A3D Sucks

reno · Jul 10, 2002, 02:59 PM

Turn A3D on in neverwinter nights once. I tried it with my Audigy, and man it sucks.

I know it's not a true Aureal processor, but it works just the same as EAX in halflife, so I know the audigy can at least process it correctly.

Anyway, so I turn it on and all I hear is this constant reverb effect...outside...inside...in a dungeon...in the forest...the same reverb sound. At least it was true 4 channel...

Then I turned it on to EAX 3 (I assume it's EAX Advanced HD...because that's all I can think it would be) and I was once again happy...perfect...I say PERFECT audio in 4 channels on my z560s...perfect...put a pillar between me and campfire...perfect occlusion...perfect localization...perfect reverb...perfect, crystal clear effects and speech...mmm

Anyway, anyone who still uses A3D...you suck, drop 40 bucks on an old SB Live Value and use EAX 2.

digitalwanderer · Jul 10, 2002, 03:28 PM

It's the only thing I can think of to explain your post. Yeah, superior sound quality with less of a performance hit sucks compared to EAX2....

I have a better idea, why not invest $40 in a Fortissimo II that can process both pretty f-ing excellently? If'n you get a well designed card rather than trying to use a cheap software hack on a piece of crap you'd be surprised at the real difference!

(Hey, it's the flamezone right?

)

JavaFox · Jul 10, 2002, 03:47 PM

Um, lest you forget, the board you're using is made by Creative. What makes you think it can do emulation of anything properly?

reno · Jul 10, 2002, 06:40 PM

Halflife A3D effects sound almost exactly the same as EAX effects. Except more localized 4 channel sound.

I'm pretty sure the Audigy supports A3D in it's correct form. AMD doesn't support a broken, crappy version of MMx or SSE now does it?

JavaFox · Jul 10, 2002, 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
I'm pretty sure the Audigy supports A3D in it's correct form. AMD doesn't support a broken, crappy version of MMx or SSE now does it?

Nope, but AMD isn't Creative.

Creative bad.

Ryoko · Jul 11, 2002, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JavaFox
Nope, but AMD isn't Creative.

Creative bad.

exactly what i was going to say.

reno, that's like trying to get an amd processor to run on an intel mobo and saying the amd's crap because it don't work. that was dumb, and much less what i expected from you. you are a good, intelligent man, just try to act like one.

Jul 11, 2002, 03:47 AM

shit I thought this was an 'area3d sucks" thread...

digitalwanderer · Jul 11, 2002, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
exactly what i was going to say.

reno, that's like trying to get an amd processor to run on an intel mobo and saying the amd's crap because it don't work. that was dumb, and much less what i expected from you. you are a good, intelligent man, just try to act like one.

QUIT TRYING TO BE NICE IN THE FLAMEZONE OR I'M GONNA GET ME WET NOODLE OUT AND START DISTRIBUTING SOME LASHES!!!!

Now go and tell him what an ignorant little prick he's being, you are being waaaay too nice!

reno · Jul 11, 2002, 07:09 PM

Ryoko, thanks for the complement but...

You're GAY!

(sorry, just trying to please digitalwanderer :=p)

Anyway, people just bash creative because they try and mix AMD with Creative...bad combo. I remember my old german tech magazines had special sections devoted to "fixing your AMD/Creative solution" drivers, patches, it was pretty funny.

At my current job I get to mess around with Dolby certified Dolby Digital equipment and speakers...the systems I play with everyday aren't 2000 dollar workstations, but 1.2 million dollars worth of dolby digital processors, decoders, readers, and amplifiers...I have somewhat of an idea of what sounds good...Creative sounds good...VERY good...and when I play WMA's I only get CPU usage rates of 2 percent...pretty good to me. Plus I have an optical connection...an AC3 decoder...24bit DAC...gold connectors...sweet black PCB...mmm....

Anyway, I think everyone must hate me here...considering they all advocate AMD/Aureal/Hercules/Crucial/ATI and I'm an Intel/Creative/Visiontek/Kingston/Nvidia guy. hehe

JavaFox · Jul 11, 2002, 07:31 PM

Actually, the reason I dislike Creative is not because I've had any incompatibility/instability issues with them -- I've just had some Creative hardware go out on me (SBLives!, INFRA drives), and because their drivers are atrocious. Their hardware is solid, and I remember being genuinely impressed when I first got my Live!.

As far as companies goes, whoever makes a good product for a good price with good drivers is good by me. I have no preference when it comes to memory or video card.

xCLAVEx · Jul 12, 2002, 02:51 AM

Yeah, I agree completely with the poster of this thread. Creative cards will and always will rock.

Ryoko · Jul 12, 2002, 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Anyway, I think everyone must hate me here...considering they all advocate AMD/Aureal/Hercules/Crucial/ATI and I'm an Intel/Creative/Visiontek/Kingston/Nvidia guy. hehe

i'm more of an amd/creative/asus/kingston/nvidia guy. at least, that's my current config...

Ryoko · Jul 12, 2002, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
QUIT TRYING TO BE NICE IN THE FLAMEZONE OR I'M GONNA GET ME WET NOODLE OUT AND START DISTRIBUTING SOME LASHES!!!!

Now go and tell him what an ignorant little prick he's being, you are being waaaay too nice!

you are being an ignorant little prick.

[SIZE=xx-small]*aimed at dw hehe*[/SIZE]

DallasStar · Jul 12, 2002, 03:55 AM

I understand that you guys hate Creative, but I think its getting old. You guys MUST HEAR EAX3 in action (yes, eax THREE : T-H-R-E-E, NOT 2). Its really amazing. I've never felt more immersed in the sound of a game before. The version of Giants that came with my card was patched for EAX3 and MAN it was fscking AMAZING!!!! I tried listening to A3D in PowerDVD and there were pops and clicks....

(yeah, i know, its the fault of Creative). The A3D, imo has better 3d positioining, but it just doesn't properly "immerse" the listener into the sound. Also, I found that it has weak bass. I've listened to EAX 2.... it was nothing spectacular. I'd say A3D is far superior to EAX2, but it can't even begin to compare to EAX3. Now don't go telling me a bunch of bs about how EAX3 sucks, because I know that more than half of you are with your jolly little santa cruzes and fortissimos and gametheatres and none of them have eax3.

Malus · Jul 12, 2002, 04:00 AM

I don't have EAX 3 because I'd rather have my QSound.

DallasStar · Jul 12, 2002, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
I don't have EAX 3 because I'd rather have my QSound.

lucky bastard, so would I

jimmt · Jul 12, 2002, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
It's the only thing I can think of to explain your post. Yeah, superior sound quality with less of a performance hit sucks compared to EAX2....

I have a better idea, why not invest $40 in a Fortissimo II that can process both pretty f-ing excellently? If'n you get a well designed card rather than trying to use a cheap software hack on a piece of crap you'd be surprised at the real difference!

(Hey, it's the flamezone right? )

Better yet, invest $15 and get a Freak'n Hurcules Muse DvD 5.1 (same as Muse XL Gamer, but with 5.1). It does EAX 1, 2, and A3D perfectly.

Jim

reno · Jul 14, 2002, 01:27 PM

Does anyone remember this...Aureal (creators of A3D and never done A3D2) sold out to Creative. Creative holds all their copyrights and patents...Creative put A3D support in their Audigy for compatability reasons...Aureal sucks...Creative rocks...I've never had a piece of Creative material die.

Shit, even after shocking my AWE64 and my brother ripping it out of it's ISA slot while it the PC was on (fricking younger brother) that 7-8 year old piece of history has never missed a beat...My SB16 still functions in it's 486sx home...and my current Audigy has NEVER had a hiccup. Javafox...you have the worst luck in the world.

digitalwanderer · Jul 14, 2002, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
you are being an ignorant little prick.

[SIZE=xx-small]*aimed at dw hehe*[/SIZE]

I should have seen that one coming.

Malus · Jul 14, 2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Halflife A3D effects sound almost exactly the same as EAX effects. Except more localized 4 channel sound.

They sound the same because they both sound like fucking shit on your card.

DallasStar · Jul 14, 2002, 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
They sound the same because they both sound like ****ing shit on your card.

have you even tried his card? its a lot better than you think

Jul 10, 2002, 02:59 PM	#1
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	A3D Sucks Turn A3D on in neverwinter nights once. I tried it with my Audigy, and man it sucks. I know it's not a true Aureal processor, but it works just the same as EAX in halflife, so I know the audigy can at least process it correctly. Anyway, so I turn it on and all I hear is this constant reverb effect...outside...inside...in a dungeon...in the forest...the same reverb sound. At least it was true 4 channel... Then I turned it on to EAX 3 (I assume it's EAX Advanced HD...because that's all I can think it would be) and I was once again happy...perfect...I say PERFECT audio in 4 channels on my z560s...perfect...put a pillar between me and campfire...perfect occlusion...perfect localization...perfect reverb...perfect, crystal clear effects and speech...mmm Anyway, anyone who still uses A3D...you suck, drop 40 bucks on an old SB Live Value and use EAX 2.

Jul 10, 2002, 03:28 PM	#2
digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,619 Rep Power: 0	My friend, you must be very high right now. It's the only thing I can think of to explain your post. Yeah, superior sound quality with less of a performance hit sucks compared to EAX2.... I have a better idea, why not invest $40 in a Fortissimo II that can process both pretty f-ing excellently? If'n you get a well designed card rather than trying to use a cheap software hack on a piece of crap you'd be surprised at the real difference! (Hey, it's the flamezone right? ) __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Jul 10, 2002, 06:40 PM	Thread Starter #4
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	hje Halflife A3D effects sound almost exactly the same as EAX effects. Except more localized 4 channel sound. I'm pretty sure the Audigy supports A3D in it's correct form. AMD doesn't support a broken, crappy version of MMx or SSE now does it?

Jul 11, 2002, 07:09 PM	Thread Starter #9
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	eh hem Ryoko, thanks for the complement but... You're GAY! (sorry, just trying to please digitalwanderer :=p) Anyway, people just bash creative because they try and mix AMD with Creative...bad combo. I remember my old german tech magazines had special sections devoted to "fixing your AMD/Creative solution" drivers, patches, it was pretty funny. At my current job I get to mess around with Dolby certified Dolby Digital equipment and speakers...the systems I play with everyday aren't 2000 dollar workstations, but 1.2 million dollars worth of dolby digital processors, decoders, readers, and amplifiers...I have somewhat of an idea of what sounds good...Creative sounds good...VERY good...and when I play WMA's I only get CPU usage rates of 2 percent...pretty good to me. Plus I have an optical connection...an AC3 decoder...24bit DAC...gold connectors...sweet black PCB...mmm.... Anyway, I think everyone must hate me here...considering they all advocate AMD/Aureal/Hercules/Crucial/ATI and I'm an Intel/Creative/Visiontek/Kingston/Nvidia guy. hehe

Jul 12, 2002, 02:51 AM	#11
xCLAVEx DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: May 2002 Location: Hand of NOD Posts: 11 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, I agree completely with the poster of this thread. Creative cards will and always will rock. __________________ AMD Athlon XP 1900+ WIN XP Pro 256megs PC-2100 DDR RAM 16X/40X DVD-ROM 30.7 gig Maxtor 5400rpm Hard Drive Visiontek Geforce 3 @ 220/500 Logitech Z-340 Speakers and Subwoofer NEC Multisync 15inch monitor Hewlett Packard 7200 series 2X CD-Burner (hey I got it for free) Soundblaster Live! MP3+ Soundcard

Jul 10, 2002, 03:47 PM	#3
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Um, lest you forget, the board you're using is made by Creative. What makes you think it can do emulation of anything properly?

Jul 11, 2002, 03:47 AM	#7
Billy Guest Posts: n/a	shit I thought this was an 'area3d sucks" thread...

Jul 11, 2002, 07:31 PM	#10
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Actually, the reason I dislike Creative is not because I've had any incompatibility/instability issues with them -- I've just had some Creative hardware go out on me (SBLives!, INFRA drives), and because their drivers are atrocious. Their hardware is solid, and I remember being genuinely impressed when I first got my Live!. As far as companies goes, whoever makes a good product for a good price with good drivers is good by me. I have no preference when it comes to memory or video card.

Jul 12, 2002, 03:55 AM	#14
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	I understand that you guys hate Creative, but I think its getting old. You guys MUST HEAR EAX3 in action (yes, eax THREE : T-H-R-E-E, NOT 2). Its really amazing. I've never felt more immersed in the sound of a game before. The version of Giants that came with my card was patched for EAX3 and MAN it was fscking AMAZING!!!! I tried listening to A3D in PowerDVD and there were pops and clicks.... (yeah, i know, its the fault of Creative). The A3D, imo has better 3d positioining, but it just doesn't properly "immerse" the listener into the sound. Also, I found that it has weak bass. I've listened to EAX 2.... it was nothing spectacular. I'd say A3D is far superior to EAX2, but it can't even begin to compare to EAX3. Now don't go telling me a bunch of bs about how EAX3 sucks, because I know that more than half of you are with your jolly little santa cruzes and fortissimos and gametheatres and none of them have eax3. __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Jul 12, 2002, 04:00 AM	#15
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	I don't have EAX 3 because I'd rather have my QSound. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Jul 14, 2002, 01:27 PM	Thread Starter #18
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dasd Does anyone remember this...Aureal (creators of A3D and never done A3D2) sold out to Creative. Creative holds all their copyrights and patents...Creative put A3D support in their Audigy for compatability reasons...Aureal sucks...Creative rocks...I've never had a piece of Creative material die. Shit, even after shocking my AWE64 and my brother ripping it out of it's ISA slot while it the PC was on (fricking younger brother) that 7-8 year old piece of history has never missed a beat...My SB16 still functions in it's 486sx home...and my current Audigy has NEVER had a hiccup. Javafox...you have the worst luck in the world.