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Brian1f1 · Sep 15, 2004, 03:01 PM

This is not an "anti-muslim" crusade Ron. Nearly 100 % of terrorist just happen to be islamic... a coincidence?? I don't think so. Iraqies will remember us as the people that freed them. You people who loath us so much. Most of you would be speaking German or Japanese. We don't kill innocents by choice. We will prevail. Narrccist or not the world needs us, and we need the world. Who cares if France has a spine of jelly. Bush does not, and now as evidenced by Russia Giving 5 billion dollars yesterday to fight the war, there spine has stiffened as well.. I guess it only takes a few boyond horrid attackes on humanity to realize what we are up against. I challenge Idenity to say he would subject his children to the hell that these people would subject to us to. Ronn I know your deep down inside your not as off your rocker as he is lol

digitalwanderer · Sep 15, 2004, 03:52 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973272/site/newsweek/

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It's not only that U.S. casualty figures keep climbing. American counterinsurgency experts are noticing some disturbing trends in those statistics. The Defense Department counted 87 attacks per day on U.S. forces in August—the worst monthly average since Bush's flight-suited visit to the USS Abraham Lincoln in May 2003. Preliminary analysis of the July and August numbers also suggests that U.S. troops are being attacked across a wider area of Iraq than ever before. And the number of gunshot casualties apparently took a huge jump in August. Until then, explosive devices and shrapnel were the primary cause of combat injuries, typical of a "phase two" insurgency, where sudden ambushes are the rule. (Phase one is the recruitment phase, with most actions confined to sabotage. That's how things started in Iraq.) Bullet wounds would mean the insurgents are standing and fighting—a step up to phase three.

Another ominous sign is the growing number of towns that U.S. troops simply avoid. A senior Defense official objects to calling them "no-go areas." "We could go into them any time we wanted," he argues. The preferred term is "insurgent enclaves." They're spreading. Counterinsurgency experts call it the "inkblot strategy": take control of several towns or villages and expand outward until the areas merge. The first city lost to the insurgents was Fallujah, in April. Now the list includes the Sunni Triangle cities of Ar Ramadi, Baqubah and Samarra, where power shifted back and forth between the insurgents and American-backed leaders last week. "There is no security force there [in Fallujah], no local government," says a senior U.S. military official in Baghdad. "We would get attacked constantly. Forget about it."

It's not just that he lied about taking us to war, he's LOSING the war too!

It's time for a change, anything but Bush and his cronies.

digitalwanderer · Sep 15, 2004, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian1f1

This is not an "anti-muslim" crusade Ron. Nearly 100 % of terrorist just happen to be islamic... a coincidence?? I don't think so. Iraqies will remember us as the people that freed them. You people who loath us so much. Most of you would be speaking German or Japanese. We don't kill innocents by choice. We will prevail. Narrccist or not the world needs us, and we need the world. Who cares if France has a spine of jelly. Bush does not, and now as evidenced by Russia Giving 5 billion dollars yesterday to fight the war, there spine has stiffened as well.. I guess it only takes a few boyond horrid attackes on humanity to realize what we are up against. I challenge Idenity to say he would subject his children to the hell that these people would subject to us to. Ronn I know your deep down inside your not as off your rocker as he is lol

Boy, you sure bought what Bush sold you!

This is a crusade, pure and simple. Bush thinks Jesus wants him to kill all the infidels, and Bush's advisors want Iraq for their own reasons ($$$/oil) so they are just telling him what he wants to hear.

We're committing atrocities over there daily and occupying another lands soveirngty without just cause, who are the good guys again?

G@MeBoY · Sep 15, 2004, 05:03 PM

what Bush does looks like this scenario when simplified:

My neighbor has loots of garbage that stinks out from his flat, I decide that his flat doesent deserve to stink so I go into his appartment, run my neighbor out of his appartment, i put my good friend into that appartment to live in there and take care of that stinking garbage and continue to live there for as long as I want him to live there, in someone elses (my ex neighbor's) appartment.

Now, if would do something like this in my building, police would come and arrest me, I would go to prison, but Bush did it, and consequences are yet to come...

GutterPunk · Sep 15, 2004, 05:51 PM

bad comparison/example

digitalwanderer · Sep 15, 2004, 06:01 PM

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bad comparison/example

True. Him and his friends would have to go and start arresting other apartment inhabitants in the building and holding them without cause or reason in inhuman conditions not observing the geneva conventions.

Oh, and when he busted in the smelly apartment to get rid of the garbage there wasn't any garbage there....

GutterPunk · Sep 15, 2004, 06:13 PM

With pictures of them naked covered in whipped cream and cherries, humiliating the prisoners, i mean uhhh detainees

Nacht · Sep 15, 2004, 09:48 PM

Saddam gassed his own people. He ignored the geneva convetions. He kicked out UN inspectors. He full well knew the consequences of his actions.

loudeye · Sep 15, 2004, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by G@MeBoY

what Bush does looks like this scenario when simplified:

My neighbor has loots of garbage that stinks out from his flat, I decide that his flat doesent deserve to stink so I go into his appartment, run my neighbor out of his appartment, i put my good friend into that appartment to live in there and take care of that stinking garbage and continue to live there for as long as I want him to live there, in someone elses (my ex neighbor's) appartment.

Now, if would do something like this in my building, police would come and arrest me, I would go to prison, but Bush did it, and consequences are yet to come...

I don't think Saddam can be likened to a load of garbage, he's far worse, but hey, I see your point and I just wanna say it's good to see the opposition to the Nazi-Bush administration is alive here at DH, and hopefully across the American continent as well. It's perfectly okay to be a republican and NOT vote for Bush ! The Nazis in the current administration are ruining the Republican party, dividing the country and taking a big fucking dump on all relations to the World. Fuck Bush ! He's a fucking loser. The American president is a coke junkie, an untreated alcoholic, a fucking prozac cunt ! Cheney is the real Slim Shady, and you stupid-ass Bush voters are all sucking his dick.

digitalwanderer · Sep 16, 2004, 12:05 AM

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Saddam gassed his own people. He ignored the geneva convetions. He kicked out UN inspectors. He full well knew the consequences of his actions.

But that's not the reason we invaded, is it?

I ain't defending Saddam, but if we invaded Iraq to get rid of him I think that is the reason the President should have presented to congress/the people rather than WMD and scare tactics.

It's a bloody impeachable offense, IMHO....and there ain't no going back and re-writing history to try and change our reasons.

Nacht · Sep 16, 2004, 12:59 AM

well they did find serin warheads, and the UN found evidence of them selling/hiding WMDs to other nations...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 16, 2004, 01:17 AM

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With all do respect to you and the friend you had in Iraq, he or she's opinion doesn't reflects that of all Iraqis.

There are 'insurgents' kidnapping and killing civilians that have connections with America. This violence is supposedly caused by US occupation, perhaps if the US left the violence would cease.

right after the war lord and terroists took over, no it'd get worse,,,,
their attacking the goverment, they will attack even after it's elected officals.
thie atticking police men and security forces made up of thier own people...

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Well, there wasn't much 'terrorism' in Iraq before we got there.

yea it was all well organised an old news.

so what do you call a brutal distator ship? with terror camps on thier soil? alot of dead bodies barried in that sand out there

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Originally Posted by ronnn

America has killed many innocent people in times of "war". Now if this is a war than collateral damage is possibly acceptable. But if war, cut the beacon of hope shit. Go on an anti Muslim crusade, just like the dark ages. Many many more Iraqis have died than Americans. Hussein is long gone, are you afraid of a fair election? I would be if I was George Bush, the place is in absolute chaos. A perfect breeding ground for discontented people that will be happy to take a few others with them. Americans remember 9/11 so strongly that they are willing to blow the shit out of a country that was not represented by the terrorists responsible. So how do you think Iraq will remember you?

so if a iraqy insergent or a terroist takes an ak47 to a buch of fleeing civillans or uses then as cover, killing them, etc then it's all on america huh? just as if we gunned them down becouse thats what they say... insergents attempting to purposely couse civillain deaths wich is of couse all america's fault right ?

we will be seen in different ways to diffrent people.... good & bad

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Originally Posted by digitalwanderer

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5973272/site/newsweek/

It's not just that he lied about taking us to war, he's LOSING the war too!

It's time for a change, anything but Bush and his cronies.

hows that just last week they finally had the 1,000th us casualty doesn't seem like their takeing alot of losses.
any one have wounded numbers?

or are thouse being hid

.....
bush isn't the best but he's what we have...
kerry is far worse in many other ways

, nader is poop stain

so it looks like 4 more years of bush

thats were my, my gf's, my mom/dads, etc vote goes I normally don't vote but i will this year...

We need more canadates!!!!
(i'll make a new thread if i get around to it)

Dom · Sep 16, 2004, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

right after the war lord and terroists took over, no it'd get worse,,,,
their attacking the goverment, they will attack even after it's elected officals.
thie atticking police men and security forces made up of thier own people...

"War lords" have already taken over, look at Fallujah.

Elected officials? You mean the puppets the American government appoints?

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yea it was all well organised an old news.

so what do you call a brutal distator ship? with terror camps on thier soil? alot of dead bodies barried in that sand out there

So you don't like brutal dictatorships... What do you call what Iraq has now?

Dictatorship is dictatorship is dictatorship.

The Iraqi terrorist camp is about as real as the WMD are.

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so if a iraqy insergent or a terroist takes an ak47 to a buch of fleeing civillans or uses then as cover, killing them, etc then it's all on america huh? just as if we gunned them down becouse thats what they say... insergents attempting to purposely couse civillain deaths wich is of couse all america's fault right ?

As I recall there were no 'insurgents' before the American occupation.

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we will be seen in different ways to diffrent people.... good & bad

hows that just last week they finally had the 1,000th us casualty doesn't seem like their takeing alot of losses.
any one have wounded numbers?

or are thouse being hid

1,000 is not a lot? That's 1,000 families affected, each of them with dozens of members. I'll bet if your kid was one of those 1,000 you'd say it was a lot. I think even a singular death for a meaningless cause is too many.

As for wounded, there are slews of them. Hundreds of amputies/multiple-amputies. Mamed American children because Rumsfeld sent them in without the proper body armor.

digitalwanderer · Sep 16, 2004, 03:11 AM

Yeah, we've "only" lost 1,000 men and women and we can't hold on to the territory we've taken and we're being forced back....how is that "mission accomplished!"?

G@MeBoY · Sep 16, 2004, 04:02 AM

there are terrorist camps in albania, bosnia, italy, why not bomb them all ?!

This is A FACT and people now about it, kosovo liberation army is a huge pack of terroristsa and they are walking freely in kosovo and albania, there was a british TV show few days ago, and I live here in Serbia and also know that as well.

What Iraq does in it's back yard is not USA's problem, it's a global problem and should be resolved globaly by UN (in which I also dont believe) not by ANY country by it self, no one has that right ! Esspecially not "Lets hit 'em hard will look for evidence latter..." I dont have words for that...really. It like fisting someone on the street because you "think" he's the one who killed your dog, then when you see he is not the one, you fist him even harder because he wated your time, then you take his money and his car while you'r at it.... %$#%!@#$

What if china decided to bomb USA because, lets face it, USA has LOTS of WMD !!! and lots chemicall weapons, lots of everithing and Bush is a good guy ???? The rest of the world should be aware of third world countries that have WMD, we should be worried of USA, as I can see, the USA is the only country massivly using all weapons ! ONLY USA ! So who is terrorising WHO ?! China has 500 milion people which can all be turned into soldiers and are considarable force even for USA, what if they arise ?

identity · Sep 16, 2004, 07:09 AM

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Idenity you sicken me with your love affair with the enemy. Iraq is not a failure. 9/11 was. Although it was not Bush's fault. How many chances did Clinton have to rally the public and up the defense? Hmm let me count the ways... The first trade center bombing, the Cole, The bombing of our embassies... looks like 4 to 5 if you count Okalahoma. There is no link what so ever to Bush and Bin Ladin, Only a few crazy followers of Moore would believe that and his movies are based on outright lies and streches. You are incredably ignorant to believe that... Far left desperate reteric...

Love affair with the enemy, huh? Was I the one who gave Saddam weapons and shook his hand? No. That was Rumsfeld. 9/11 isn't Bush's faults? Whose is it then, Clinton's? It's amazing how it's everyone else's fault but not Bush's. Then again, I guess it isn't his fault; after all he didn't do his job that until after 9/11.

I think you assume because I dislike your president that I'm a Democrat or a Liberal. I'm neither. I absolutely believe Clinton did nothing to stop bin Laden. He did about as much as Bush. For you to shift blame from one and put it on the other is ridicules. There is proof of government involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing, and there is just as much for 9/11. Your elected government arranged both. There's FBI links in the first World Trade Centre bombing as well.

For you to deny a link between Bush and bin Laden is to deny the Earth's round. Look through the links in this thread for clearifcation. Perhaps you'll be enlightened.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/political-religious-debate/55108-bush-responsible.html

OldBuzzard · Sep 16, 2004, 03:15 PM

So...the US Govt. arrainged for the OKC bombing AND the WTC terrorist attack?!?

Damn boy, you are definately proof that P.T. Barnum was right.

I think I'll follow my dear ole daddy's advise: "Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience".

digitalwanderer · Sep 16, 2004, 03:29 PM

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So...the US Govt. arrainged for the OKC bombing AND the WTC terrorist attack?!?

I don't know about OKC, but there sure is a lot of evidence that what hit the Pentagon ain't what they told us is what hit the Pentagon and the WTCs did not collapse because of the planes hitting them, there is a lot of ancedotal evidence that there were explosive charges that were planted and blown in the buildings.

Go ahead and trust your government if you want to, I'm old enough to know better and to keep an open mind.

G@MeBoY · Sep 16, 2004, 05:30 PM

I didnt know about this but I must admint that it looked strange that building collapsed from below and made a precise pile, like when they bring down old buildings with controlled explosions...hmmm...strange, like someone knew the plains are going to hit the WTC and planted explosives to prevent WTC from burrning days and days and poluting the city....

G@MeBoY · Sep 16, 2004, 05:31 PM

PS. Maybe goverment did it on purpose to make a final reason for attacking Iraq ?!

identity · Sep 16, 2004, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

So...the US Govt. arrainged for the OKC bombing AND the WTC terrorist attack?!?

Damn boy, you are definately proof that P.T. Barnum was right.

I think I'll follow my dear ole daddy's advise: "Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience".

Call me what you'd like... I'm not the one whose wrong.

ronnn · Sep 16, 2004, 07:40 PM

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PS. Maybe goverment did it on purpose to make a final reason for attacking Iraq ?!

I don't think so. But it is equally clear that Iraq had nothing to do with this either. Mainly was Saudi citizens. George Bush used this as a propaganda tool to pursue his families hatred of Iraq. Maybe something to do with his Saudi connections and oil. Why the US people are the only country to really embrace this war is not clear to me. You guys are wrecking your ecconomy for no other reason than revenge (but revenge for what)? Worst of all it looks like you are losing, or maybe best of all. The world certainly did not turn communist after your butts got whipped in Viet Nam (the so called Domino effect). Actually communism started to wane after as anti american propoganda (brutal war crimes) became less effective in the Soviet Block.

pr0digal jenius · Sep 16, 2004, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldBuzzard

So...the US Govt. arrainged for the OKC bombing AND the WTC terrorist attack?!?

Damn boy, you are definately proof that P.T. Barnum was right.

I think I'll follow my dear ole daddy's advise: "Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience".

haha..PT Barnum was right...but I woudn't put what he's suggesting off so easily...it's definately within the realm of possibility...they HAVE done dumber thigns you know....

G@MeBoY · Sep 17, 2004, 02:31 AM

@ronnn: It is clear to me that you dont even know where my country is located

but no hard feelings, my country and my people are Christian, we are not muslim, and I am not a comunist, nor is my country and we still got bombed

@all USA citizens: I dont have anything against you, it is just sad to see that you will soon have police hours, random home searches, bomb explosions in cities, all because your goverment is policeing aroud the world

If anyone of you know about John Titor (guy from the future), wheter he is real or not, lier or not, he's words are begening to have more and more sense over the time. He said that this years olimpic games are the last ones...

good luck to all of you, I hope John Titor is wrong, that I am wrong...etc. I hate violence....

ronnn · Sep 17, 2004, 09:21 AM

Sorry, I was referring to the World Trade Center and the likelyhood of the Bush Admin having any involvement. Outside of incompetence that is. You are right that I know little about the nato - serbia conflict. Canada had a presence there also and I hope we were not bombing cities.

G@MeBoY · Sep 17, 2004, 03:10 PM

if you had pilots there, they flew planes, they bombed

I didnt look much, I was mainly in the basement during that six months of air raides

Nacht · Sep 21, 2004, 05:07 AM

LOL! we have discussions about a guy from the future in a political debate forum?

G@MeBoY · Sep 21, 2004, 04:49 PM

it's not a discussion, it's just "mentioned"

ecliptic · Oct 7, 2004, 10:16 PM

Nothing like stumbling on a thread while looking for Michael Moore quotes.

Anyway on with the school lesson.

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1. IT industry has collapsed, NASDAQ has been crippled since Clinton left office.
2. We have been hit by terrorists unlike ever before, in which we still cannot find the masterminds behind it.
3. The economy sure as hell hasn't gotten any better since Bush took office.
4. The brink of a nuclear war with North Korea.
5. Iraq war over supposed WMD that ended up not existing, yet he was SOOO adament and sure that they did exist.
6. Accusations that Saddam Hussein was in bed with Osama Bin Laden, in which they still have not shown any proof of it.

1. The internet bubble popped before Bush got in office. NASDAQ was literally cut in half in 2000. On another fact. The econonmy of Clinton before Republicans took the Senate and House was cracking. The socialist spending was at an all time high as they had nothing to stop them. Gratefully Republicans stopped it right before Hilary's 1.5 trillion dollar healthcare plan.

2. Bush was in office for less than 9 months, really not his fault. It was a lapse in intelligence. As many times our intelligence stops attacks, there will always be times when they slip through. On another note, Kerry voted to cut intelligence funding shortly after the first WTC bombing. Clinton had a chance to get Bin Laden and never did.

3. We were borderline recession, and then a massive terrorist attack. What is suprising is the recovery we have had. We currently have a 5.4 unemployement rate. Clinton's absolute best unemployment rate was at 5.1 and it was praised.

4. North Korea is 100% Clinton's fault. Bilateral talks, cash, and deals Bill Clinton used to shut NK up did nothing. They backstabbed as soon as they found an opening. Kerry wants to ditch 6 party talks and go back to the same bilateral talks.

5. Intelligence failure across many countries. Russia, Britain, and a few other countries all reported the same intelligence.

6. Read the 9/11 commission report. It does state there have been discussions between Al Qaeda and Saddam. Saddam was an avid supporter of terrorism. He paid $20,000 for suicide bombers to attack Israel.

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there are terrorist camps in albania, bosnia, italy, why not bomb them all ?! This is A FACT and people now about it, kosovo liberation army is a huge pack of terroristsa and they are walking freely in kosovo and albania, there was a british TV show few days ago, and I live here in Serbia and also know that as well.

Italy?

Anyway we can't confront everyone at once.

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You think simply because America is the world’s super power that it has the right to dictate what other nations do?

Actually... yes, I do.

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It is exactly that kind of absolutistic/imperialistic way of thinking that is so wrong with democracy.

Got a better alternative? Socialism, totalitarianism, communism, and facism sure didn't show its grandeur in history.

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. You seem to see the Muslim nation as a group of lesser beings that you should teach the right way because Christianity is so great.

Actually I see their their religion as a threat. What do we do to threats? Eliminate them through democratizing the Middle East.

Btw I am agonostic.

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You people and your 9/11 references... You are so proud of your president and you think that what he is doing is so right. Have you even looked into the event in which you are referencing? Are you so ignorant and blind that you deny the obvious and documented connection between the Bush family and the bin Laden family? Did you not read the numerous reports of Bush taking the FBI/CIA off of al Quaeda's trail? Did you not read about the numerous inconsistencies and lies that Bush Administration fed the public? Their utter complacency, or should I say unwillingness to do anything about al Quaeda, their denial of prior knowledge and later admittance of it. How many lies will you believe?

You should quit reading conspiracytheory.com.

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Go on an anti Muslim crusade, just like the dark ages.

Actually you do realize that the Crusades were started by the muslims as they invaded parts of Europe?

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We're committing atrocities over there daily and occupying another lands soveirngty without just cause, who are the good guys again?

2 things govern a countries sovereignity. 1. The ability for you to enforce it. 2. The larger fish let you keep it.

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But that's not the reason we invaded, is it?

Um actually it is. Saddam failed to abide by UN resolution 1441.

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It's a bloody impeachable offense, IMHO

Glad your opinion means nothing.

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What Iraq does in it's back yard is not USA's problem

Yes it is. They signed a cease fire agreement with us which they never obeyed. Just so happens Clinton cared more about making cash off of selling military secrets to China than enforcing cease fire agreements.

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Elected officials? You mean the puppets the American government appoints?

So American goverment officials are going out to Iraq this January and vote?

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Was I the one who gave Saddam weapons and shook his hand? No. That was Rumsfeld. 9/11 isn't Bush's faults?

You think those outdated regular weapons that we gave to him to fight Iran is what this war is about?

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I don't know about OKC, but there sure is a lot of evidence that what hit the Pentagon ain't what they told us is what hit the Pentagon and the WTCs did not collapse because of the planes hitting them, there is a lot of ancedotal evidence that there were explosive charges that were planted and blown in the buildings.

Quit reading conspiracytheory.com.

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I don't think so. But it is equally clear that Iraq had nothing to do with this either. Mainly was Saudi citizens. George Bush used this as a propaganda tool to pursue his families hatred of Iraq. Maybe something to do with his Saudi connections and oil.

conspiracytheory.com really is popular among liberals around here.

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Why the US people are the only country to really embrace this war is not clear to me.

Actually Poland and its population is a big supporters of the war. So we aren't the only one.

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You guys are wrecking your ecconomy for no other reason than revenge (but revenge for what)?

Actually our economy is rapidly improving. We went from a borderline recession as the internet bubble popped to a relatively stable economy. Not bad considering we had the worst attack on US soil.

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Worst of all it looks like you are losing, or maybe best of all.

"Germany is ... a land in an acute stage of economic, political and moral crisis. European capitals are frightened. In every military headquarters, one meets alarmed officials doing their utmost to deal with the consequences of the occupation policy that they admit has failed." New York Times 18 months after the fall of Berlin to allied forces.

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The world certainly did not turn communist after your butts got whipped in Viet Nam (the so called Domino effect).

You do realize why we lost that war? Democrats and their bureaucracy which cost many lives. If we went in with the intent to win, we would have won. We had no fire zones, we weren't allowed to carpet bomb anything including their industry.

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Actually communism started to wane after as anti american propoganda (brutal war crimes) became less effective in the Soviet Block.

Communism is nothing but an advanced form of Socialism as written by Marx himself. So actually most of the world is losing to it.

On the note of Vietnam. Vietnam still sits a Communist country, we should have finished the job.

Falstaff · Oct 8, 2004, 08:02 AM

I think the ignorance of the average democrat is what Kerry is relying on. I would rather have a beer with Bush than listen to all the blue blood bullshit of the Kerry regime. Kerry is scary, and people will finally begin to find out soon....
I am a veteran and I cannot abide a presidential candidate that slapped all veterans in the face by tossing his reputation and his medals back at the U.S.

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digitalwanderer Colour Commentator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Highland, IN USA Posts: 5,620 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, we've "only" lost 1,000 men and women and we can't hold on to the territory we've taken and we're being forced back....how is that "mission accomplished!"? __________________ WTF is up with the sigs?

Sep 16, 2004, 04:02 AM	#135
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	there are terrorist camps in albania, bosnia, italy, why not bomb them all ?! This is A FACT and people now about it, kosovo liberation army is a huge pack of terroristsa and they are walking freely in kosovo and albania, there was a british TV show few days ago, and I live here in Serbia and also know that as well. What Iraq does in it's back yard is not USA's problem, it's a global problem and should be resolved globaly by UN (in which I also dont believe) not by ANY country by it self, no one has that right ! Esspecially not "Lets hit 'em hard will look for evidence latter..." I dont have words for that...really. It like fisting someone on the street because you "think" he's the one who killed your dog, then when you see he is not the one, you fist him even harder because he wated your time, then you take his money and his car while you'r at it.... %$#%!@#$ What if china decided to bomb USA because, lets face it, USA has LOTS of WMD !!! and lots chemicall weapons, lots of everithing and Bush is a good guy ???? The rest of the world should be aware of third world countries that have WMD, we should be worried of USA, as I can see, the USA is the only country massivly using all weapons ! ONLY USA ! So who is terrorising WHO ?! China has 500 milion people which can all be turned into soldiers and are considarable force even for USA, what if they arise ? __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Sep 15, 2004, 03:01 PM	#121
Brian1f1 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	This is not an "anti-muslim" crusade Ron. Nearly 100 % of terrorist just happen to be islamic... a coincidence?? I don't think so. Iraqies will remember us as the people that freed them. You people who loath us so much. Most of you would be speaking German or Japanese. We don't kill innocents by choice. We will prevail. Narrccist or not the world needs us, and we need the world. Who cares if France has a spine of jelly. Bush does not, and now as evidenced by Russia Giving 5 billion dollars yesterday to fight the war, there spine has stiffened as well.. I guess it only takes a few boyond horrid attackes on humanity to realize what we are up against. I challenge Idenity to say he would subject his children to the hell that these people would subject to us to. Ronn I know your deep down inside your not as off your rocker as he is lol

Sep 15, 2004, 09:48 PM	#128
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	Saddam gassed his own people. He ignored the geneva convetions. He kicked out UN inspectors. He full well knew the consequences of his actions.

Sep 16, 2004, 12:59 AM	#131
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	well they did find serin warheads, and the UN found evidence of them selling/hiding WMDs to other nations...

Sep 16, 2004, 03:15 PM	#137
OldBuzzard DH's oldest Geek Join Date: May 2003 Location: Oberlin, OH Posts: 2,781 Rep Power: 141 System Specs	So...the US Govt. arrainged for the OKC bombing AND the WTC terrorist attack?!? Damn boy, you are definately proof that P.T. Barnum was right. I think I'll follow my dear ole daddy's advise: "Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level, and then beat you with experience". __________________ When looking for a reason as to why things go wrong, never rule out sheer STUPIDITY

Sep 16, 2004, 05:30 PM	#139
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	I didnt know about this but I must admint that it looked strange that building collapsed from below and made a precise pile, like when they bring down old buildings with controlled explosions...hmmm...strange, like someone knew the plains are going to hit the WTC and planted explosives to prevent WTC from burrning days and days and poluting the city.... __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Sep 16, 2004, 05:31 PM	#140
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	PS. Maybe goverment did it on purpose to make a final reason for attacking Iraq ?! __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Sep 17, 2004, 02:31 AM	#144
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	@ronnn: It is clear to me that you dont even know where my country is located but no hard feelings, my country and my people are Christian, we are not muslim, and I am not a comunist, nor is my country and we still got bombed @all USA citizens: I dont have anything against you, it is just sad to see that you will soon have police hours, random home searches, bomb explosions in cities, all because your goverment is policeing aroud the world If anyone of you know about John Titor (guy from the future), wheter he is real or not, lier or not, he's words are begening to have more and more sense over the time. He said that this years olimpic games are the last ones... good luck to all of you, I hope John Titor is wrong, that I am wrong...etc. I hate violence.... __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Sep 17, 2004, 09:21 AM	#145
ronnn DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 617 Rep Power: 0	Sorry, I was referring to the World Trade Center and the likelyhood of the Bush Admin having any involvement. Outside of incompetence that is. You are right that I know little about the nato - serbia conflict. Canada had a presence there also and I hope we were not bombing cities.

Sep 17, 2004, 03:10 PM	#146
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	if you had pilots there, they flew planes, they bombed I didnt look much, I was mainly in the basement during that six months of air raides __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Sep 21, 2004, 05:07 AM	#147
Nacht ein Krieger Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Clemson Uni Posts: 3,127 Rep Power: 0	LOL! we have discussions about a guy from the future in a political debate forum?

Sep 21, 2004, 04:49 PM	#148
G@MeBoY makes your mouse tremmble! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Serbia,Livingroom Posts: 247 Rep Power: 0	it's not a discussion, it's just "mentioned" __________________ -= G@MeBoY =- ::Full color with 3DNOW! tech:: XP2000+ thoroughbred @ 10x230FSB - watter cooled by home made sistem - EpoX RDA3I - ASUS V9950SE/Td @470/820 - 2x256 DDR400 V-Data - !Live Player - 80GB Maxtor DiamondMax9+7200rpm - Tagan TG-380 black PSU - chieftek Matrix case - WinXP SP1

Oct 8, 2004, 08:02 AM	#150
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,047 Rep Power: 206	I think the ignorance of the average democrat is what Kerry is relying on. I would rather have a beer with Bush than listen to all the blue blood bullshit of the Kerry regime. Kerry is scary, and people will finally begin to find out soon.... I am a veteran and I cannot abide a presidential candidate that slapped all veterans in the face by tossing his reputation and his medals back at the U.S. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."