We all have no lives

reno · Jun 18, 2002, 12:21 AM

You know, comparing the TBred to the NorthwoodB is like comparing Mice to Keyboards. Really, clockspeed and operations per second don't mean anything, anything at all. Intel's highend is the 2.53ghz Northwood B, AMD's is the TBred +2200, when you compare those to each other BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRECT COMPETITORS OF EACH OTHER, not because the P4 clocks faster or the AMD does more operations per second or the P4 costs more, you realize the P4 is just plain faster, regardless of price.

I've seen an 8mhz calculator processor perform matrix operations in an add function for a 64x64 matrix to another 64x64 matrix in two seconds, whereas computing that on any current processor could take more than 10 times that. It's all optimizations, the P4 is optimized for brute clock speed and SSE/SSE2, the TBred is optimized for operation per clock and 3dnow. The P4 is faster. End of story.

All you people who argue about architectural advances and the like are dumb. Processors are not about the technology race, it's about money.

Transmeta has 1ghz processors that run Palmtop computers infinitely faster than any AMD or Intel job, but since they only claim 1ghz and have hardly any marketing they lose out to the big boys. Buzzwords sell processors, not technology. It's sad but true. We could have had 10ghz processors by now but these companies consiously limit their new products to maximize profits out of their current ones. Both AMD and Intel are guilty of this. Using year old architectures with just slight clockspeed bumps sells processors, not new architectures. Sorry people.

So stop complaining, P4 owns the performance crown, AMD owns the price-to-performance crown, P4 owns the heat/power crown, AMD owns the architecture crown. It's all even, and it's all done to make more money off of you people, the ones who NEED that extra 66mhz, or in the case of intel users that 133mhz FSB jump.

AGH!

UberLord · Jun 18, 2002, 09:32 AM

YES!!! Gimmie that extra 66 Mhz - erm hang on.

I've been using *gasp* the same CPU *gasp* for over 1 year *gasp* - my little old AMD 1.4 is holding up-speedwise very nicely in the current crop of games. I'm trying to hold off changing CPU until DOOM3 hits the streets - or UT2003 really needs it

Judas · Jun 18, 2002, 11:24 PM

.....could you say the same about cars...

Lets take my Oldsmobile
And lets take a ford...

My car's weight is 2.5 tons
The ford is 0.9 tons

My cars got a 455 Engine V8 rated at about 4800 RPM
The ford has a 2.2L engine rated at 6500 RPM

My car does 0-60 in about 9 seconds
The ford does 0-60 in about 5 Seconds

My car does 0-100 in about 22 seconds
the Ford does 0-100 in about 17 seconds

Top speed for my car 135 MPH
Top speed for the ford 112Mph

My cars got 340 Horses
Fords got 150ish..

who wins on a dino? you figure it out..... really

It is apples and oranges.... i was just giving an example.... the ford could be way off.... but really, isn't it very comparable to intel vs AMD..... my car gausles gas... 20miles to a gallon..... the ford.... 30-40... however, i can pull..push do much more with the engine i've got and weight....comparable to the AMD... but the intell hasn't got the weight or the horses to push it....just has the speed to proves it's worth....

reno · Jun 19, 2002, 12:51 AM

People are such opportunistic fatties. Well, at least Americans and Mexicans are fatties, but the rest of em are going to be someday. I just want my lightsabre! Why can't they make a lightsabre!

Judas · Jun 19, 2002, 04:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
People are such opportunistic fatties. Well, at least Americans and Mexicans are fatties, but the rest of em are going to be someday. I just want my lightsabre! Why can't they make a lightsabre!

/me thinks reno shouldn't get a lightsabre....might just use it?

UberLord · Jun 19, 2002, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
I just want my lightsabre! Why can't they make a lightsabre!

http://www.parksabers.com/

Haven't got one myself, but I'm very tempted

Alan Allen · Jun 19, 2002, 09:51 PM

I need to get out more myself.

Judas · Jun 19, 2002, 11:30 PM

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Originally posted by Alan Allen
I want my avitar!

as do i....but my main avitar is 7 times to big to be aloud as one...plus...i'm a fair bit away from 100 posts...

UberLord · Jun 20, 2002, 09:34 AM

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Originally posted by Judas
as do i....but my main avitar is 7 times to big to be aloud as one...plus.

Yeah - your "Judas 2K+ posts" animated gif is a little to big

Judas · Jun 20, 2002, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
Yeah - your "Judas 2K+ posts" animated gif is a little to big

er? you haven't noticed that i don't use that gif...i use the 38kb.... without the 2K+ Posts....

UberLord · Jun 20, 2002, 05:57 PM

I can't see your avatar on my screen m8

Judas · Jun 20, 2002, 06:32 PM

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Originally posted by UberLord
I can't see your avatar on my screen m8

hey.... dude...i haven't reached 100 posts yet so you won't here... at pvr-net my avatar is 38kb...and doesn't have the 2kposts thingy...

Silentst2000 · Jun 25, 2002, 07:26 PM

Well NASA felt that 400 mhz was too slow so they upgraded to 600 mhz ....then again that was 1024 proc's they upgraded in their supercomputer which makes for a nice increase in performance.

Judas · Jun 26, 2002, 06:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silentst2000
Well NASA felt that 400 mhz was too slow so they upgraded to 600 mhz ....then again that was 1024 proc's they upgraded in their supercomputer which makes for a nice increase in performance.

Could you imagine overclocking the hole works from 100mhz fbs to 110..or even just 105..... that would make a fairly large difference...

alewisa · Jun 27, 2002, 12:07 PM

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we all have no lives

Speak for yourself, you closet living anorak. Don't presume to include me in your baseless assumption that because your life is controlled by marketing, mine is too. I have a mind of my own and am capable of intelligent reasoning and decision making. And living with the consequences of my decision afterwards, without trying to place the blame on market forces, social inequality, deprived childhood or any of the other hundreds of pallitaves that whining f@@king maggots like you drag up everytime your life goes wrong because of something you did.

I have a life, balanced between work, home, socialising, clubbing, touring, and hobbies. If your's consists of work/school, PC PC PC PC that's your fault. Wake up, get dressed and go see the world. Don't buy a new CPU and mobo... Buy - and here's a radical concept - a PLANE ticket. Go ABROAD. Go see parts of the world you haven't seen before. (Hint to Americans, spending 3 days in the capital city of a given country, especially all 3 days in the hotel, does NOT mean you have 'done' the country. There is a lot more to it than that). Visit the Pyramids in Egypt, the Alps in Switzerland, the Lake District in England, watch the Northern Lights in Canada, take a trip down the Nile. Think....

My god, if brains were chocolate, you wouldn't have enough to make a Smartie.

bait cast, sits back in the sunshine, waits for a bite. :-)

Judas · Jun 27, 2002, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by alewisa
Speak for yourself, you closet living anorak. Don't presume to include me in your baseless assumption that because your life is controlled by marketing, mine is too. I have a mind of my own and am capable of intelligent reasoning and decision making. And living with the consequences of my decision afterwards, without trying to place the blame on market forces, social inequality, deprived childhood or any of the other hundreds of pallitaves that whining f@@king maggots like you drag up everytime your life goes wrong because of something you did.

I have a life, balanced between work, home, socialising, clubbing, touring, and hobbies. If your's consists of work/school, PC PC PC PC that's your fault. Wake up, get dressed and go see the world. Don't buy a new CPU and mobo... Buy - and here's a radical concept - a PLANE ticket. Go ABROAD. Go see parts of the world you haven't seen before. (Hint to Americans, spending 3 days in the capital city of a given country, especially all 3 days in the hotel, does NOT mean you have 'done' the country. There is a lot more to it than that). Visit the Pyramids in Egypt, the Alps in Switzerland, the Lake District in England, watch the Northern Lights in Canada, take a trip down the Nile. Think....

My god, if brains were chocolate, you wouldn't have enough to make a Smartie.

bait cast, sits back in the sunshine, waits for a bite. :-)

/me applauds

~~ByteMe~~ · Jun 27, 2002, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
You know, comparing the TBred to the NorthwoodB is like comparing Mice to Keyboards. Really, clockspeed and operations per second don't mean anything, anything at all. Intel's highend is the 2.53ghz Northwood B, AMD's is the TBred +2200, when you compare those to each other BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRECT COMPETITORS OF EACH OTHER, not because the P4 clocks faster or the AMD does more operations per second or the P4 costs more, you realize the P4 is just plain faster, regardless of price.

I've seen an 8mhz calculator processor perform matrix operations in an add function for a 64x64 matrix to another 64x64 matrix in two seconds, whereas computing that on any current processor could take more than 10 times that. It's all optimizations, the P4 is optimized for brute clock speed and SSE/SSE2, the TBred is optimized for operation per clock and 3dnow. The P4 is faster. End of story.

AGH!

Your a moron and not even worth explaining why.

Jeff · Jun 27, 2002, 10:33 PM

Nice to see you here ByteMe!

Zardon · Jun 27, 2002, 10:35 PM

/offtopic no life post

ill certainly admit driverheaven has taken quite a bit of my life lately (and cyborgs), between updating the site, adding things, HTML, flash work, getting it running smoothly, server upgrades, issues and getting leaks etc before anyone else can get them ... but isnt it worth it ?? or are we wasting our time ?

/end offtopic no life post

UberLord · Jun 27, 2002, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Zardon
but isnt it worth it ?? or are we wasting our time ?

Shame on you for asking such a question!

Of course its worth it! The computer is the one we all love and care for through driver upgrades and new mods all installing with Tender Loving Care. Settling down to a new driver release sends shivers up my spine - is DVD playback finally working for me? Has the fog issue in Morrowind been cured?

Then theres the online angle where we all help each other out, solving problems, discussing the merits of MSAA to SSAA and who's currently the latest pinup girl for us geeks.

Zardon · Jun 27, 2002, 10:59 PM

yes maybe I just need a hug from all the hard work and toil lately

now I need to find a 6ft naked model with oversized breasts and a passion for ... ermm

UberLord · Jun 27, 2002, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
yes maybe I just need a hug from all the hard work and toil lately

Dude - I don't like you that well!

Quote:

now I need to find a 6ft naked model with oversized breasts and a passion for ... ermm

A soapy tit wank?

Zardon · Jun 27, 2002, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UberLord
Dude - I don't like you that well!

A soapy tit wank?

no actually I was going to say romantic old black and white movies and ice cream

UberLord · Jun 27, 2002, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
no actually I was going to say romantic old black and white movies and ice cream

Dude - you're scaring me!

~~Crash Override~~ · Jun 28, 2002, 10:13 AM

*slaps Zardon hard with a cold dead fish* For the love of god man.......be a man not a soft teddy bear.

alewisa · Jun 28, 2002, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
yes maybe I just need a hug from all the hard work and toil lately now I need to find a 6ft naked model with oversized breasts and a passion for ... ermm

Virtual hug from one of the girls that works here for me. Piccie to follow (christ, wish I had bought a camera in today ...

Slap on back from me, well done old boy, jolly good show and all that. If you want a comparison, check out slautech.net - it's like driverheaven, but dead. It is worth it...

Chrome · Jul 1, 2002, 10:38 AM

True but,

Look my AMD AthlonXp 1600+ runs Faster than the crap you got running (1.7G,P4)

Jun 18, 2002, 12:21 AM	#1
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	We all have no lives You know, comparing the TBred to the NorthwoodB is like comparing Mice to Keyboards. Really, clockspeed and operations per second don't mean anything, anything at all. Intel's highend is the 2.53ghz Northwood B, AMD's is the TBred +2200, when you compare those to each other BECAUSE THEY ARE DIRECT COMPETITORS OF EACH OTHER, not because the P4 clocks faster or the AMD does more operations per second or the P4 costs more, you realize the P4 is just plain faster, regardless of price. I've seen an 8mhz calculator processor perform matrix operations in an add function for a 64x64 matrix to another 64x64 matrix in two seconds, whereas computing that on any current processor could take more than 10 times that. It's all optimizations, the P4 is optimized for brute clock speed and SSE/SSE2, the TBred is optimized for operation per clock and 3dnow. The P4 is faster. End of story. All you people who argue about architectural advances and the like are dumb. Processors are not about the technology race, it's about money. Transmeta has 1ghz processors that run Palmtop computers infinitely faster than any AMD or Intel job, but since they only claim 1ghz and have hardly any marketing they lose out to the big boys. Buzzwords sell processors, not technology. It's sad but true. We could have had 10ghz processors by now but these companies consiously limit their new products to maximize profits out of their current ones. Both AMD and Intel are guilty of this. Using year old architectures with just slight clockspeed bumps sells processors, not new architectures. Sorry people. So stop complaining, P4 owns the performance crown, AMD owns the price-to-performance crown, P4 owns the heat/power crown, AMD owns the architecture crown. It's all even, and it's all done to make more money off of you people, the ones who NEED that extra 66mhz, or in the case of intel users that 133mhz FSB jump. AGH!

Jun 18, 2002, 09:32 AM	#2
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	YES!!! Gimmie that extra 66 Mhz - erm hang on. I've been using gasp the same CPU gasp for over 1 year gasp - my little old AMD 1.4 is holding up-speedwise very nicely in the current crop of games. I'm trying to hold off changing CPU until DOOM3 hits the streets - or UT2003 really needs it __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jun 19, 2002, 12:51 AM	Thread Starter #4
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sigh... People are such opportunistic fatties. Well, at least Americans and Mexicans are fatties, but the rest of em are going to be someday. I just want my lightsabre! Why can't they make a lightsabre!

Jun 19, 2002, 09:51 PM	#7
Alan Allen The "Eye" Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada Posts: 286 Rep Power: 0	I need to get out more myself. __________________ [COLOR=lightblue] [SIZE=small]Alan Edward Allen[/COLOR] [/SIZE] [SIZE=xsmall] [COLOR=yellow]AMD Athlon T-Bird 1.4Ghz 266fsb (AIR COOLED MC-462A), Gigabyte GA-7DXR - Microsoft Windows Me Micron 512Meg PC2100 DDR 16-8-8-2-6-2-2 @ 2.7v, IBM Deskstar 60GXP 40Gb (x2), Setup as RAID 0 ASUS V8200 Deluxe GeForce3 - nVidia 40.71's [/SIZE] [/COLOR]

Jun 20, 2002, 05:57 PM	#11
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	I can't see your avatar on my screen m8 __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jun 25, 2002, 07:26 PM	#13
Silentst2000 Can I be cool? Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 0	Well NASA felt that 400 mhz was too slow so they upgraded to 600 mhz ....then again that was 1024 proc's they upgraded in their supercomputer which makes for a nice increase in performance. __________________ P4@2.4ghz Radeon 9700pro DDR 400 Nuff said

Jun 27, 2002, 10:33 PM	#18
Jeff Yarr... I be blind! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 3,191 Rep Power: 80	Nice to see you here ByteMe! __________________

Jun 27, 2002, 10:35 PM	#19
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	/offtopic no life post ill certainly admit driverheaven has taken quite a bit of my life lately (and cyborgs), between updating the site, adding things, HTML, flash work, getting it running smoothly, server upgrades, issues and getting leaks etc before anyone else can get them ... but isnt it worth it ?? or are we wasting our time ? /end offtopic no life post

Jun 27, 2002, 10:59 PM	#21
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	yes maybe I just need a hug from all the hard work and toil lately now I need to find a 6ft naked model with oversized breasts and a passion for ... ermm

Jun 28, 2002, 10:13 AM	#25
~~Crash Override~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Olympia, WA Posts: 2,448 Rep Power: 0	slaps Zardon hard with a cold dead fish For the love of god man.......be a man not a soft teddy bear.

Jul 1, 2002, 10:38 AM	#27
Chrome DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	So what your really trying to say isss.. True but, Look my AMD AthlonXp 1600+ runs Faster than the crap you got running (1.7G,P4)