSN Ad Ruins Forum Browsing

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 22, 2004, 04:29 PM

I'm using opera and whenever I use my back button it unloads the MSN search ad at the top, but keeps the page the same. I have to do my "go back" mouse gesture twice to go back a page. It's not just the gesture either, if I click the back buttons I also have to click them twice.

This bug does not exist in IE. I haven't tested it in firefox. Please fix.

edit: I'm using latest version of opera.

RVachon · Oct 22, 2004, 04:41 PM

Doesn't happen in Firefox.

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 22, 2004, 04:44 PM

Thanks for the firefox confirm

Zardon · Oct 22, 2004, 05:33 PM

Seems every build of Opera is different and its not on our list of 100% supported browsers, sorry. Unless craig5320 wants to look into it.

No_Style · Oct 22, 2004, 05:46 PM

Confirmed to be a bug with Opera 7.54. Opera is great and I adore it, but I will admit that it has issues with some sites.

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 22, 2004, 06:19 PM

Opera and firefox are following web standards a whole lot better than IE is. If a website doesn't work, it isn't opera; it's the code.

Zardon · Oct 22, 2004, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YAYitsAndrew

Opera and firefox are following web standards a whole lot better than IE is. If a website doesn't work, it isn't opera; it's the code.

And Opera is also less than 1% of our readership, isnt hard to do the math. if craig has time he will look into it, personally its not on my do to list, once we fix that issue the next build of opera comes out and another one crops up.

YAYitsAndrew · Oct 22, 2004, 08:49 PM

Sorry didn't mean to cause any offense. It's probably MS's ad code not your stuff. I understand the low priority it has, but I feel better knowing that you at least recognize the bug exists.

Opera is probably a bigger percentage of your readership, but it default identifies itself as MSIE for some reason.

Zardon · Oct 22, 2004, 09:10 PM

You havent caused offense. Driverheaven isnt a business, its a site owned by myself with the help of some friends who spend a lot of free time here with reviews, articles and some of them help in maintaining and improving the site. I am aware of issues with opera but as I said its not high on my list in the "to fix" department because it has such a small percentage of a user base. Im aware of how good they say their standards are but there are more issues with this browser on sites than any other due to the fact they keep changing code (and have their own fair share of bug issues) and I dont have the manpower to keep fixing the problems that arise with this browser specifically. The majority of people who come to driverheaven use IE, then mozilla. If a problem occurs with IE we get hundreds of mails a month, if we get a problem with opera we get one or two comments a month. Part of solving problems is prioritizing them with the people I have here, Craig5320 (our designer) is aware of the issues with opera and may get time in the future to go over our code (to fix opera issues while not cause problems with other browsers) but there are more important issues right now. The site works in opera with a few glitches its not unusable.

Thanks.

pr0digal jenius · Oct 22, 2004, 09:51 PM

What happens if you try a different flash plugin for Opera? Maybe update it if you haven't, or revert to one version older if you have....does that help? my guess is Opera releases builds much faster then macromedia, and that it could be the actual flash plugin.

***craig5320*** · Oct 22, 2004, 11:41 PM

Which AD are you referrring to, the ad's are regional and I don't see an MSN add at all. I assume it's the large one underneath the ATI banner, we can't control that code. It's straight from the AD providers but it's likely an issue with the way they call the scripting up, because it loads a second portion of code from a different site, when you click back, you are technically going back a page, but jus the page or section of code, that loaded from the ad server, which results in you still being on the same DH page, you understand what I mean? It's a drawback of Opera being so strict on coding. Not much I can see to do about it.

YAYitsAndrew · Nov 18, 2004, 01:08 PM

Yeah it is that second ad. I tried adding the class for it to my user.css but i still have the same problem (only now I don't see the ad at all). It looks like it is in the js that's loading in the iframe.

Is there any other css trick I can try? The ad.php doesn't have any class names or ids that I can block out. Do gold members have those ads at the top? I'd pay 5 dollars if it meant only having to do my back mouse gesture once.

***craig5320*** · Nov 18, 2004, 02:19 PM

Gold members are awarded their status, Donators get the Silver medal, both still have full AD's. Everyone has ADs even staff, we don't like discrimination

As for blocking it, if you've managed to remove it but it still does it, then I don't know how you'd get round it.

YAYitsAndrew · Nov 18, 2004, 03:06 PM

Yeah looks like it's out of our hands, I'm going to submit it to opera as a bug.

edit: submitted it to them with a url and steps to reproduce. Here's my summary:

Whenever I visit the forums listed in the url above, I need to click the back button twice or do my back mouse gesture twice in order to go back a page. The cause of the bug is the second ad at the top of the page which loads a php page (which runs some js) into an iframe. The first back gesture/click will unload the iframe page (remove the ad leaving a white empty iframe) and the second back gesture/click will actually go back a page in the forum.

I tried adding a {display:none !important} for the iframe classname to my user.css and this doesn't draw the iframe, but the page is still loaded (just not shown) and I have the same problem.

This issue is not existant in any other browser.

Oct 22, 2004, 04:29 PM	#1
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	MSN Ad Ruins Forum Browsing I'm using opera and whenever I use my back button it unloads the MSN search ad at the top, but keeps the page the same. I have to do my "go back" mouse gesture twice to go back a page. It's not just the gesture either, if I click the back buttons I also have to click them twice. This bug does not exist in IE. I haven't tested it in firefox. Please fix. edit: I'm using latest version of opera. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com Last edited by YAYitsAndrew; Oct 22, 2004 at 04:45 PM.

Oct 22, 2004, 04:41 PM	#2
RVachon Genuine Crazy Canuck Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hamilton, ON Canada Posts: 208 Rep Power: 0	Doesn't happen in Firefox. __________________ AMD 64 3500+ Winnie \| MSI Neo4 Platinum \| 1 GB Corsair TwinX1024 PC3200 Dual Channel \| ATI RADEON x850XT \| 200 GB WD SATA150 8 MB Buffer 7200 RPM \| Win XP Pro SP2 \|\|

Oct 22, 2004, 04:44 PM	Thread Starter #3
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Thanks for the firefox confirm __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 22, 2004, 05:46 PM	#5
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	Confirmed to be a bug with Opera 7.54. Opera is great and I adore it, but I will admit that it has issues with some sites. __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Oct 22, 2004, 06:19 PM	Thread Starter #6
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Opera and firefox are following web standards a whole lot better than IE is. If a website doesn't work, it isn't opera; it's the code. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 22, 2004, 05:33 PM	#4
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	Seems every build of Opera is different and its not on our list of 100% supported browsers, sorry. Unless craig5320 wants to look into it.

Oct 22, 2004, 08:49 PM	Thread Starter #8
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Sorry didn't mean to cause any offense. It's probably MS's ad code not your stuff. I understand the low priority it has, but I feel better knowing that you at least recognize the bug exists. Opera is probably a bigger percentage of your readership, but it default identifies itself as MSIE for some reason. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Oct 22, 2004, 09:10 PM	#9
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	You havent caused offense. Driverheaven isnt a business, its a site owned by myself with the help of some friends who spend a lot of free time here with reviews, articles and some of them help in maintaining and improving the site. I am aware of issues with opera but as I said its not high on my list in the "to fix" department because it has such a small percentage of a user base. Im aware of how good they say their standards are but there are more issues with this browser on sites than any other due to the fact they keep changing code (and have their own fair share of bug issues) and I dont have the manpower to keep fixing the problems that arise with this browser specifically. The majority of people who come to driverheaven use IE, then mozilla. If a problem occurs with IE we get hundreds of mails a month, if we get a problem with opera we get one or two comments a month. Part of solving problems is prioritizing them with the people I have here, Craig5320 (our designer) is aware of the issues with opera and may get time in the future to go over our code (to fix opera issues while not cause problems with other browsers) but there are more important issues right now. The site works in opera with a few glitches its not unusable. Thanks.

Oct 22, 2004, 09:51 PM	#10
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	What happens if you try a different flash plugin for Opera? Maybe update it if you haven't, or revert to one version older if you have....does that help? my guess is Opera releases builds much faster then macromedia, and that it could be the actual flash plugin.

Oct 22, 2004, 11:41 PM	#11
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,565 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	Which AD are you referrring to, the ad's are regional and I don't see an MSN add at all. I assume it's the large one underneath the ATI banner, we can't control that code. It's straight from the AD providers but it's likely an issue with the way they call the scripting up, because it loads a second portion of code from a different site, when you click back, you are technically going back a page, but jus the page or section of code, that loaded from the ad server, which results in you still being on the same DH page, you understand what I mean? It's a drawback of Opera being so strict on coding. Not much I can see to do about it. __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Nov 18, 2004, 01:08 PM	Thread Starter #12
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Yeah it is that second ad. I tried adding the class for it to my user.css but i still have the same problem (only now I don't see the ad at all). It looks like it is in the js that's loading in the iframe. Is there any other css trick I can try? The ad.php doesn't have any class names or ids that I can block out. Do gold members have those ads at the top? I'd pay 5 dollars if it meant only having to do my back mouse gesture once. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Nov 18, 2004, 02:19 PM	#13
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,565 Rep Power: 445 System Specs	Gold members are awarded their status, Donators get the Silver medal, both still have full AD's. Everyone has ADs even staff, we don't like discrimination As for blocking it, if you've managed to remove it but it still does it, then I don't know how you'd get round it. __________________ HardwareHeaven on Facebook

Nov 18, 2004, 03:06 PM	Thread Starter #14
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Yeah looks like it's out of our hands, I'm going to submit it to opera as a bug. edit: submitted it to them with a url and steps to reproduce. Here's my summary: Whenever I visit the forums listed in the url above, I need to click the back button twice or do my back mouse gesture twice in order to go back a page. The cause of the bug is the second ad at the top of the page which loads a php page (which runs some js) into an iframe. The first back gesture/click will unload the iframe page (remove the ad leaving a white empty iframe) and the second back gesture/click will actually go back a page in the forum. I tried adding a {display:none !important} for the iframe classname to my user.css and this doesn't draw the iframe, but the page is still loaded (just not shown) and I have the same problem. This issue is not existant in any other browser. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com Last edited by YAYitsAndrew; Nov 18, 2004 at 03:18 PM.