Senor_Mota

Exactly. The brutal cycle continues...

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comp_ali

some of the cables related to the middle east are interesting , not that I had any faith in the government anyway.

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Liqourice

I agree with some critics that are asking why doesn't Assange release all documents he's in posession of. It speaks of some kind of hidden agenda. Though, I completely agree that documents of this kind needs to be revealed to the public. Politicians and leaders all over the world say one thing and do another, they plain lie to the public about what they're doing and that's wrong. Whoever publicly disagrees with this is probably on the leaders payroll.

Not that there's a real suprise that the world leaders are lying to us, at least those of us who think at least a bit critically are aware of this, the problem is that they try their best to keep us completely in the dark, Big Brother style, and that really has no place in a true democracy. We vote for them to be our representatives in our governments but when they get there they are following other agendas. THIS is what wikileaks are showing us and this is good.

No wonder the site is being censored, no wonder people in high positions are screaming to throw everyone behind the site in jail or worse. They do it because they're caught with their pants down.

temeteus82

So the terrorist knows the important facilities where to strike if they want to hurt the US? What if your work place would be on the list and it would be attacked ??
And again you are saying that it's ok to broke laws so people would know what industrial sites would be good targets for terrorists?? No wonder that the Swiss bank froze some back accounts yesterday

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OmegaRED

The Pentagon had their chance to vet all documents before they were ever released to protect valuable intelligence and lives at risk.

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temeteus82

Well since they all are in digital form they might have thought that they are safe. Since limited number of people has access to them. And the source of the leak in this case is found.... Would you like that The Pentagon simply just would drop filing any rapports what they do.

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Liqourice

It's not that type of documents so this is just a bogus argument.

Judas

actually assange explained the reasoning..


One of which is every time before the release of this documentation is done.... he submits what he can after careful review to those that may or may not be effected by the release of information with that suggestion that THEY release this same information before he does... give them in some cases even several months to comply at which point, he has claimed that under almost every leak he's made public.... not a single one of the government have ever come forward to either make public themselves or to even show that they had received his notices..

Another factor is look at the size of the wikileaks crew..... it's tiny... and for all matters, it takes a shit ton of reading to get through that kind of material.... before the most recent leak was done, it took them months to sort through, one article suggested that they had received this information almost 2 years ago or at least some of it.... around the same time that there were other leaks.... and they were able to review the one video before the documentation.

So while there is potential for other agendas...... and i won't deny there may be.... the fundlemental fact is that the documenation is legitimate for the most part... it's not all of it.... and it certainly isn't the last.

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Judas

your both naive and fear mongering.


Any intelligent "terrorist" knows what to attack and what not to attack.

It's stupid to not know.... that's irrelavent.

And actually under several laws, the information release is neither legal or ilegal depending on the understand of the laws and how they can be interpreted.

Constitutionaly, though, no law has been broken.

And frankly any public member of any of these countries.... should not be pissed off at the source of the transparency... should be pissed off with the corrupt and lieing government.

I'm amazed how people side with thier government as their own government continues to tighten the noose around their necks.. frankly doesn't make sense.

Freedom and liberty comes with a bit of danger, security is nothing more then a false sense of safety..... special security today, it's ripe with abuse and oppresion not to mention corruption at the highest of levels, and it present gaping security holes that make it even EASIER for "terrorists" or enemies more accurately to do the damage they might wish to do.

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Liqourice

I heard the swedish minister of justice speak today about how nothing was out of the ordinary, that it was only normal, natural and yada yada yada... yet more lies.

I don't trust a single word that woman says about all this.

Senor_Mota

Exactly. They denied help to someone who means to preserve the rights of the innocent, as well as those involved. With these recent rape charges as well, anyone in their right mind can see this is a FUCKING setup! I can't believe we've fallen so far...

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Senor_Mota

OB, I don't want proof to the contrary of your belief or mine. But sometimes, what's against what we believe IS the truth; irrevocably, undeniably, the events that have proceeded is the embodiment of TRUTH.

What Julian Assange has brought to the table is ultimate TRANSPARENCY, without the help of the governments HE sought out to discern between the extremely sensitive names and operations that may implicate national security, nay, even world trade and negotiations as a whole. He hasn't torn at the fiber of communication, nor expelled any violent or undesirable behavior whilst providing said information, other than what he has been falsely accused of.

In my opinion, he is merely being suppressed for the banal minutiae of bureaucracy and order's putrid tumors, dropping off the rotting corpse of Imperialism, Democracy and religious control. Therefore, this release of information means SO MUCH more than a broken code, or an embarrassing comment about a political figure, or who's a "secret agent man".

I see a path carving itself before me. It leads me to a place, a time, an instance, if you will, of freedom, preservation, health, knowledge, vigor, brotherhood and PROGRESS.

All this from a group, one whole, all working together to expose how the world REALLY WORKS.

Fuck procedure. Fuck control. Fuck dirty vision.

Give me liberty, or give me death.

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Dude111

I really dont know what to think about Wikileaks!!

WHY WOULD THEY PRINT ARTICLES FROM IT IN A MAINSTREAM NEWSPAPER??

I think its a secret front by the GOVT to release info to the public W/O COMING OUT AND ADMITTING THINGS!

Sure looks that way!

Senor_Mota

Truly, my opinion of the situation has changed, but only ever so slightly. On one hand, I could it see it being a CIA/SpecOps front, using the method of internet vigilantism as the medium for misdirection in the masses. But, on the other hand, the more I've read about Assange, Birgitta Jonsdottir, Daniel Domschiet-Berg and the rest of the "players" in this scenario, the less it seems like deceit, and the more it seems like some humble people trying to make a difference (everyone but Berg and Assange), mixed with some intelligent, yet egotistical individuals trying to make a difference in this fucked up, malignant world we live in (Berg and Assange).

Amnesty International doesn't just throw Human Rights awards to anyone; and Assange has won one, in 2009, for his journalistic work in Kenya. He can't be completely illegitimate to have done so. Therefore, even if Wikileaks' methods are considered "dangerous", "shocking", or "embarrassing", you can't help but admit that the worldwide view is turned on them, regardless of political bias or level of understanding. They are changing the perspective that a great majority of the world has - a naive, warped, and senseless view of the world from hence only the epithets of localization of government and psychological coercion can be to blame - into a mindset of opinionated communication, with a dash of reinforcing the greater understanding of all of humanity's intrinsic and external motivations to survive.

Damned if you don't, and damned if you do, I say; but in 20-30 years, if the current situation is viewed more positively, maybe humanity will finally begin to have a view of the world as not being so big, so scary, so temporary. Perhaps we will progress forward as a species together, creating greater, more informed, more efficient forms of governmental rule, as well as more profound and logical societal norms.

Cross your fingers.

I leave you with this little snippet of pure, vitriolic TRUTH:

"I'll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. "I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs." "I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking." "Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding out both puppets!" "Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons." - Bill Hicks

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Neshi

doesn't the whole wikileaks and US's reaction to it show that the 'democracy' in the US isn't transparent, which it should be?!

According to their own site, the white house site:
this is something they are actively NOT doing...

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Tyrsonswood

and haven't been for a long time....... This is nothing new.

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Neshi

they should take it off their own site then.
That is false advertising, sue the government!

wikileaks is doing a good thing in my opinion. however, I do understand oldbuzzards point of view. They shouldn't publish leaks that would endanger people, but I thought that is something they are trying to avoid.
Transparency is necessary though, and wikileaks is providing it.

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dawgXdenta

Its not the only site for years there has been many sites, but now coz they have video evidence it cant be shrugged off as conspiracy hollabalooo , thats the argument they used and many people bought it, hopefully now people will start to see the light, but we are still a long waaaay off from the "mind revolution" of mankind, when people realize that our whole system is a facade, and what is a strong established system is actually thin ice that we are skating on.

Lets hope we awaken before the ice totally breaks...... coz its already cracked

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Senor_Mota

I understand people have been doing this kind of thing for a long time, but this is really the first mainstream proof of internet activism, and for a wholly misinformed public, this is the first they're seeing of this type of thing.

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dawgXdenta

Sheesh why do people ALWAYS have to see something terrible before they act.

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Judas

because we are conditioned....... that way...

we are told or brought up to think that it is none of our business to get involved in world events even if it's just a matter of discussion..... mostly just talk about "oh did you hear this" and crack jokes about it.. or get demeaning... jokes fine..... being rude about it well that's personal opinion.... but as far as actually wanting to do something..... generally people just say "not my problem...." ...

While i do think that people should at the very least concentrate on their own issues... be it province/state issues, country or continent.... overall world issues are MAJOR players in each and everyones lives..... to deny that is being naive or utterly stupid.

Now unfortunately, people that "feel" either guilty or wish to help are to lazy to bother trying to do something so they donate to a charity and over 95% of what they donated.... gets consumed by the "non-profit" organization AND the contracts or other companies they are affilirated with resulting in that money NEVER making it to it's intended destination.

Most recently private undercover work has actually tracked some of these charitable donations to their final destination from the hands of a representative and found it being used to pay for prostitution, underage related pedophillia and well other terrible disgusting shit. It's pretty damn sad.

The remainder of the money or most of it, ends up circulating into MAJOR corporations that actually do very little to absalutely nothing, they register it as a profit or simply pocket the donations without claiming it as anything, sliding it into other banks to avoid the books.

And if you show someone that does donations quite often, the raw data of what occurs and happens with this money.... they either get royally upset, be it with their donation or with you. Quite often my experience is with them getting pissed of at the messenger, not the criminals. Pretty sad, this is precisely what wikileaks is in a state of.... being blamed, accused, etc for things they had utterly nothing to do with, even for the criminals that actuallly did the bad things to outright call for assenges assasination, and what really mind blowing, PEOPLE start siding with the very criminals against assenge and wikileaks because of the criminal activities. How distorted and retarded is that crap?

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dawgXdenta

, I've heard peolple say that its disunity that creates all our problems basically seperating things and calling them by different names , type and classes, makes us falesly believe that we are seperate with the world, nature and one another, and this fragmented broken vesion gets in the way of our realization of the Oneness of men and his oneness with nature and the universe, then again.......... who listens to old fools like me

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Senor_Mota

It's all misdirection, whether as a play on groupthink or individually. The best thing any of us can do is NOT sign the dotted line, NOT give the thumbprint scan, NOT stop thinking for ourselves. Please, I urge all of you to at least gather the opinion that I'm a pontificating ass.

"Only when a man can say he has lived how his heart desired, can he say he has experienced true freedom."

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Garrgoyle

Has anyone here actually posted evidence to the wikileaks website? I have.