Kyle Bennet

Davidgt · Jul 22, 2003, 11:33 PM

I have to say , HE IS THE BIGGEST ARROGENT PIG I HAVE EVER SEEN! I read his post in his forum and I have came to the conclusion that he has god complex. In his own little world ( [T]ardOCP) he is god and all his fallowers must never question anything he says or face being banned or ip blocked completely. Sad really.........

thoughts? opions?

ps I know my spelling sucks no need to let me know 10 times in this thread.

digitalwanderer · Jul 22, 2003, 11:38 PM

Who?

LukeK · Jul 22, 2003, 11:39 PM

sounds like you are jealous cause he owns a massive site, or have you a reason for posting this?

Davidgt · Jul 22, 2003, 11:47 PM

lol I could care less what he owns, Lets just say I`ve had past incounters with Kyle dealing with a job on the net I used to have( wont go into details there) Lately he is just letting his true colors shine through

example : banning Dave B of Beyond3d.com cause he questioned Kyle benching meathods.
Banning Doomtrooper ( dont know his real name) for same issue
Closing thread that question him in anyway even in the slightest
He should welcome critizium, not shun it away

digitalwanderer · Jul 22, 2003, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LukeK
sounds like you are jealous cause he owns a massive site, or have you a reason for posting this?

No, he's got cause. Kyle is busy tanking what tattered remains of a rep his site had and IS a tool.

Davidgt · Jul 22, 2003, 11:57 PM

Glad we agree Digi

~~Optimummind~~ · Jul 23, 2003, 12:09 AM

Could you post a link to his statements?

Davidgt · Jul 23, 2003, 12:25 AM

here ya go
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6958

Just a few example of what the rest of the industry thinks of him.

digitalwanderer · Jul 23, 2003, 12:31 AM

http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33699763

~~Optimummind~~ · Jul 23, 2003, 02:24 AM

The reviews at HardOCP are good and valid. It does seem that nVIDIA has caught up with ATI in terms of AF. So, what's the problem? As Kyle says, what matters is the in-game experience and both ATI and nVIDIA deliver the same experience. Isn't that what really matters in the end?

People who bitch about their 3DMark03 (and other benchmarking) scores are weird to my logic. So what if you got 300 more points? What does that prove? That you spend more time in front of the computer tweaking Windows settings and videocard settings? And why? Most of the time, you won't see any real in-game experience improve.

Although I don't know why Kyle banned some people but if he did because he does not want "fanatical" and "immature" people to leave his forum, I think that's good reason. If I had my own forum and people were acting immature just because their favored graphics chip manufacturer lost some "benchmarking hurrah," I would not like to have those kind of people around too.

When I began to tinker around with hardware early last year, I too got sucked into this stupid benchmarking phenomena for a short time. I tweaked all kinds of different settings and downloaded beta drivers so I could get 500 more points in a 3D benchmark. What did I notice? Absolutely nothing. The in-game experience was the same. The only real in-game experience that dramatically changed was when I upgraded my hardware from a GF4 Ti-4200 to a 9800 Pro. And not because ATI is better. I bought a $300 videocard that is classifed as a high-performance type while my GF 4 Ti-4200 was classifed as "mainstream" card from its inception.

K.I.L.E.R · Jul 24, 2003, 09:49 AM

Quote:

It does seem that nVIDIA has caught up with ATI in terms of AF.

WHy did I upgrade from an NV20 then?

~~HawK~~ · Jul 24, 2003, 11:37 AM

Nah.. I think [H] should go on, and making many more reviews
I like a good laugh

~~Optimummind~~ · Jul 24, 2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
WHy did I upgrade from an NV20 then?

Are you retarded comparing a NV20 generation card with a R300 generation card? They're completely different types of graphics cards. If you want an apple-to-apple comparision, you gotta compare the GF4 family to the Radeon 8500 family and the GF FX family to the Radeon 9800 Pro. God, what a retard you are.

Zardon · Jul 24, 2003, 01:08 PM

are alot of people still banned guys? I dont really follow Hardocp forums, went into register but its down for registration.

digitalwanderer · Jul 24, 2003, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Zardon
are alot of people still banned guys? I dont really follow Hardocp forums, went into register but its down for registration.

Heck, they banned Dave Baumman last week for making sense!

It seems that Seig Kyle & Bent Justice reviewed nVidia's "almost-trilinear" filtering that it does for UT2k3 on an application detection basis and decided it was just about as good as ATi's trilinear so it was fair to compare it. (He then went on to explain why it wouldn't be fair to compare it to ATi's bilinear...which nVidia's "almost-trilinear" actually is.)

Then the geekworld sort of caved in on top of him pointing out that it was an absolutely insane thing to say and the piece was nothing but blatant nVidia PR/justification. He's been banning people ever since.

Funny thing, Dave Baumman at B3D renamed an anisotropic filtering tool to "ut2003.exe" and it totally changed the way that anisotropic filtering worked on it...and not for the better.

Seig Kyle=Asshat, Bent Justice=Sell-out.

DallasStar · Jul 24, 2003, 11:46 PM

I rarely visit the site, so I cannot say, but do any of you think that maybe he has a psychological disorder? I mean... it just doesn't make any sense

...

digitalwanderer · Jul 25, 2003, 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DallasStar
I rarely visit the site, so I cannot say, but do any of you think that maybe he has a psychological disorder? I mean... it just doesn't make any sense ...

No, no. He's just a bit of a meglomaniac with some delusions of grandeur, with mebbe a bit of the old "Napoleon" complex thrown in for shits & giggles.

No biggies though.

vtjvt · Jul 25, 2003, 12:13 AM

I was banned twice from his site, both times I did nothing but question his wacked rules and of course refering to him as little hitler probably did not help!!!!!

digitalwanderer · Jul 25, 2003, 12:30 AM

Here is the thread where me and Kyle chatted about me first banning over there. (Kyle=FrgMstr)

More later, I'm hunting some links for a nice surprise for everybody....

Falstaff · Jul 25, 2003, 05:10 AM

lots of people with lots of issues, glad I don't go there anymore..

K.I.L.E.R · Jul 25, 2003, 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
Are you retarded comparing a NV20 generation card with a R300 generation card? They're completely different types of graphics cards. If you want an apple-to-apple comparision, you gotta compare the GF4 family to the Radeon 8500 family and the GF FX family to the Radeon 9800 Pro. God, what a retard you are.

The NV20 AKA the Geforce 3 has OGMS AA and the NV30 has the same MSAA algorithm with the exception of some of QCX AA's bluriness gone. The AF/AA algorithms are exactly the same with some more "optimisations" on the software part on the NV30.

Like I asked, why bother upgrading from my NV20 if the AF IQ is similar to that of the R300?

Surely you don't mean to tell me that the NV30's AF algorithm is different to the entire NV2x generation? AFAIK even biased sites[nV] claim it is nothing new.

Shaders and performance aside, why bother upgrading to something you will gain nothing from under todays games?
FSAA takes the back seat with me.

Please don't dodge my question. If you don't know how to answer it then please go do something valuable.

digitalwanderer · Jul 25, 2003, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
Please don't dodge my question. If you don't know how to answer it then please go do something valuable.

Can I borrow that line? I think I could use it a LOT lately arguing with the [T]ardcore.....

Falstaff · Jul 25, 2003, 02:05 PM

growing in intensity....becoming louder...and louder.......a dull....persistent........whine.....lol

digitalwanderer · Jul 25, 2003, 04:56 PM

I can hear it, better yet I'm actually being interviewed about it...

~~HawK~~ · Jul 25, 2003, 06:14 PM

Not that I like [H] or it's reviews, I find them onesided and not very accurate

but isn't this really about FX/NV tri-liniar filtering?,
a filtering methode used by the earliest 3D-accelerators!!
My question is:
how in the world is company like NV not be able to make tri-liniar work on a decent speed on the FX, so that they have to resolve to tricks on the drivers?

In some way this reminds me of 3DFX not be able/willing to make 32bit colour 3Dchips,
'cause if you run/drive fast enough you wont see the difference, doesn't that ring a bell ?

my 2cnt

digitalwanderer · Jul 25, 2003, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HawK
Not that I like [H] or it's reviews, I find them onesided and not very accurate

but isn't this really about FX/NV tri-liniar filtering?,
a filtering methode used by the earliest 3D-accelerators!!
My question is:
how in the world is company like NV not be able to make tri-liniar work on a decent speed on the FX, so that they have to resolve to tricks on the drivers?

In some way this reminds me of 3DFX not be able/willing to make 32bit colour 3Dchips,
'cause if you run/drive fast enough you wont see the difference, doesn't that ring a bell ?

my 2cnt

It's definately a related issue, but I think the thread starter wanted to let his feelings about Kyle's duplicity in covering it up/FUDing over it to be the center of attention.

Falstaff · Jul 25, 2003, 09:57 PM

I am not involved in the entire process save for reading the threads you posted, and I believe you have a firm grasp of the obvious, I wonder if everyone else does...

~~Optimummind~~ · Jul 26, 2003, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by K.I.L.E.R
The NV20 AKA the Geforce 3 has OGMS AA and the NV30 has the same MSAA algorithm with the exception of some of QCX AA's bluriness gone. The AF/AA algorithms are exactly the same with some more "optimisations" on the software part on the NV30.

Like I asked, why bother upgrading from my NV20 if the AF IQ is similar to that of the R300?

Surely you don't mean to tell me that the NV30's AF algorithm is different to the entire NV2x generation? AFAIK even biased sites[nV] claim it is nothing new.

Shaders and performance aside, why bother upgrading to something you will gain nothing from under todays games?
FSAA takes the back seat with me.

Please don't dodge my question. If you don't know how to answer it then please go do something valuable.

You asked me why you upgraded from a NV20 to a R300 when I made the statement that nVIDIA seems to have caught up with the Radeons in terms of AF quality. I made that statement based on this review from [H]ardOCP at http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAw.

When you read the review, the cards being compared for AF quality are the FX 5900 Ultra and the Radeon 9800 Pro. You'll also note that the authors have come to the conclusion that both cards are pretty much equal in terms of AF. Note, that the 5900 Ultra is NV35 and the Radeon 9800 Pro is the R350.

Where does it say in the article about the NV20?? Of course if you upgrade from a NV20 to a R300, you'll see better AF. The card is DX9-compatible and has newer implementation for AF. Does the article say that the NV20 has a similar level of AF quality to the R300?? No! That's why you're a retard for asking such a stupid question. The NV20 card is different in hardware and implementations to the NV35 and R300/R350. If you asked instead, why did I upgrade from a NV35 to a R300 or a R350, that would have been a better question.

You are a real retard, you know that? And your above response just shows you got some pride and to look better you put that mumjo-jumbo shit that doesn't validate your stupidity at all. Lose your pride and read some books on logic.

K.I.L.E.R · Jul 27, 2003, 11:10 AM

Optimummind, you are still dodging my question. You call me a retard and you don't answer my question. Who did you say is retarded?

An algorithm is the steps taken to achieve a specific task.

I have seen an NV35 and I can gaurantee you that it's AF is EXACTLY the same as the NV20's. Maybe you should try both cards hmm?
NV20's AF algorithm is the EXACT same one that the NV3x line use.

So hardware changes the algorithm does it?

Does a Pentium 4 have increased precision using double floats over Pentium 3 in this situation below?

Let's see:
int main(void)
{
double a=50.214314;
double b=35.4634231;
float c;
c = a/b;
cout << a << endl;
return 0;
}

The answer will be 50.2143. Using this algorithm and compiled on a P4 & P3 CPU the answer will be the same. Again, completely different architectures but using the same algorithm.
You are talking about 1 algorithm used on 2 pieces of hardware, as long as both pieces of hardware have the required hardware capabilites then they will both achieve the EXACT same thing [assuming they are using the one algorithm].

Software optimisations are different from hardware optimisations. From what I read and seen, no hardware changes have been made to the NV3x line that increases the AF IQ over the NV20.

digitalwanderer · Jul 27, 2003, 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Optimummind
You asked me why you upgraded from a NV20 to a R300 when I made the statement that nVIDIA seems to have caught up with the Radeons in terms of AF quality. I made that statement based on this review from [H]ardOCP at http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTAw.

When you read the review, the cards being compared for AF quality are the FX 5900 Ultra and the Radeon 9800 Pro. You'll also note that the authors have come to the conclusion that both cards are pretty much equal in terms of AF. Note, that the 5900 Ultra is NV35 and the Radeon 9800 Pro is the R350.

Where does it say in the article about the NV20?? Of course if you upgrade from a NV20 to a R300, you'll see better AF. The card is DX9-compatible and has newer implementation for AF. Does the article say that the NV20 has a similar level of AF quality to the R300?? No! That's why you're a retard for asking such a stupid question. The NV20 card is different in hardware and implementations to the NV35 and R300/R350. If you asked instead, why did I upgrade from a NV35 to a R300 or a R350, that would have been a better question.

You are a real retard, you know that? And your above response just shows you got some pride and to look better you put that mumjo-jumbo shit that doesn't validate your stupidity at all. Lose your pride and read some books on logic.

PROBLEM: You're trying to use [T]'s article as proof of your argument when everyone here already knows that the PR fluff [T] is putting out is part of the problem. Use an example of a CREDIBLE site please, [T] is little more than a joke.

EDITED BITS: K.I.L.E.R. happens to be a well-respected member here and at a few other sites I belong to. His opinion carries weight with me, and I do NOT see him "being stupid" here at all. (Although I wouldn't want to be around when he gets his electric toothbrush out...

)

Jul 22, 2003, 11:33 PM	#1
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	Kyle Bennet I have to say , HE IS THE BIGGEST ARROGENT PIG I HAVE EVER SEEN! I read his post in his forum and I have came to the conclusion that he has god complex. In his own little world ( [T]ardOCP) he is god and all his fallowers must never question anything he says or face being banned or ip blocked completely. Sad really......... thoughts? opions? ps I know my spelling sucks no need to let me know 10 times in this thread. __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Jul 22, 2003, 11:38 PM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Meh. Who? __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 22, 2003, 11:47 PM	Thread Starter #4
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	lol I could care less what he owns, Lets just say I`ve had past incounters with Kyle dealing with a job on the net I used to have( wont go into details there) Lately he is just letting his true colors shine through example : banning Dave B of Beyond3d.com cause he questioned Kyle benching meathods. Banning Doomtrooper ( dont know his real name) for same issue Closing thread that question him in anyway even in the slightest He should welcome critizium, not shun it away __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Jul 22, 2003, 11:57 PM	Thread Starter #6
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	Glad we agree Digi __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Jul 23, 2003, 12:25 AM	Thread Starter #8
Davidgt Car Audio Guy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Atlanta, Ga Posts: 499 Rep Power: 0	here ya go http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6958 Just a few example of what the rest of the industry thinks of him. __________________ Sales/Support Manager Taraautosound.com wonderful sig by tastyweat

Jul 22, 2003, 11:39 PM	#3
LukeK DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 158 Rep Power: 61	sounds like you are jealous cause he owns a massive site, or have you a reason for posting this?

Jul 23, 2003, 12:09 AM	#7
~~Optimummind~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orange, California Posts: 632 Rep Power: 0	Could you post a link to his statements?

Jul 23, 2003, 12:31 AM	#9
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	http://www.rage3d.com/board/showthre...eadid=33699763 __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 23, 2003, 02:24 AM	#10
~~Optimummind~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Orange, California Posts: 632 Rep Power: 0	The reviews at HardOCP are good and valid. It does seem that nVIDIA has caught up with ATI in terms of AF. So, what's the problem? As Kyle says, what matters is the in-game experience and both ATI and nVIDIA deliver the same experience. Isn't that what really matters in the end? People who bitch about their 3DMark03 (and other benchmarking) scores are weird to my logic. So what if you got 300 more points? What does that prove? That you spend more time in front of the computer tweaking Windows settings and videocard settings? And why? Most of the time, you won't see any real in-game experience improve. Although I don't know why Kyle banned some people but if he did because he does not want "fanatical" and "immature" people to leave his forum, I think that's good reason. If I had my own forum and people were acting immature just because their favored graphics chip manufacturer lost some "benchmarking hurrah," I would not like to have those kind of people around too. When I began to tinker around with hardware early last year, I too got sucked into this stupid benchmarking phenomena for a short time. I tweaked all kinds of different settings and downloaded beta drivers so I could get 500 more points in a 3D benchmark. What did I notice? Absolutely nothing. The in-game experience was the same. The only real in-game experience that dramatically changed was when I upgraded my hardware from a GF4 Ti-4200 to a 9800 Pro. And not because ATI is better. I bought a $300 videocard that is classifed as a high-performance type while my GF 4 Ti-4200 was classifed as "mainstream" card from its inception.

Jul 24, 2003, 11:37 AM	#12
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Nah.. I think [H] should go on, and making many more reviews I like a good laugh

Jul 24, 2003, 01:08 PM	#14
Zardon DriverHeaven Founder Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 32,480 Rep Power: 179	are alot of people still banned guys? I dont really follow Hardocp forums, went into register but its down for registration.

Jul 24, 2003, 11:46 PM	#16
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	I rarely visit the site, so I cannot say, but do any of you think that maybe he has a psychological disorder? I mean... it just doesn't make any sense ... __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Jul 25, 2003, 12:13 AM	#18
vtjvt DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Salt Lake city utah Posts: 20 Rep Power: 0	I was banned twice from his site, both times I did nothing but question his wacked rules and of course refering to him as little hitler probably did not help!!!!! __________________ This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!" -- Adolph Hitler 1935

Jul 25, 2003, 12:30 AM	#19
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	Here is the thread where me and Kyle chatted about me first banning over there. (Kyle=FrgMstr) More later, I'm hunting some links for a nice surprise for everybody.... __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 25, 2003, 05:10 AM	#20
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	I check this out lots of people with lots of issues, glad I don't go there anymore.. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 25, 2003, 02:05 PM	#23
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Can you hear it dig? growing in intensity....becoming louder...and louder.......a dull....persistent........whine.....lol __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 25, 2003, 04:56 PM	#24
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	I can hear it, better yet I'm actually being interviewed about it... __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 25, 2003, 06:14 PM	#25
~~HawK~~ Banned Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 2,092 Rep Power: 0	Not that I like [H] or it's reviews, I find them onesided and not very accurate but isn't this really about FX/NV tri-liniar filtering?, a filtering methode used by the earliest 3D-accelerators!! My question is: how in the world is company like NV not be able to make tri-liniar work on a decent speed on the FX, so that they have to resolve to tricks on the drivers? In some way this reminds me of 3DFX not be able/willing to make 32bit colour 3Dchips, 'cause if you run/drive fast enough you wont see the difference, doesn't that ring a bell ? my 2cnt

Jul 25, 2003, 09:57 PM	#27
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	touche I am not involved in the entire process save for reading the threads you posted, and I believe you have a firm grasp of the obvious, I wonder if everyone else does... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Jul 27, 2003, 11:10 AM	#29
K.I.L.E.R Kronos, Father of Zeus Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 162 Rep Power: 0	Optimummind, you are still dodging my question. You call me a retard and you don't answer my question. Who did you say is retarded? An algorithm is the steps taken to achieve a specific task. I have seen an NV35 and I can gaurantee you that it's AF is EXACTLY the same as the NV20's. Maybe you should try both cards hmm? NV20's AF algorithm is the EXACT same one that the NV3x line use. So hardware changes the algorithm does it? Does a Pentium 4 have increased precision using double floats over Pentium 3 in this situation below? Let's see: int main(void) { double a=50.214314; double b=35.4634231; float c; c = a/b; cout << a << endl; return 0; } The answer will be 50.2143. Using this algorithm and compiled on a P4 & P3 CPU the answer will be the same. Again, completely different architectures but using the same algorithm. You are talking about 1 algorithm used on 2 pieces of hardware, as long as both pieces of hardware have the required hardware capabilites then they will both achieve the EXACT same thing [assuming they are using the one algorithm]. Software optimisations are different from hardware optimisations. From what I read and seen, no hardware changes have been made to the NV3x line that increases the AF IQ over the NV20. __________________ P4 1.8Ghz Intel i845 mobo R300 768mb RAM SBLive Windows XP Home Last edited by K.I.L.E.R; Jul 27, 2003 at 04:28 PM.