Bush

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 8, 2004, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom

There are 'insurgents' kidnapping and killing civilians that have connections with America. This violence is supposedly caused by US occupation, perhaps if the US left the violence would cease.

yea if the usa levaes the entire middle east will go arm and arm sing "~coom-bi-ya my lord ~ " and they will all become democratic and stop killing each other...and libe happily ever after

NOT

it wil be a big old pool of blood.... after they ehnically and relegously clean each other out of esistance they will turn to everyone else next

Dom · Oct 8, 2004, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

yea if the usa levaes the entire middle east will go arm and arm sing "~coom-bi-ya my lord ~ " and they will all become democratic and stop killing each other...and libe happily ever after

NOT

it wil be a big old pool of blood.... after they ehnically and relegously clean each other out of esistance they will turn to everyone else next

What is so great about Democracy? Why do we have to spread it around, as if people can't live civilized without it? Is the best way to spread our idealogy really by killing innocent people and electing puppet regimes to run the country the way we want it to be ran?

Sounds more like fascism, to me...

Borealis · Oct 8, 2004, 11:44 PM

Middle east is a big pool of blood with or without us there anyways so whats the difference?

Haven't been here for awhile, can't believe this thread is still on top of the forum. Funny.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 9, 2004, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom

What is so great about Democracy? Why do we have to spread it around, as if people can't live civilized without it? Is the best way to spread our idealogy really by killing innocent people and electing pupet regimes to run the country the way we want it to be ran?

Sounds more like fascism, to me...

They are elected buy thier own people...

(You mean the temp. government? becouse elections would have been impossable @ that point...)

killing innocent people

Dom · Oct 9, 2004, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

They are elected buy thier own people...

(You mean the temp. government? becouse elections would have been impossable @ that point...)

killing innocent people

Are they really? Bush wasn't elected by the people. And we also know the CIA had plans to influence the Iraqi elections.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Oct 9, 2004, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dom

Are they really? Bush wasn't elected by the people. And we also know the CIA had plans to influence the Iraqi elections.

yes he was

Dom · Oct 9, 2004, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

yes he was

Um, no he wasn't. Popular vote = people. He didn't win that vote and the election was decided by a 5-4 vote.

pr0digal jenius · Oct 9, 2004, 10:54 PM

the man has a point neon...lol

i personall stand by the electoral college, but i do think it has it's downsides...thsi being one fo them

altho popular electiosn have downsides too..so yer damned if you do, and damned if you don't

GutterPunk · Oct 10, 2004, 09:29 PM

the electroal college means a lot more than people realize... now if ic ould remember those reasongs but i didnt support it untill i had it explained differently

Dom · Oct 10, 2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GutterPunk

the electroal college means a lot more than people realize... now if ic ould remember those reasongs but i didnt support it untill i had it explained differently

I fully understand and appreciate what the electoral college is and am not deminishing its authority. Neon said Bush was elected by the people, which is not true because he didn't win the popular vote, not that that means anything. In the end, Bush was elected by five Supreme Court Justices.

GutterPunk · Oct 10, 2004, 11:44 PM

true that... i wonder how it will be this year....

digerati · Oct 11, 2004, 02:20 AM

It's just each candidate has something we like.

For example, no one likes that the majority of tax cuts from Bush go for people who make more than 200 grand.

But on the other hand, if you know economics you know that people who are sole proprieter's of a business have their income and the business income as one. Now small businesses are what we want to open up. They get the economy going. And so his tax cuts makes those starting businesses have tax breaks so they can grow and expand.

Unfortunately the uber wealthy people who just have a nice job to begin with and are greedy also get this nice tax cut so Kerry is going to take the tax cut away so those fat cats won't get the money.

So tax break for the struggling small businesses that need it and the fat cats who don't, or higher taxes for struggling small businesses that don't need it and the fat cats who do.

It's politics like that that put everyone in a tough spot.

thomasabarnes · Oct 11, 2004, 03:30 AM

Yeah, both parties have pluses. I'm starting to feel sorry for President Bush. Did y'all see the Saturday Night Live comedy spin on the last debate? They're mocking both presidential candidates.

thomasabarnes

Nacht · Oct 11, 2004, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by ^_^

It's just each candidate has something we like.

For example, no one likes that the majority of tax cuts from Bush go for people who make more than 200 grand.

But on the other hand, if you know economics you know that people who are sole proprieter's of a business have their income and the business income as one. Now small businesses are what we want to open up. They get the economy going. And so his tax cuts makes those starting businesses have tax breaks so they can grow and expand.

Unfortunately the uber wealthy people who just have a nice job to begin with and are greedy also get this nice tax cut so Kerry is going to take the tax cut away so those fat cats won't get the money.

So tax break for the struggling small businesses that need it and the fat cats who don't, or higher taxes for struggling small businesses that don't need it and the fat cats who do.

It's politics like that that put everyone in a tough spot.

Fat cats? excuse me?

It is not the responsibility of the rich to contribute to social programs that they dont use or want. The redistribution of wealth is the most retarded idea ever conceived by man, and it is also harmful to the economy.

MaXThReAT · Oct 11, 2004, 04:47 AM

I'm not going to be able to vote. I'll be under in home detention. Thanks Bush.

digerati · Oct 11, 2004, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nacht

Fat cats? excuse me?

It is not the responsibility of the rich to contribute to social programs that they dont use or want. The redistribution of wealth is the most retarded idea ever conceived by man, and it is also harmful to the economy.

Yes fatcats. A term that means people who make too much money. Like before job reforms when women got paid less than men, both sexes worked more than 50 hours a week, where child labor was rampant and business owners kept all the money for themselves. Redistribution is sometimes justifiable.

Ript_Van_Winkle · Oct 21, 2004, 04:38 AM

The only fatcat I see is your avatar, buddy.

TJ- · Oct 27, 2004, 04:43 PM

theres no doubt about it ,,, bush is a idiot,,,, he bankrupted the first few companies he worked for, he screws up the speaces which are written for him,,,,hes a moron,,,,,,well the list could go on and on........VOTE KERRY

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MaXThReAT DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 0	I'm not going to be able to vote. I'll be under in home detention. Thanks Bush. __________________

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Oct 8, 2004, 11:44 PM	#153
Borealis DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 143 Rep Power: 0	Middle east is a big pool of blood with or without us there anyways so whats the difference? Haven't been here for awhile, can't believe this thread is still on top of the forum. Funny.

Oct 9, 2004, 10:54 PM	#158
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	the man has a point neon...lol i personall stand by the electoral college, but i do think it has it's downsides...thsi being one fo them altho popular electiosn have downsides too..so yer damned if you do, and damned if you don't

Oct 11, 2004, 02:20 AM	#162
digerati Everyones life has worth Join Date: May 2003 Location: My Yellow Bug Posts: 3,779 Rep Power: 61	It's just each candidate has something we like. For example, no one likes that the majority of tax cuts from Bush go for people who make more than 200 grand. But on the other hand, if you know economics you know that people who are sole proprieter's of a business have their income and the business income as one. Now small businesses are what we want to open up. They get the economy going. And so his tax cuts makes those starting businesses have tax breaks so they can grow and expand. Unfortunately the uber wealthy people who just have a nice job to begin with and are greedy also get this nice tax cut so Kerry is going to take the tax cut away so those fat cats won't get the money. So tax break for the struggling small businesses that need it and the fat cats who don't, or higher taxes for struggling small businesses that don't need it and the fat cats who do. It's politics like that that put everyone in a tough spot.

Oct 27, 2004, 04:43 PM	#168
TJ- DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Infinity Posts: 3,679 Rep Power: 0	theres no doubt about it ,,, bush is a idiot,,,, he bankrupted the first few companies he worked for, he screws up the speaces which are written for him,,,,hes a moron,,,,,,well the list could go on and on........VOTE KERRY