CART or F1 ??

UberLord · Sep 24, 2002, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by fornicatarachnid
mmmm, i remember somebody comparing it to football, who was that ?

Ah, but we were talking about money then - keep up

Kelsenellenelvian · Sep 24, 2002, 12:32 PM

Its not really racing unless the driver relies more on skill than the dang car...

Smoothdrive · Sep 24, 2002, 01:19 PM

In that case a 1 on 1 golf kart race is ultimate racing..

alewisa · Sep 24, 2002, 05:13 PM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
True, having enough money will get you the best designers and best mechanics so your car should be better than a less funded team like Minardi..than again Renault, Toyota and Jaguar should be better since they also have big budgets.. We have seen other teams that were superiour for a few years in the past..

Slightly missing the point. The problem with F1 is not the teams with money, it's the actual race. It's not exciting anymore. Too many restrictions, and no one "scraps" anymore. When was last time you saw two drivers battling neck and neck for any position between 1st and 5th; overtaking, knocking each other, really all-out-"I-want-to-win"-aggression.

it just doesn't happen anymore. And when shown on TV, all we get to see are the first five cars "idly" driving round the lap.

My opinion, of course.

fornicatarachnid · Sep 24, 2002, 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by alewisa
and no one "scraps" anymore. When was last time you saw two drivers battling neck and neck for any position between 1st and 5th

I will [SIZE=large]never[/SIZE] forget Mansell and Senna at Monaco in a 5 or so lap scrap to the chequered flag, now that was fucking exciting, thats how it should be all the time

racermike · Oct 11, 2002, 06:52 AM

This is my first post on HW Forum, and to the least did I expect for my first post to be about my love for Motorsports.

I have been in Flagging & Communications for SCCA since 1991. Since then I have worked 42 races for the CART FedEx Championship Series. Have worked races as well for F1, ALMS/IMSA, Nascar WC, SCCA, Trans-AM, etc etc.

I love open wheel racing, and F1 is, and will always be the pinnacle of Motorsports around the world. The downside is F1 has become more boring as of late, as the front of the grid is heads and shoulders over the back of the grid. The racing can still be very good at times, but other times atrocious. I really dont like Ferrari dictating who wins races like in Austria early this season.

CART is having its own problems, but to this day is maybe the most competitive, and exciting form of major open wheel racing to watch. I have had the chance to see these cars race on 14 different tracks, and always get goose bumps on friday mornings when the cars take to the track for their first practice session. In CART, you can be the polesitter one week, and the next week not find your setup, in head of the rear of the pack. Also the diversity of the courses means you really have to be on top of your game to have a chance at the Championship. Christiano Da Matta racing for Newman-Haas, just wrapped this up in Miami last weekend, having a STELLAR season, and made everyone else look like rookies.

I love F1 for the technology, glamour, and history, but Champcar racing is much better, if you expect to see more than 3-4 drivers having a chance at winning.

To further put things in perspective, my favorite series, among all of them, is the SCCA Trans-Am Series, which if you have the chance to see, SEE IT! It is a great series with some really cool cars.

racermike · Oct 11, 2002, 06:59 AM

BTW --

Good site I am on for, and done by CART fans (3000 members strong)

SeventhGear.com (I am racermike on there as well)

Smoothdrive · Oct 11, 2002, 08:15 AM

Welcome Mike !!

Good piece you added
..about Ferrari..big question is weither F1 is a team sport or not, i say yes it is..in Austria Ferrari made sure the Shumacher would be World Champion, in Indy Shummi returned the favour and made sure Barrichello would be 2nd in the championship..don't see anything wrong there..

Much better than Williams..taking each other out race after race because there own drivers are too competitive against each other.

Don't know that much about cart..are there teams there ? or is it every man for himself ?

racermike · Oct 11, 2002, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Smoothdrive
Welcome Mike !!

Good piece you added
..about Ferrari..big question is weither F1 is a team sport or not, i say yes it is..in Austria Ferrari made sure the Shumacher would be World Champion, in Indy Shummi returned the favour and made sure Barrichello would be 2nd in the championship..don't see anything wrong there..

Much better than Williams..taking each other out race after race because there own drivers are too competitive against each other.

Don't know that much about cart..are there teams there ? or is it every man for himself ?

There are 2 car teams.

Players Forsythe - Patrick Carpentier (#32) and Alex Tagliani (#33)
Newman-Haas Racing - Christian Fittipaldi (#11) and Christiano Da Matta (#6)
Target Chip Ganassi Racing - Scott Dixon (#44), Bruno Junquiera (#4), and Kenny Brack (#12)
Team Rahal - Jimmy Vasser (#8) and Michel Jourdain (#9)
Teak KOOL Green - Paul Tracy (#26), Dario Franchitti (#27), and Michael Andretti (#39)
Fernandez Racing - Adrian Fernandez (#51) and Shinji Nakano (#52)

These are the multiple car teams

Rarely do any of them follow any team orders. The teammates do work closer together than their counterparts in F1 on working on proper set-ups, although this really depends from team to team.

Team KOOL Green 2 years ago, had a chance to make team orders at the street race in Houston, where Paul Tracy was leading the race, and there was a question on whether the command to let teammate Dario Franchitti (who was in 2nd) pass him to take the win, and points lead over eventual Champion Juan Pablo Montoya.

Turns out, that would have made a difference in the championship, as Montoya and Franchitti ended up tied for the series Championship, with Montoya winning on virtue of more race wins during the season.

Dario did a little "blocking" at the Indy 500 (IRL sanctioned race) to help Paul catch up with race leader Helio Castroneves.

You will see it from time to time, but doesnt rear its ugly head as much as you see it in F1.

Not that I see it as a bad thing, just depends on the situation and circumstances of the race and series championship. I do see how fans feel cheated, when things like this blatantly happen, but thats just the way it goes, and I accept that as being part of the sport.

Picture of me in CART paddock at Mid-Ohio Sportscar Course in 2000 for the CART Miller Lite 200

racermike · Oct 12, 2002, 05:38 PM

One hell of a hit by Mr McNish .. wow

Lucky to walk away with everything intact on that one

Sep 24, 2002, 01:19 PM	Thread Starter #33
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	In that case a 1 on 1 golf kart race is ultimate racing.. __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Oct 11, 2002, 06:52 AM	#36
racermike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	This is my first post on HW Forum, and to the least did I expect for my first post to be about my love for Motorsports. I have been in Flagging & Communications for SCCA since 1991. Since then I have worked 42 races for the CART FedEx Championship Series. Have worked races as well for F1, ALMS/IMSA, Nascar WC, SCCA, Trans-AM, etc etc. I love open wheel racing, and F1 is, and will always be the pinnacle of Motorsports around the world. The downside is F1 has become more boring as of late, as the front of the grid is heads and shoulders over the back of the grid. The racing can still be very good at times, but other times atrocious. I really dont like Ferrari dictating who wins races like in Austria early this season. CART is having its own problems, but to this day is maybe the most competitive, and exciting form of major open wheel racing to watch. I have had the chance to see these cars race on 14 different tracks, and always get goose bumps on friday mornings when the cars take to the track for their first practice session. In CART, you can be the polesitter one week, and the next week not find your setup, in head of the rear of the pack. Also the diversity of the courses means you really have to be on top of your game to have a chance at the Championship. Christiano Da Matta racing for Newman-Haas, just wrapped this up in Miami last weekend, having a STELLAR season, and made everyone else look like rookies. I love F1 for the technology, glamour, and history, but Champcar racing is much better, if you expect to see more than 3-4 drivers having a chance at winning. To further put things in perspective, my favorite series, among all of them, is the SCCA Trans-Am Series, which if you have the chance to see, SEE IT! It is a great series with some really cool cars. __________________ The Dude Abides! P4 2.0Ghz (512) Intel D845WNL 1.5g PC-133 SDRAM (Kingston) PNY GF4 Ti4400 Kingwin 436 Case Windows XP Pro

Oct 11, 2002, 06:59 AM	#37
racermike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	BTW -- Good site I am on for, and done by CART fans (3000 members strong) SeventhGear.com (I am racermike on there as well) __________________ The Dude Abides! P4 2.0Ghz (512) Intel D845WNL 1.5g PC-133 SDRAM (Kingston) PNY GF4 Ti4400 Kingwin 436 Case Windows XP Pro

Oct 11, 2002, 08:15 AM	Thread Starter #38
Smoothdrive Foolish Genius Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 455 Rep Power: 0	Welcome Mike !! Good piece you added ..about Ferrari..big question is weither F1 is a team sport or not, i say yes it is..in Austria Ferrari made sure the Shumacher would be World Champion, in Indy Shummi returned the favour and made sure Barrichello would be 2nd in the championship..don't see anything wrong there.. Much better than Williams..taking each other out race after race because there own drivers are too competitive against each other. Don't know that much about cart..are there teams there ? or is it every man for himself ? __________________ GA-7VRXP, AMD2000+, 256MB PC-2700 DDR, Radeon 8500LE, 2x Maxtor 740 (40GB) stripe set, AGNeovo X-150.

Oct 12, 2002, 05:38 PM	#40
racermike DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	One hell of a hit by Mr McNish .. wow Lucky to walk away with everything intact on that one __________________ The Dude Abides! P4 2.0Ghz (512) Intel D845WNL 1.5g PC-133 SDRAM (Kingston) PNY GF4 Ti4400 Kingwin 436 Case Windows XP Pro

Sep 24, 2002, 12:32 PM	#32
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