Judas

That's the thing. it's a silly debate without a controlled solution to make an intelligent scientific hypothisis or what ever you wish to call it.

Theres simply no way we can determine anything for a fact of one way or another..

all the millions of factors cannot be computed to accurately give us any indication of what is going on, we don't know and can't comprehend it..... The blanket statement that global warming is occuring as they say it is, is a farce... we can know that for a fact because it's money driven. Another way for big wigs to waltz around and produce value/wealth out of a neccessity for life...

I'm all for recycling and proper energy management and efficiency.... reason i'm pissed off we are still using vehicles with fuel/gas when there are WORKING proven solutions that are now 13 years old but were crushed by big oil... this isn't a conspiracy.. this is PURE FACT....

BUT i also know, and considering the very enviroment i've grown up, know how much of a load of shit it is. Their suggestion that cap and trade is a brilliant way to save the enviroment is like saying in the same breath of "We have a serious problem, we need to reduce our emissions and increase efficiency.... lets do this by playing monopoly and not actually putting the money that is made and stolen from the people towards anything that will reduce emssisions and increase efficiency.... we'll just pocket it....$$$CHUCHING$$$"

no one seems to be understand that?

They want to curb emmissions not entirely for corporations.. no no, they want to make it easy to buy and sell their "waver".... they even completely make some huge corporations able to walk around the issue.... lets take General Electric.... one of the heaviest promoters of cap-n-trade.. and yet they don't have to abide by the rules at all. If this isn't a clear indication that the proposed system and suggestion they are trying to push isn't more along the lines of a farce.. i don't know what is.

Either way.... so we know that the big corporations get to play with the PEOPLES cash like it was their own monopoly game and we are the pawns... Meanwhile the PEOPLE can't do jack shit, they are intending to force small businesses and the people to pay a tax on essentially excisting at all... It's bad enough that people have to pay for life necessities such as food and water even shelter in the way most people do (Did you know that the number of home owners have dropped significantly, to the point of nearing the percentage that are the wealthiest in the world?, yeah that's right, most people don't actually own their home even if they think they do, if there is a lean or mortgage or whatever on it... it's techically not yours even if your name is on the title... it can be ripped away at any time... this is a FACT..)

The real clincher is the unstoppable result of consolidation.... with a lot of this shit happening.... huge business could potentially merge just to curb the cost and trade resulting in lets say GE buying up it's competition....

Another factor is that in the case of lets say FARMERS, they get royally fucked even when they are the biggest contributor to producing oxygen and bring co2 levels down in the proposed setup. Only the larger corporate farms have a standing chance.. to the point of allowing them to buy up the smaller privately owned farms on the penny.

It's a royal fucking joke.

Meanwhile they've produced so much controversy and confusion over the main issue of if global warming excists or not, that people are to busy argueing about it rather then seeing what they are suggesting for a "solution"

Always follow the money trails... screw the issue first initially and figure out what their solution is.... and quite often you'll find that their solution is not for the well being of the suggested issue..... it's for the self interest of the businesses that can figure out any which way to make a dollar or capital gain, obtain assets.

Personally every country should serious dismantel these huge businesses... deny mergers in this way.. and get them back down to a more manageable and less consolidated state... throw away the cap-n-trade they are forcing through as a law... and everyone should sit down and sit up and work correctly on this one... also they should force the patent office to allow the production of patented high efficiency devices/cars/etc without losing their life.

I do not completely deny Climate change..... we don't have static weather.. that's insanity... but to suggest that climate change is bad.... is also just as retarded. What they suggest as the reasons is quite laughable. Take into consideration of all the infathomable factors and ask some of the people even the scientists if certain things are occuring..... and they can't beyond the scope of their small little picture.

Nothing stops them cold faster then trying to get an answer as to why the other planets are warming at relatively the same or faster rates...... You just can't get an answer out of them... about 2 years ago i came across this video that was posted where some of the top scientists were asked this question and then presented nasa and other public/private evidence showing this was occuring.. and they either refused to accept it.. take the papers.. or commment... others were somewhat confused for some reason. At least one of them state almost emediately that "if that is the case, our understanding of our own climate and how temperature changes occur is seriously flawed if we are to beleive that our entire planets wide range of plant life and species would have any clear impact on global warming or climate change"

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