Do the Police actually want to stop crime????

TiredGeek · Aug 10, 2002, 04:25 AM

From what I know of the wonderful, hard working Police force in the UK (and I work as a subcontractor for them, so I see them every day) it would appear they have a vested interest in maintaining a healthy rise in the crime rate.

My reason for saying this?
More crime = more police
More police = more senior officers to control them
More senior officers = better promotion prospects for the lower pigs
More money spent on police forces = more tax to pay
More tax = more crime to pay tax to pay for police
More crime = more police.........

And, without exception, the police I meet are bent. I have, on many occaisions been offered gear by police officers, in the station car park(!), that I know is stolen (why else would there be 20 brand new leather jackets in the back of a police patrol car?). I have also seen a police officer unloading, at home, his panda car that was dragging it's exhaust because of the ammount of chocolate that was in it. Strange, I heard the local warehouse had been broken into the previous night.........

I don't pretend to know the answer to this problem but it is clearly a farce when criminals are meant to catch criminals, when really it's best for them not to, and we all have to pay through the nose for incompetant pigs.

I'm a bit grumpy 'cos I have just received my council tax bill to find that the charges for the underworked, lazy, incompetant, bent and stupid Police has just risen by 27%. God, what a bargain.

~~ByteMe~~ · Aug 10, 2002, 02:34 PM

Yup, the wonders of a large government. Makes me wonder how STUPID you got to be to be over 60% liberal.

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 10, 2002, 02:40 PM

yeah but you gotta think about o think the the amount of good cops outway the bad. I just wish that were more "precuationss" to stop the bad ones. And the thing that really pisses me of about the cops in the US is that they drive the cop cars off duty and waste tax payers money one there free gas.

kinetic · Aug 10, 2002, 09:44 PM

I think most of the corruption is in C.I.D. An ex 'tec I know said they used to pay petty criminals to admit to loads of unsolved crimes just to make their clean up rate look good.

Malus · Aug 11, 2002, 01:31 PM

And the anti-gun freaks cite the UK as a good example of a place where having no guns and more police makes for a better place.

Yeti · Aug 12, 2002, 02:55 PM

"The Police" I don't know... they sorta broke up... although i think Sting is a pacifist :P

~~Sourcer_2002~~ · Aug 12, 2002, 03:33 PM

lol

Ryoko · Aug 13, 2002, 08:54 AM

god i wish i was a cop.

SPANKtheMONKEY · Aug 14, 2002, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ryoko
god i wish i was a cop.

Is it the leather or the handcuffs that tempt u?

RIV@NVX · Oct 7, 2002, 03:26 PM

Police is paid not to catch some criminals (drug dealers pay to them a part of money they make). It is always so, how could anyone expect anything else?
Money runs the world. Money is only world value.
People are in love with money, gold and jewels.

It is always so. It is not changing. It will not change.

reno · Oct 8, 2002, 03:28 AM

Thank you mister jaded teenager man.

Anyway, on to something more intelligent, the idea of "the police" is great...in theory. It's the execution that is lacking, cops are issued illegal "quotas" of busts (ie: speeding tickets) and if they don't meet them their performance reviews reflect a lazy attitude.

If only cops and the government were run like a small, home-town business. Fair wages for fair work. Quotas only encourage lazy cops and obliviousness to real crime.

I do believe police in general TRY to be moral, it just doesn't pan out quite right.

e-Seeker · Oct 8, 2002, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Malus
And the anti-gun freaks cite the UK as a good example of a place where having no guns and more police makes for a better place.

Don't you think this mostly depends on the mental/moral state of a country/nation? oK, more of a 'country thing'... The more people, the more crime (in general), same goes for a lot of people on a small territory, or few people in a f-up state. It's hard to find ideal proportions...
Bad cops are just a reflection of surrounding people, basically there's not much you can do...
...also, being a cop just sort of qualifies you as LAZY or careless.. [congrats to exceptions]...

Highwood · Oct 9, 2002, 02:05 AM

During the 9 years I worked as a corrections officer I observed, and heard, several things that have changed the way I view police officers. I know that most officers are for the most part hard working honest people, but it is the minority of officers, far too large a minority I might add, that have caused me to view all officers with fear, and mistrust.

I have personal knowledge of more than one case where people were knowingly arrested for crimes that they did not commit. Why would the police do this you might ask? In some cases it was silence public outcry for a resolution to a high profile case, in other cases career advancement seemed to be the motivation.

I had several drug dealers comment that at the time of there they had larger quantities of drugs than were cataloged in the evidence files for there cases. Almost every inmate charged with possession of stolen property will tell you, after he has been sentenced of course, that the most desirable pieces of his lute were not entered into evidence either. I am quite sure that some of these individuals were not telling the truth to me, but am quite sure most were being honest.

I know that after being exposed to the system for as long as I was that, even if I have nothing to hide I would not answer an officer’s question without a lawyer present or voluntarily allow the police to search me or my possessions.

Aug 10, 2002, 04:25 AM	#1
TiredGeek DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Yorkshire, UK Posts: 36 Rep Power: 0	Do the Police actually want to stop crime???? From what I know of the wonderful, hard working Police force in the UK (and I work as a subcontractor for them, so I see them every day) it would appear they have a vested interest in maintaining a healthy rise in the crime rate. My reason for saying this? More crime = more police More police = more senior officers to control them More senior officers = better promotion prospects for the lower pigs More money spent on police forces = more tax to pay More tax = more crime to pay tax to pay for police More crime = more police......... And, without exception, the police I meet are bent. I have, on many occaisions been offered gear by police officers, in the station car park(!), that I know is stolen (why else would there be 20 brand new leather jackets in the back of a police patrol car?). I have also seen a police officer unloading, at home, his panda car that was dragging it's exhaust because of the ammount of chocolate that was in it. Strange, I heard the local warehouse had been broken into the previous night......... I don't pretend to know the answer to this problem but it is clearly a farce when criminals are meant to catch criminals, when really it's best for them not to, and we all have to pay through the nose for incompetant pigs. I'm a bit grumpy 'cos I have just received my council tax bill to find that the charges for the underworked, lazy, incompetant, bent and stupid Police has just risen by 27%. God, what a bargain. __________________ Never trust a man whom, when left alone in a room with a tea cosy, doesn't try it on.

Aug 11, 2002, 01:31 PM	#5
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Aug 12, 2002, 02:55 PM	#6
Yeti DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 662 Rep Power: 0	"The Police" I don't know... they sorta broke up... although i think Sting is a pacifist :P __________________ --Oh lord not again

Oct 7, 2002, 03:26 PM	#10
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Police is paid not to catch some criminals (drug dealers pay to them a part of money they make). It is always so, how could anyone expect anything else? Money runs the world. Money is only world value. People are in love with money, gold and jewels. It is always so. It is not changing. It will not change. __________________ -- Vedran

Oct 8, 2002, 03:28 AM	#11
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	adfgesg Thank you mister jaded teenager man. Anyway, on to something more intelligent, the idea of "the police" is great...in theory. It's the execution that is lacking, cops are issued illegal "quotas" of busts (ie: speeding tickets) and if they don't meet them their performance reviews reflect a lazy attitude. If only cops and the government were run like a small, home-town business. Fair wages for fair work. Quotas only encourage lazy cops and obliviousness to real crime. I do believe police in general TRY to be moral, it just doesn't pan out quite right.

Aug 10, 2002, 02:34 PM	#2
~~ByteMe~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 761 Rep Power: 0	Yup, the wonders of a large government. Makes me wonder how STUPID you got to be to be over 60% liberal.

Aug 10, 2002, 02:40 PM	#3
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	yeah but you gotta think about o think the the amount of good cops outway the bad. I just wish that were more "precuationss" to stop the bad ones. And the thing that really pisses me of about the cops in the US is that they drive the cop cars off duty and waste tax payers money one there free gas.

Aug 10, 2002, 09:44 PM	#4
kinetic DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester England Posts: 2,559 Rep Power: 0	I think most of the corruption is in C.I.D. An ex 'tec I know said they used to pay petty criminals to admit to loads of unsolved crimes just to make their clean up rate look good.

Aug 12, 2002, 03:33 PM	#7
~~Sourcer_2002~~ BANNED Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Indiana , USA Posts: 2,677 Rep Power: 0	lol

Aug 13, 2002, 08:54 AM	#8
Ryoko American Soldier Join Date: May 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA Posts: 1,725 Rep Power: 0	god i wish i was a cop.

Oct 9, 2002, 02:05 AM	#13
Highwood Comfortably Numb Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Calgary Alberta Canada Posts: 504 Rep Power: 0	During the 9 years I worked as a corrections officer I observed, and heard, several things that have changed the way I view police officers. I know that most officers are for the most part hard working honest people, but it is the minority of officers, far too large a minority I might add, that have caused me to view all officers with fear, and mistrust. I have personal knowledge of more than one case where people were knowingly arrested for crimes that they did not commit. Why would the police do this you might ask? In some cases it was silence public outcry for a resolution to a high profile case, in other cases career advancement seemed to be the motivation. I had several drug dealers comment that at the time of there they had larger quantities of drugs than were cataloged in the evidence files for there cases. Almost every inmate charged with possession of stolen property will tell you, after he has been sentenced of course, that the most desirable pieces of his lute were not entered into evidence either. I am quite sure that some of these individuals were not telling the truth to me, but am quite sure most were being honest. I know that after being exposed to the system for as long as I was that, even if I have nothing to hide I would not answer an officer’s question without a lawyer present or voluntarily allow the police to search me or my possessions.