Maddogg6

Ok... out of respect - I will post this here to 1) avoid a FWZ in the off topic forum... 2) say whats on my mind and 3) people can call me an ass-hole for doing so, so soon after his untimely demize...(when in a few weeks, most will likely forget all about this subject...)
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To me - any drug overdose is never 'accidental' when all that is known about the dangers - and the known problems with mixing them makes them that much more dangerous, again this is very well known and advertised. If ignorant, then maybe its an accident, but as an adult exposed to all the anti-drug campaigns - I highly doubt he could claim ignorance.

Granted I was not close enough with this person to know them well enough to judge, nor enough to weep any more than a child who suffers from a disease they had no hand in causing.

But because he was a star in hollywood - some people will literally cry over his death - and to me - that comes off as patronizing and insincere, if not misplaced.

Its a shame he (along with countless others) felt he needed pharmacology to get through the day/night - to me thats the real shame. His death should be the wakeup call those who rely on pharmacology to get through life... but doesn't seem like it - there will likely be others in the future. *Thats* what should make people weep. Thats the real shame of this, Keith Ledger is yet another poster child of the real problem.

SFOSOK

I don't really think we have enough details to his case to say he accidentally OD'd or not. What actors work through or what problems he might have been suffering from are beyond me. As an example, he could have been prescribed two different drugs for different things. Doctors may have known of any adverse side affects of the pills with each other. Also from what I've read up on this case its all still speculation.



While I do agree with your stance on dependency on prescribed drugs I can't say this case is a valid example to prove your point until we have all the information on it.



As far as people crying over it. It is the same as if any young person OD'd. It is a sad thing and a waste but I didn't know them personally

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OmegaRED

Tom Cruise, is that you?

That's what I think happened, he had prescriptions for things which conflicted with each other and if he had gotten them all from a legit doctor he'd have told him that.

We have to remember Heath Ledger was under a lot of stress in his role as The Joker and when the entire production is waiting on you it's not feasible to experiment with natural remedies for his insomnia...he needed immediate results and that kind of pressure may have been the factor in him not taking proper precautions when taking such drugs.

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Methious

He was a good actor I enjoyed several of his films. Sorry to see him go accidental or other wise. Funny how many people you think of as having every thing and they end up crapping out from self inflicted drugs or alcohol.

Seems like if it were 2 prescribed drugs the doctors and pharmacies would have known. When you get a prescription these days all doctor ordered prescriptions show up on the pharmacy computer and conflicting prescriptions are flagged. (I know a pharmacist I do some computer work for)

OmegaRED

I read yesterday that some of the drugs he got overseas (dunno if it's true) so maybe that's why it wasn't flagged.

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Maddogg6

Well, Ill admit that I am using his case to point out what I see as the bigger issue at hand.

lol.... no, its the same guy who called scientology erm... well look for your self... but we may agree on some things in life... despite our other conflicting views.

I heard 3 prescribed drugs were involved..?? but, yeah - the media loves to speculate and report un-checked 'facts'....

Well given the money hollywood takes in - and how many times things like this happens - you would think the actors guild would demand change - if they care about the well being of their members... like having 24/7 access to a psychiatrist - and not *just* pills.
Or perhaps - limiting the length of a typical day on set - they can afford it - don't you think?

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I have yet to have found a doctor that I was seeing to *not* ask if, and what, prescriptions I was already taking. Perhaps its negligence of his doctor(s) - but with the growing popularity of prescription med abuse - I would have to say I have doubts that is the case... but...

Methious

What made me wonder was that he was documented as recently having talked about death and dieing. Saw it on some news flash before cause of death was released.

dj_stick

probably some australian prescriptions from when he was back here

i saw something in the news mentioning that US authorities may questions some AU doctors in relation to this

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[hobo]eclipse

sad he died, but pathetic is the amount of coverage.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta

ok i'll agree, sure there's been a lot of coverage and its been too much on a celebrity's death (would they do the same for me or you? nope. we aren't celebs). But that statement about relying on pharmacology to get through life is probably the biggest piece of horseshit i've heard from anyone. What anxiety, depression, alzheimers, schizophrenia and various mental illness don't require medical attention and the assistance of drugs or natural supplements? Of course we have a responsibility of taking our meds properly, but have you ever tried maintaining those things. They are fucked up things those anti-depressants and mood elevators (and the rest). In addition, everyone's body acts to drugs differently; for Heath the mix was fatal but the same mix could of been fine for someone else. If he was taking them irresponsibly there is no excuse, but these types of meds (like most) are dangerous and outcomes vary for everyone.

I have seen and experienced terrible side effects from medications while taking them exactly as prescribed, not irresponsibly. In addition, informing my doctor once I had a side effect. For some people, they don't even get the chance to do that.

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Maddogg6

well, until they officially state it was from a mix that caused some allergic reaction, all we can do is speculate.... and perhaps you didnt see this?:
Knowing that there *is* alot known about how mixing meds will cause additional side effects... so, yes, I am assuming a lot in his case, all we *can do* is to continue to speculate given the amount of conflicting reports.... but I went on to say....
'the 'but...' was indication that, there is always the exception to the rule. But I myself, feel it is safer to assume either abuse by the patient or negligence of the care giver. (3 prescribed - I heard as much as 6 - meds, and NOT watched closely - as in admitted into a hospitol - to me should constitute negligence on someones part)

Drug Facts - Prescription Drug Abuse

And.. this was interesting (true or not??)
HEATH LEDGER - LEDGER'S DRUG BINGES WITH CAMPBELL
I dunno, if I was prescribed multiple drugs, I would at the very least ask about the potential side effects (and have it put in writing too) Why, because I care enough to do so. But, unless, I was wanting to abuse them, maybe I wouldn't.

1) 'mood enhancers' are not a replacement for phsychiatry, its a tool they use to enhance their treatments
2) his doctor obviously wasnt monitoring him close enough (surely he could afford a good doctor), that is, if it wasn't abuse.

And sure, there are cases of true accidents... but with how many drug related problems have come out of hollywood - come on, you can't possibly say, theres no drug abuse problem in hollywood. can you?
Will you or I ever get all the facts? - not likely, so all we can go by *is* circumstantial and deduced information.

And you are still here to tell about it - no? The steps you took were obviously the right steps.

Senor_Mota

Isn't it Heath Ledger? Keith may be his older, less-talented brother who didn't play The Joker or "overdose" on sleeping meds.

I could be wrong...

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Maddogg6

no you are right it supposed to be 'Heath'- I couldn't edit the thread title to fix it...
edit: well I can edit, but it doesnt seem to stick... /edit

Lowki

The question should be is Senor Monta a legal citizen of the (asshole of the world) united states. If so it doesn't matter like 99% of the shit on this site. As for Keith Ledger dieing who cares Just another inbreed Aussie dead I view it as a good thing one down one family to go.

[hobo]eclipse

no, the real question is who are you, where do you come from, what is your agenda, and will you ever be back


LOL didn't even catch that.

BlueMak

IDontLikeYouInThatWay.com: Heath Ledger Made a Video

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SFOSOK

I'm mostly just glad he finished Batman before he died, we all saw how Game of Death played out when Bruce Lee died. He's Such a f*ckin quiter

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Mofobishop

Eh.. Who cares..

Reckless187

Who the fuck is Keith Ledger?

Cow_160483

Ya dude who the heck is Keith Ledger?? his name is: Heath Ledger
Any way i get how that can be confusing, it was probably a typo.

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Reckless187

Ah, right! Fucking Dyslexia strikes again.

dawgXdenta

Heath ledger was gay, then He was great, then he died of a drug overdose. Sounds like a joke dont it

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dawgXdenta

BTW he was great in Batman. he wasnt great coz he was a gay cowboy. Anyway funny he played a battyboy in his last movie then his arch enemy was a bat. LOL

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BlueMak

So basicaly you live to suck cock and don't want to admit it to yourself?

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