INTEL Doesn't Recommend The P4-Xeon!

JavaFox · Jul 14, 2002, 08:39 AM

I was perusing the Pentium 4 FAQ when I stumbled upon this gem:

Quote:

Q: Do Pentium 4 processors support dual processing?
A: No. The Pentium 4 processor does not provide dual-processor support. Users who want multi-processing capabilities should consider the Intel Pentium III Xeonâ„¢ processor.

Not even Intel recommends their own P4-based Xeon! I thought at first that the FAQ was outdated, but if you look around, you'll see that it mentions Northwood-Bs and their 533MHz bus, so it must be up-to-date.

Well, I remarked in another thread that you know your product is bad when your best friend won't even sell it; how BAD is the P4-Xeon that not even Intel will pimp it?

Silentst2000 · Jul 14, 2002, 12:31 PM

an obvious over-sight.

reno · Jul 14, 2002, 01:13 PM

Now even Javafox is being a lamer. I remember seeing that FAQ about a year ago when it said exactly that. Obviously intel didn't bother to update.

Anyway, Xeon's with Hyperthreading seem to be REALLY kicking ass, I can't remember who posted the Xeon vs MP bench link, but I remember in some of the benchmarks intel was almost twice as fast in 3d progs.

Anyway, stupid attempt at a flame.

~~shai~~ · Jul 14, 2002, 07:37 PM

this just old javafox

JavaFox · Jul 15, 2002, 05:51 AM

Anywaaay, you guys obviously did not even read my post. Why are you Intel whore so knee-jerk?

The FAQ has been updated, as it discusses Northwood-Bs (533FSB), which are more recent release than the Xeons.

I like it how you're always like "Yeah, I have proof that Intel is better, but I forget where it is or where I heard it though."

Really?

Check out this Anandtech article, where you see, short of "kicking ass," the 2.4GHZ Xeon barely pulling ahead of the 1.67GHz Athlon MPs in a slew of database benchmarks. The 2.2GHz Xeon and the MP 2100+ are basically equals, with the Athlons occasionally pulling ahead. Hyperthreading was enabled.

Perhaps you missed the Inquirer article that discussed PC manufacters being upset that PIII-Xeon configurations outperformed P4-Xeon rigs?

And isn't hype-rthreading yet another Intel performance gimmick which offers little real world benefit and needs to be specifically programmed for to take advantage of?

Silentst2000 · Jul 15, 2002, 04:23 PM

there is next to no optimizations for hyperthreading which makes it next to useless.

reno · Jul 15, 2002, 07:46 PM

I can't even believe you trust the InqWell, they are almost never right. No matter what they do.

JavaFox, do you REALLY think Intel, the money mongering, processor whore you so hate would REALLY dissuade buyers from it's brand new line of Xeon processors?

Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. = JavaFox

JavaFox · Jul 15, 2002, 08:28 PM

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Originally posted by reno
JavaFox, do you REALLY think Intel, the money mongering, processor whore you so hate would REALLY dissuade buyers from it's brand new line of Xeon processors?

I can only call them as I seem them. And all I see is a) an updated FAQ recommending that customers intersted in SMP look to the PIII-Xeon, b) articles alleging that the PIII-Xeon outperforms the P4-Xeon, and c) no compelling reason to go with a P4-Xeon.

So...?

Silentst2000 · Jul 16, 2002, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by JavaFox
I can only call them as I seem them.

So...?

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Originally posted by Silentst2000
an obvious over-sight.

In fact I'm going to call intel up tomorrow...

DallasStar · Jul 16, 2002, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Silentst2000
In fact I'm going to call intel up tomorrow...

tell us what they say

Silentst2000 · Jul 17, 2002, 09:34 AM

Ok calling them now.

Its long distance (no 800 number) so if there is al ong ass hold i'm not going to wait.

Silentst2000 · Jul 17, 2002, 09:43 AM

I'll try to write what i'm saying and what they respond.

Hey I was considering building a dual pentium 4 processor computer but the P4 FAQ says I need to use pentium 3 xeons? What's going on?

Fuck they sent me to "pre sale"...

Ok trying again with the new number 1800 538 3373

I asked if there was no pentium 4 xeon because of the faq.

They told me I need to use the "Intel xeon which is based on the pentium 4 technology"

They wouldn't explain the FAQ.

waste of time.

Yeti · Jul 17, 2002, 09:46 AM

Eh, i don't see much use in Intel's Xeons. I think that when it comes to raw processing power, IBM RISC machines are much faster and AMDs are much more cost effective. Intel is straddling the fence and losing ground. :/ Just my 2c.

Silentst2000 · Jul 17, 2002, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Yeti
Eh, i don't see much use in Intel's Xeons. I think that when it comes to raw processing power, IBM RISC machines are much faster and AMDs are much more cost effective. Intel is straddling the fence and losing ground. :/ Just my 2c.

I know I called them because of their FAQ i'm not about to buy one.

Yeti · Jul 17, 2002, 09:56 AM

Just my 2c... i really think that if someone wanted to buy an Xeon P4 system that they should, simply because its their decision and not mine. (if they ask me for my opinion, i will give them an earful though)

RIV@NVX · Oct 7, 2002, 02:00 AM

My school has 2 proc Xeon (1.5,1.8 don't know) in class of informathycs, which is a server.
So, it supports dual processors.
But I don't like it - it is Compaq EVO W6000 and has crappy M64 inside...
No such speed or something...

Smoothdrive · Oct 10, 2002, 09:06 AM

Just build a Dual Xeon 700Mhz server at work..it's a W2K/IIS web server with 1,5 Gb RAM (purchasing made a little error

)..not too impressed by the speed so far..but it gives a solid smooth feel..no long waits or hick-ups so far.

for the interested..it's a compaq ML570 server.

Only bug we stumbled accros with the P4 is that the Oracle client has issues when installing on a P4 station..of course intel will say that's an Oracle bug

RIV@NVX · Oct 10, 2002, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Smoothdrive
Just build a Dual Xeon 700Mhz server at work..it's a W2K/IIS web server with 1,5 Gb RAM (purchasing made a little error )..not too impressed by the speed so far..but it gives a solid smooth feel..no long waits or hick-ups so far.

for the interested..it's a compaq ML570 server.

Only bug we stumbled accros with the P4 is that the Oracle client has issues when installing on a P4 station..of course intel will say that's an Oracle bug

Xeon 700 is not P4.

Smoothdrive · Oct 11, 2002, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by RIV@NVX
Xeon 700 is not P4.

DUH !

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 15, 2002, 03:17 AM

Everyone knows that if your going to dual to use athlon you morons.

JavaFox · Oct 15, 2002, 09:38 PM

I really wish you'd be more intelligent about your arguments, Kelsen -- you give all AMD users a bad name.

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
Everyone knows that if your going to dual to use athlon you morons.

Please provide evidence that everyone knows this.

Otherwise, try flaming with a bit more skill, panache and hopefully correct grammer you sorry excuse for a retard

Vampyromaniac · Oct 15, 2002, 10:28 PM

Java and Uber:
Come on guys, this IS the Fame Warzone, after all. (The very place where you should be mindless and un-educated.)
Java, you especially, not only do you expect intelligence, you even write a perfectly-crafted sentence. Shame, shame. At least Uber spelled grammar wrong!

[SIZE=xx-small]assholes

[/SIZE]

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vampyromaniac
Java and Uber:
Come on guys, this IS the Fame Warzone, after all. (The very place where you should be mindless and un-educated.)

Didn't you detect any sarcasm in my flame?

Try watching some Black Adder and get a clue on comedy.

And as you said, it's the Flame Warzone, not the Bloody Minded Opinion Forum. Kelsawhatshisname didn't flame

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 15, 2002, 11:15 PM

I myself prefer Intel , however I figured that I would play devils advocate and show support for athlons.

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 15, 2002, 11:23 PM

No if I was going to flame I would call you a usless un-succesfull abortion that is still sucking on your mothers teat and needs to get a place of your own and stop wasting all of societys money by letting your parents or the government support you (Maybee thats why you like athlons, theyre cheap)...

UberLord · Oct 15, 2002, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
No if I was going to flame I would call you a usless un-succesfull abortion that is still sucking on your mothers teat and needs to get a place of your own and stop wasting all of societys money by letting your parents or the government support you (Maybee thats why you like athlons, theyre cheap)...

Thats better

Now, apply the same thing to the topic at hand. IE processors

Ryoko · Oct 15, 2002, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
No if I was going to flame I would call you a usless un-succesfull abortion that is still sucking on your mothers teat and needs to get a place of your own and stop wasting all of societys money by letting your parents or the government support you (Maybee thats why you like athlons, theyre cheap)...

"F*** you and the horse you rode in on."

Kelsenellenelvian · Oct 15, 2002, 11:36 PM

Ohhh did I hit a soft spot???? But I thought this was THE FLAME warzone...

Ryoko · Oct 15, 2002, 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kelsenellenelvian
Ohhh did I hit a soft spot???? But I thought this was THE FLAME warzone...

i just thought it was a funny flame. so there, eat my shorts!

Jul 14, 2002, 12:31 PM	#2
Silentst2000 Can I be cool? Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 0	an obvious over-sight. __________________ P4@2.4ghz Radeon 9700pro DDR 400 Nuff said

Jul 14, 2002, 01:13 PM	#3
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sdf Now even Javafox is being a lamer. I remember seeing that FAQ about a year ago when it said exactly that. Obviously intel didn't bother to update. Anyway, Xeon's with Hyperthreading seem to be REALLY kicking ass, I can't remember who posted the Xeon vs MP bench link, but I remember in some of the benchmarks intel was almost twice as fast in 3d progs. Anyway, stupid attempt at a flame.

Jul 15, 2002, 04:23 PM	#6
Silentst2000 Can I be cool? Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 0	there is next to no optimizations for hyperthreading which makes it next to useless. __________________ P4@2.4ghz Radeon 9700pro DDR 400 Nuff said

Jul 15, 2002, 07:46 PM	#7
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	cfgh I can't even believe you trust the InqWell, they are almost never right. No matter what they do. JavaFox, do you REALLY think Intel, the money mongering, processor whore you so hate would REALLY dissuade buyers from it's brand new line of Xeon processors? Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. = JavaFox

Jul 17, 2002, 09:34 AM	#11
Silentst2000 Can I be cool? Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 0	Ok calling them now. Its long distance (no 800 number) so if there is al ong ass hold i'm not going to wait. __________________ P4@2.4ghz Radeon 9700pro DDR 400 Nuff said

Jul 14, 2002, 07:37 PM	#4
~~shai~~ Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 613 Rep Power: 0	this just old javafox

Jul 15, 2002, 05:51 AM	Thread Starter #5
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	Anywaaay, you guys obviously did not even read my post. Why are you Intel whore so knee-jerk? The FAQ has been updated, as it discusses Northwood-Bs (533FSB), which are more recent release than the Xeons. I like it how you're always like "Yeah, I have proof that Intel is better, but I forget where it is or where I heard it though." Really? Check out this Anandtech article, where you see, short of "kicking ass," the 2.4GHZ Xeon barely pulling ahead of the 1.67GHz Athlon MPs in a slew of database benchmarks. The 2.2GHz Xeon and the MP 2100+ are basically equals, with the Athlons occasionally pulling ahead. Hyperthreading was enabled. Perhaps you missed the Inquirer article that discussed PC manufacters being upset that PIII-Xeon configurations outperformed P4-Xeon rigs? And isn't hype-rthreading yet another Intel performance gimmick which offers little real world benefit and needs to be specifically programmed for to take advantage of?

Jul 17, 2002, 09:43 AM	#12
Silentst2000 Can I be cool? Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 355 Rep Power: 0	I'll try to write what i'm saying and what they respond. Hey I was considering building a dual pentium 4 processor computer but the P4 FAQ says I need to use pentium 3 xeons? What's going on? Fuck they sent me to "pre sale"... Ok trying again with the new number 1800 538 3373 I asked if there was no pentium 4 xeon because of the faq. They told me I need to use the "Intel xeon which is based on the pentium 4 technology" They wouldn't explain the FAQ. waste of time. __________________ P4@2.4ghz Radeon 9700pro DDR 400 Nuff said

Jul 17, 2002, 09:46 AM	#13
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Eh, i don't see much use in Intel's Xeons. I think that when it comes to raw processing power, IBM RISC machines are much faster and AMDs are much more cost effective. Intel is straddling the fence and losing ground. :/ Just my 2c. __________________ --Oh lord not again

Jul 17, 2002, 09:56 AM	#15
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	Just my 2c... i really think that if someone wanted to buy an Xeon P4 system that they should, simply because its their decision and not mine. (if they ask me for my opinion, i will give them an earful though) __________________ --Oh lord not again

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RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	My school has 2 proc Xeon (1.5,1.8 don't know) in class of informathycs, which is a server. So, it supports dual processors. But I don't like it - it is Compaq EVO W6000 and has crappy M64 inside... No such speed or something... __________________ -- Vedran

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Oct 15, 2002, 09:38 PM	Thread Starter #21
JavaFox E Pluribus Unum Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 3,203 Rep Power: 0	I really wish you'd be more intelligent about your arguments, Kelsen -- you give all AMD users a bad name.

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Kelsenellenelvian Master of my own Destiny Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: EverDawn Kingdom,TruEarth Posts: 1,394 Rep Power: 0	No if I was going to flame I would call you a usless un-succesfull abortion that is still sucking on your mothers teat and needs to get a place of your own and stop wasting all of societys money by letting your parents or the government support you (Maybee thats why you like athlons, theyre cheap)... __________________ [color=#0000ff] Download Windows Post-Install Wizard v4.3.8 and WPI Lite v1.2 Here [/color][color=red][color=blue][/color][/color]

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