ATI users Unite !!

Doomtrooper · Jun 26, 2002, 04:41 AM

I was reading Tom Pabsts ENGLISH review of the Parhelia when I came across this:

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In Part II, we'll be looking at the Parhelia's image quality and its performance at maximum quality, with a comparison to an NVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti4600. Here, we won't be including ATI's Radeon 8500, because its anisotropic filtering, which involves various driver tricks, is somewhat controversial and would make a comparison unnecessarily complicated.

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I am stunned why they would leave out the Radeon 8500's strongest feature because ATI chose adaptive bilinear anisotropic filtering that results in minimal perfomance hit yet delivers excellent IQ

Let the flames begin !!

Jeff · Jun 26, 2002, 04:43 AM

Well they are obviously idiots, I don't know what else there is to say!

Doomtrooper · Jun 26, 2002, 04:50 AM

Tom can kiss my

Ryoko · Jun 26, 2002, 04:58 AM

OMG someone's biased? light the stake!

Doomtrooper · Jun 26, 2002, 05:23 AM

Come on you gotta admit that is pathetic, If you apply this type of thinking throughout, then Matrox FAA cannot possibly be compared to NV FSAA (whether performance or IQ-wise) because they are such different implentations.

What you are left with is an IQ review focusing on default rendering -- no aniso, no AA. Then why bother reviewing IQ at all?

Nobody does Anisotropic the same ...

Ryoko · Jun 26, 2002, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by Doomtrooper
Come on you gotta admit that is pathetic, If you apply this type of thinking throughout, then Matrox FAA cannot possibly be compared to NV FSAA (whether performance or IQ-wise) because they are such different implentations.

What you are left with is an IQ review focusing on default rendering -- no aniso, no AA. Then why bother reviewing IQ at all?

Nobody does Anisotropic the same ...

i'm not saying he's not biased, i'm saying his bias is old news.

that and i'm pretty sure he's had enough of the nvidiots complaining when the 8500 beats the 4600 in anisotropic speed.

digitalwanderer · Jun 26, 2002, 05:34 AM

...it's still pretty cheesy. Let him post any comments or disclaimers he likes about the results and his interpretation of 'em, but let the f-ing numbers speak for themselves and bench it against both of the current top manufacturers cards! I usually like Tom, but I don't like how he excludes the 8500 in that test.

Doomtrooper · Jun 26, 2002, 05:54 AM

Well after looking at the review Lars Weinand, the founder of RIVA Station did that review..I have no Idea why?

UberLord · Jun 26, 2002, 09:14 AM

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Here, we won't be including ATI's Radeon 8500, because its anisotropic filtering, which involves various driver tricks, is somewhat controversial and would make a comparison unnecessarily complicated.

Translation

We won't be running the 8500 in this test because its gonna make every other card look like a turtle in comparison to the hare. Also, we like to get free nVidia hardware

Frodo301 · Jun 26, 2002, 11:33 AM

Tom has to get his regular royalties from Nvidia, any mention of ATI and poof they are gone.

~~David~~ · Jun 27, 2002, 11:32 PM

I still dont know what the big deal is .Hasnt it already been proven that its not rip-mapping?
I mean damn Tom needs someone to knock a hammer up-side his head

Yeti · Jun 28, 2002, 01:33 AM

Yes, upgrading toms brain to a ClawHammer would do him good --- LOL

j/k

But you have to realize he's not the one who does this stuff anymore. There is a giant staff of writers on 3 continents reviewing stuff. Tom was the creator... and i'm sure he's filthy rich by now, but you rarely ever get articles these days that were actually written by him... check the author name on the right hand side...

Yeti · Jun 28, 2002, 01:48 AM

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In the end, it seems to work out: The Celeron Willamette 1.7 GHz is currently the fastest budget CPU. At $83, it is even slightly cheaper than AMD's Duron 1300 ($84).

Another mistake at THG... the one i hate most...

do a search on pricewatch for "Celeron 1.7" - 80$
Duron 1300- 56$
Athlon XP 1800- 85$

Does the similarly priced Athlon XP 1800 (palomino core) outperform the 1.7 Celeron? HELL YES!

And you wonder why i can't afford intel?....(gotta fix that hard drive....)

Malus · Jun 28, 2002, 01:55 AM

His site still sucks.

WarGun · Jun 29, 2002, 04:24 PM

Yes if your going to test highend vid cards test them all. And as far as driver tricks (Fixes/Optimizations) aint that what drivers are for? Man some peeps

digitalwanderer · Jun 29, 2002, 05:08 PM

...and I changed my mind and decided that it's ok that they skipped the 8500 in that test since ATI sucks donkey-balls anyways....

Onde Pik · Jul 1, 2002, 08:58 PM

Fuck Tom.

UberLord · Jul 1, 2002, 09:42 PM

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Originally posted by Onde Pik
**** Tom.

Not even with a 9 foot barge pole with a surgical glove on the end?

Jun 26, 2002, 04:43 AM	#2
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Jun 26, 2002, 04:50 AM	Thread Starter #3
Doomtrooper Driverheaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 206 Rep Power: 0	Tom can kiss my __________________ "It's time to kick A$$ and chew bubble gum....and I'm all out of gum." Duke Nukem November 1996

Jun 26, 2002, 05:23 AM	Thread Starter #5
Doomtrooper Driverheaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 206 Rep Power: 0	Come on you gotta admit that is pathetic, If you apply this type of thinking throughout, then Matrox FAA cannot possibly be compared to NV FSAA (whether performance or IQ-wise) because they are such different implentations. What you are left with is an IQ review focusing on default rendering -- no aniso, no AA. Then why bother reviewing IQ at all? Nobody does Anisotropic the same ... __________________ "It's time to kick A$$ and chew bubble gum....and I'm all out of gum." Duke Nukem November 1996

Jun 26, 2002, 05:34 AM	#7
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	It might be old, but.. ...it's still pretty cheesy. Let him post any comments or disclaimers he likes about the results and his interpretation of 'em, but let the f-ing numbers speak for themselves and bench it against both of the current top manufacturers cards! I usually like Tom, but I don't like how he excludes the 8500 in that test. __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jun 26, 2002, 05:54 AM	Thread Starter #8
Doomtrooper Driverheaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Great White North Posts: 206 Rep Power: 0	Well after looking at the review Lars Weinand, the founder of RIVA Station did that review..I have no Idea why? __________________ "It's time to kick A$$ and chew bubble gum....and I'm all out of gum." Duke Nukem November 1996

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~~David~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 959 Rep Power: 0	I still dont know what the big deal is .Hasnt it already been proven that its not rip-mapping? I mean damn Tom needs someone to knock a hammer up-side his head

Jun 28, 2002, 01:33 AM	#12
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Yes, upgrading toms brain to a ClawHammer would do him good --- LOL j/k But you have to realize he's not the one who does this stuff anymore. There is a giant staff of writers on 3 continents reviewing stuff. Tom was the creator... and i'm sure he's filthy rich by now, but you rarely ever get articles these days that were actually written by him... check the author name on the right hand side... __________________ --Oh lord not again

Jun 28, 2002, 01:55 AM	#14
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Jun 29, 2002, 04:24 PM	#15
WarGun DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 0	Yes if your going to test highend vid cards test them all. And as far as driver tricks (Fixes/Optimizations) aint that what drivers are for? Man some peeps

Jun 29, 2002, 05:08 PM	#16
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Ooops, forgot that ByteMe is here now.... ...and I changed my mind and decided that it's ok that they skipped the 8500 in that test since ATI sucks donkey-balls anyways.... __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 1, 2002, 08:58 PM	#17
Onde Pik Rage3D Boy Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 146 Rep Power: 0	Fuck Tom.