Gay Marraige----what The F**k

Sandok · Jan 2, 2006, 11:19 AM

Okay, before the invention of your gods, gayness was very common and even during your gods births, it was common! (anyone read Troy?)

Back then, women were not very cool (slaves mostly) nad according to your big bible, women made sin. Thus many men were secretly gay because they loved one thing: Themselves. They love what they liked in themselves.

Love with a chick is everything about what u don't have. Boobs for example

Loving a gay guy means u love what u have. You love the same. And thus, it has nothing to do with religion or anything. It's just the way you perceive the world.

The law of nature is utter crap. We are the only species that can question the laws the world has. Don't bring that BS into this thread.

The bible or koran or any other "holy" book condems gayness because of one simple reason: it made their religion weak. No babies means no new memebers and thus, the death of the religion. It's very simple to understand.

Meh, believe what you want but marriage is a word. Whether these two people of same sex live together or no, what does it change? I mean, many live together without real binds (just roommates... sorf of ) and all that the WORD marriages does it give them rights (if one dies the other gets his $$$$ and etc).

Stop being to conservative. Sure, there are limits but hell! And it's mostly stuck to the UK, Canada and US this dilema

SFOSOK · Jan 2, 2006, 11:15 PM

I feel bad for you sandok if that is how you feel what Love is.

LuCifer · Jan 3, 2006, 10:21 AM

Well you have a point Sandok thanks for pointing that out.. I understand now..

Sandok · Jan 3, 2006, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Green Death Flavor

I feel bad for you sandok if that is how you feel what Love is.

Did I ever say in that post that's how I feel love is? No.... It's the way the people perceive love in the past (read sokretes or placetes) and that's the values you have if you are homosexuel. It's the love of the same.

Again, I'll repeat, that ain't at all how I feel!

I'm just explaining what it means for many to be gay... Personal attacks aren't very helpful

Captn · Jan 3, 2006, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

Okay, before the invention of your gods, gayness was very common and even during your gods births, it was common! (anyone read Troy?)

Back then, women were not very cool (slaves mostly) nad according to your big bible, women made sin. Thus many men were secretly gay because they loved one thing: Themselves. They love what they liked in themselves.

Love with a chick is everything about what u don't have. Boobs for example

Loving a gay guy means u love what u have. You love the same. And thus, it has nothing to do with religion or anything. It's just the way you perceive the world.

The law of nature is utter crap. We are the only species that can question the laws the world has. Don't bring that BS into this thread.

The bible or koran or any other "holy" book condems gayness because of one simple reason: it made their religion weak. No babies means no new memebers and thus, the death of the religion. It's very simple to understand.

Meh, believe what you want but marriage is a word. Whether these two people of same sex live together or no, what does it change? I mean, many live together without real binds (just roommates... sorf of ) and all that the WORD marriages does it give them rights (if one dies the other gets his $$$$ and etc).

Stop being to conservative. Sure, there are limits but hell! And it's mostly stuck to the UK, Canada and US this dilema

First of all, the logic here is faulty. Sandok is equating common with good or acceptance. So just because something is common does that automatically make it socially acceptable? Murder, rape, kidnapping, robbery, etc., etc., etc., are all common, too. Are they acceptable? Of course not. It's silly to build an argument on something just because it's "common." Second, you have no proof whatsoever that God was invented. But it suits your own atheistic worldview, so you have to believe it (and just think! atheists like to pretend that they are all about "scientific proof" even when they have none. It's just a smokescreen.) BTW, the Book of Leviticus was written long before "Troy." "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." -Leviticus 18:22.

Women made sin? This is incorrect. Eve was the first human to commit a "sin" (simply defined as "a transgression of the [God's] law--1 John 3:4), but she did not create sin. Adam partook of the fruit as well and fell from God's grace, and from that point on HE, not Eve, is held responsible for the fall of mankind. Read Romans 5 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..." -v. 19 It doesn't say "one woman's" (Eve). Perhaps sandok you could tell everyone how YOU happen to know for a fact that "men were secretly gay." Proof is always helpful to make one's point.

Both men and women were slaves back then. Certainly women were not held up as high as men, which is still true in Eastern culture, but as for them not being very "cool," that's a bunch of bunk. Many were held in high esteem as wives, mothers, prophetesses, queens, etc. So men love themselves because they don't have boobs? Sandok are you serious? The God of the Bible calls it a sin. Since He rules the universe and made all its laws then He can determine what is right and wrong. Homosexuality is contrary to the institution of family and the laws of nature (contrary to what sandok wants to accept).

If everyone were gay the entire human race would cease to exist. They can't reproduce. (It's a bummer when your worldview is dependent upon the opposite worldview to keep your worldview going! LOL. Gays can't produce gays. You need a man and a women to have a baby so that he/she can grow up and be indoctrinated into a gay lifestyle.) We are the only "species" that can question the laws of nature because God gave us a free will and we are NOT another form of animal or decendents from the animals. If evolution were true, and it's certainly not, then sandok would be right. God wouldn't exist, homosexuality could not be condemned, etc., etc. BUT, we could also not condemn murder, rape, robbery, battery, etc., etc. It doesn't hold water.

The bottom line is that sandoks reasoning is illogical and his atheistic worldview, by logic and reason, must lead him down roads that he would never claim to accept, but must by his own belief system. So Sandok: Is what Hitler did wrong, and if so, why?

Sandok · Jan 5, 2006, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captn

First of all, the logic here is faulty. Sandok is equating common with good or acceptance. So just because something is common does that automatically make it socially acceptable? Murder, rape, kidnapping, robbery, etc., etc., etc., are all common, too. Are they acceptable? Of course not. It's silly to build an argument on something just because it's "common." Second, you have no proof whatsoever that God was invented. But it suits your own atheistic worldview, so you have to believe it (and just think! atheists like to pretend that they are all about "scientific proof" even when they have none. It's just a smokescreen.) BTW, the Book of Leviticus was written long before "Troy." "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." -Leviticus 18:22.

First of all, what u stated are crimes that have physical impacts on people without them wanting it. To be homo has no wrong physical aspect on others lives AND it's not wrong in any constituation.

I'm not athiest... Uhhh I hate that I'm more agnostic because never has anyone been able to prove god's existence and never has anyone been able to disprove. And you see, religion is making you really close minded

The thing about troy was an example. There are other civilisations (hindu and chinese) which date back WAY BEFORE the books of "god"

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captn

Women made sin? This is incorrect. Eve was the first human to commit a "sin" (simply defined as "a transgression of the [God's] law--1 John 3:4), but she did not create sin. Adam partook of the fruit as well and fell from God's grace, and from that point on HE, not Eve, is held responsible for the fall of mankind. Read Romans 5 "For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners..." -v. 19 It doesn't say "one woman's" (Eve). Perhaps sandok you could tell everyone how YOU happen to know for a fact that "men were secretly gay." Proof is always helpful to make one's point.

Hey, I'm just telling you what some christians told me... Okay? you all have such different ways of looking at ur OWN bloody religion. Some belive in Dinos, some don't, some in this and some in that... And as I said, go look at other civisations before and after the birth of your book. Most greeks philosiphers were gay just for your info

Go study in school you'll learn.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captn

Both men and women were slaves back then. Certainly women were not held up as high as men, which is still true in Eastern culture, but as for them not being very "cool," that's a bunch of bunk. Many were held in high esteem as wives, mothers, prophetesses, queens, etc. So men love themselves because they don't have boobs? Sandok are you serious? The God of the Bible calls it a sin. Since He rules the universe and made all its laws then He can determine what is right and wrong. Homosexuality is contrary to the institution of family and the laws of nature (contrary to what sandok wants to accept).

dude seriously, you are reading my post way to seriously

Okay, women were for many men uncivilised. Being a mother back then was nothing and still is nothing in some eastern countries. Trust me, I grew up in one of those countries and I know. Women were considered wrong and unworthy by the greeks and many prefered men because they were equals. As strong. And thsu, those men LOVED WHAT THEY HAD. Honestly, the boobs was an example mate.

And screw your god please. Allah also made the universe. Maybe he doesn't care about homo? I mean, please, there are a billion or so gods so stop using that as an argument. This discussion would be different if you were budist but u ain't are you? I don't care about homos they can live for all I care. The laws of nature are barbaric rules. We should then eat animals left and right cuz we are the top of the food chain and should only have sex for prorecreation because animals do that too. And we should just crap everywhere and live like them to if we are to follow the rules of nature. Mankind exploits his surroundings to make life better. That's the FIRST rule of nature busted.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captn

If everyone were gay the entire human race would cease to exist. They can't reproduce. (It's a bummer when your worldview is dependent upon the opposite worldview to keep your worldview going! LOL. Gays can't produce gays. You need a man and a women to have a baby so that he/she can grow up and be indoctrinated into a gay lifestyle.) We are the only "species" that can question the laws of nature because God gave us a free will and we are NOT another form of animal or decendents from the animals. If evolution were true, and it's certainly not, then sandok would be right. God wouldn't exist, homosexuality could not be condemned, etc., etc. BUT, we could also not condemn murder, rape, robbery, battery, etc., etc. It doesn't hold water.

The bottom line is that sandoks reasoning is illogical and his atheistic worldview, by logic and reason, must lead him down roads that he would never claim to accept, but must by his own belief system. So Sandok: Is what Hitler did wrong, and if so, why?

And that's why religion hates gays. It made no more followers. You know what religion is? It's the best teacher. It teaches values. No I have never set FOOT in a church for any religios reason and my parents didn't teach me religion but you know what? I haven't raped, murdered or killed any bloody living thing. IT's normal and it the genes not to kill and murder. It's evolutionary that we don't kill our own kind. The people who do kill usually have some form of mental illness and usually have malfunctioning brains. Everything on this earth is made by MEN so why gave credit to some god for OUR hard work? These morals you talk about don't come from god. They are incrusted by society and WE made society.

Captn, you only spend time in this part of the forum and you must believe that Dinos are fake, we are the only life in the universe, a afterlife awaits you and thati'm gonna go to hell (btw, did you know my real name backwards in my mother tongue means DEVIL

) and well, fine i'm happy you have a purpose in life. I'm a scientist and look at the world with facts. No facts means it doesn't exist for me. Simple.

Btw, Hitler did genocide and anyone will tell you that's wrong... Moron

You know what, I've had a discussion like this one for about 5 HOURS with some christian folk in canada and they wouldn't care for less or more what I had to say because you close in and won't accept anything contrary to your beliefs. I don't care anyways since "atheism" is on the rise and more and more young people are finally waking up. Anyways, I do enjoy a friendly argument but I know this will lead to no where so bye and enjoy life Captn. May allah be with you (he is a god right?)

SFOSOK · Jan 6, 2006, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

Did I ever say in that post that's how I feel love is? No.... It's the way the people perceive love in the past (read sokretes or placetes) and that's the values you have if you are homosexuel. It's the love of the same.

Again, I'll repeat, that ain't at all how I feel!

I'm just explaining what it means for many to be gay... Personal attacks aren't very helpful

O come on, that is not a personal attack. Did you even read what you quoted?

I said If that is what you believe then I feel sad for you. Don't outsmart yourself now : ).

Sandok · Jan 6, 2006, 10:51 AM

I don't believe that's what love. For me, it's very different (machanical and transistors... mmm) but that's how they perceive love mate

Happy for em

SFOSOK · Jan 7, 2006, 06:16 AM

ya, I agree love is different for everyone. I just feel bad sometimes that people can't feel what I feel for my girl. Just wish everyone could know that feeling.

merlinxi · Jan 7, 2006, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

First of all, what u stated are crimes that have physical impacts on people without them wanting it. To be homo has no wrong physical aspect on others lives AND it's not wrong in any constituation.

I'm not athiest... Uhhh I hate that I'm more agnostic because never has anyone been able to prove god's existence and never has anyone been able to disprove. And you see, religion is making you really close minded

The thing about troy was an example. There are other civilisations (hindu and chinese) which date back WAY BEFORE the books of "god"

Hey, I'm just telling you what some christians told me... Okay? you all have such different ways of looking at ur OWN bloody religion. Some belive in Dinos, some don't, some in this and some in that... And as I said, go look at other civisations before and after the birth of your book. Most greeks philosiphers were gay just for your info

Go study in school you'll learn.

dude seriously, you are reading my post way to seriously

Okay, women were for many men uncivilised. Being a mother back then was nothing and still is nothing in some eastern countries. Trust me, I grew up in one of those countries and I know. Women were considered wrong and unworthy by the greeks and many prefered men because they were equals. As strong. And thsu, those men LOVED WHAT THEY HAD. Honestly, the boobs was an example mate.

And screw your god please. Allah also made the universe. Maybe he doesn't care about homo? I mean, please, there are a billion or so gods so stop using that as an argument. This discussion would be different if you were budist but u ain't are you? I don't care about homos they can live for all I care. The laws of nature are barbaric rules. We should then eat animals left and right cuz we are the top of the food chain and should only have sex for prorecreation because animals do that too. And we should just crap everywhere and live like them to if we are to follow the rules of nature. Mankind exploits his surroundings to make life better. That's the FIRST rule of nature busted.

And that's why religion hates gays. It made no more followers. You know what religion is? It's the best teacher. It teaches values. No I have never set FOOT in a church for any religios reason and my parents didn't teach me religion but you know what? I haven't raped, murdered or killed any bloody living thing. IT's normal and it the genes not to kill and murder. It's evolutionary that we don't kill our own kind. The people who do kill usually have some form of mental illness and usually have malfunctioning brains. Everything on this earth is made by MEN so why gave credit to some god for OUR hard work? These morals you talk about don't come from god. They are incrusted by society and WE made society.

Captn, you only spend time in this part of the forum and you must believe that Dinos are fake, we are the only life in the universe, a afterlife awaits you and thati'm gonna go to hell (btw, did you know my real name backwards in my mother tongue means DEVIL

) and well, fine i'm happy you have a purpose in life. I'm a scientist and look at the world with facts. No facts means it doesn't exist for me. Simple.

Btw, Hitler did genocide and anyone will tell you that's wrong... Moron

You know what, I've had a discussion like this one for about 5 HOURS with some christian folk in canada and they wouldn't care for less or more what I had to say because you close in and won't accept anything contrary to your beliefs. I don't care anyways since "atheism" is on the rise and more and more young people are finally waking up. Anyways, I do enjoy a friendly argument but I know this will lead to no where so bye and enjoy life Captn. May allah be with you (he is a god right?)

The main issue with following God is many people take it at face value. As in take in whatever anyone says. What Jehova's Witnesses do is not only do research, but study and study and study in what they believe in. They give you the information, you decide on what you want to do for yourself. The bible stresses "Do not follow another..." As in don't go in someone's foot steps, learn from someone yes, but make sure you MAKE it your OWN. The more you grow an understanding of what God is and is about and the rules that are in the bible, as well as the historical aspect of it. You appreciate (him) more. You grow to resepect his rules and understand why you are actually doing it. It's a long an hard journey. I for one am still on it and it's a great thing once you discover what it truly is about. What the entirety of the bible is. Not just one scripture and one book. The Bible as a whole.

Captn · Jan 7, 2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

First of all, what u stated are crimes that have physical impacts on people without them wanting it. To be homo has no wrong physical aspect on others lives AND it's not wrong in any constituation.

I'm not athiest... Uhhh I hate that I'm more agnostic because never has anyone been able to prove god's existence and never has anyone been able to disprove. And you see, religion is making you really close minded

The thing about troy was an example. There are other civilisations (hindu and chinese) which date back WAY BEFORE the books of "god"

Hey, I'm just telling you what some christians told me... Okay? you all have such different ways of looking at ur OWN bloody religion. Some belive in Dinos, some don't, some in this and some in that... And as I said, go look at other civisations before and after the birth of your book. Most greeks philosiphers were gay just for your info

Go study in school you'll learn.

dude seriously, you are reading my post way to seriously

Okay, women were for many men uncivilised. Being a mother back then was nothing and still is nothing in some eastern countries. Trust me, I grew up in one of those countries and I know. Women were considered wrong and unworthy by the greeks and many prefered men because they were equals. As strong. And thsu, those men LOVED WHAT THEY HAD. Honestly, the boobs was an example mate.

And screw your god please. Allah also made the universe. Maybe he doesn't care about homo? I mean, please, there are a billion or so gods so stop using that as an argument. This discussion would be different if you were budist but u ain't are you? I don't care about homos they can live for all I care. The laws of nature are barbaric rules. We should then eat animals left and right cuz we are the top of the food chain and should only have sex for prorecreation because animals do that too. And we should just crap everywhere and live like them to if we are to follow the rules of nature. Mankind exploits his surroundings to make life better. That's the FIRST rule of nature busted.

And that's why religion hates gays. It made no more followers. You know what religion is? It's the best teacher. It teaches values. No I have never set FOOT in a church for any religios reason and my parents didn't teach me religion but you know what? I haven't raped, murdered or killed any bloody living thing. IT's normal and it the genes not to kill and murder. It's evolutionary that we don't kill our own kind. The people who do kill usually have some form of mental illness and usually have malfunctioning brains. Everything on this earth is made by MEN so why gave credit to some god for OUR hard work? These morals you talk about don't come from god. They are incrusted by society and WE made society.

Captn, you only spend time in this part of the forum and you must believe that Dinos are fake, we are the only life in the universe, a afterlife awaits you and thati'm gonna go to hell (btw, did you know my real name backwards in my mother tongue means DEVIL

) and well, fine i'm happy you have a purpose in life. I'm a scientist and look at the world with facts. No facts means it doesn't exist for me. Simple.

Btw, Hitler did genocide and anyone will tell you that's wrong... Moron

You know what, I've had a discussion like this one for about 5 HOURS with some christian folk in canada and they wouldn't care for less or more what I had to say because you close in and won't accept anything contrary to your beliefs. I don't care anyways since "atheism" is on the rise and more and more young people are finally waking up. Anyways, I do enjoy a friendly argument but I know this will lead to no where so bye and enjoy life Captn. May allah be with you (he is a god right?)

"Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" --Pope John Paul II

Sandok · Jan 7, 2006, 07:54 PM

In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, section 16

Captn · Jan 7, 2006, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point.

Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, section 16

"An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded" --Pope John Paul II

Sandok · Jan 7, 2006, 11:33 PM

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.

Friedrich Nietzsche

Captn · Jan 8, 2006, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandok

At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid.

Friedrich Nietzsche

"As the family goes, so goes the nation and so goes the whole world in which we live" --Pope John Paul II

Sandok · Jan 8, 2006, 06:34 AM

knock urself out mister antigay conservative...

http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes...ich_Nietzsche/

johnmedgla · Jan 31, 2006, 11:34 AM

I really love the "gays can't make more gays" argument, always reminds me of monks and nuns. They're sort of prohibited from procreation as well. I know some people in my political party (I'm a British Conservative) whose blood would curdle at the thought of significant numbers of men and women locked away in the company of their own sex, but hey, in the name of religion...

Additionally, Sandok's logic is neither flawed nor specious. As a forensic examination of pure fact it is quite impeccable. Unfortunately, Captn attempts to implicate (subjective and abstract) moral judgments in order to demonstrate a rational argument, and that just can't be done. A conclusion can either be formed from rational analysis, or moral and ethical interpretation, but the two can't live happily side by side. One is necessarily a matter of faith, upbringing, culture and religion; the other is a simple statement based upon fact.

Nietzsche truly does rock, and he said it best - "That loathesome scourge, the bane of all modern life - the Christian zeal for proclaiming the love of the Lord for all his children before persecuting a fair proportion of them on nonsense grounds. The Creator of the Earth himself, the alpha and omega, elects to refrain from judgment until the end of days, so why, I ask - no really, Wherefore do these "faithful sons" claim the authority to condemn on his behalf. There are a great many Christians in the world, and perhaps if some of them practised the virtues they endlessly deride others for lacking, our Earth would be a better place."

Friederick Nietzsche, Letters. (That one was to Queen Victoria if I recall correctly)

YAYitsAndrew · Jan 31, 2006, 01:17 PM

Found on the internet, of course. It's in slight jest, so don't get out your fallacy books.

10 reasons Gay Marriage is wrong:
1. Being gay is not natural. And as you know Americans have always rejected unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.
2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because, as you know, a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed. The sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

Jan 2, 2006, 11:15 PM	#272
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I feel bad for you sandok if that is how you feel what Love is. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jan 3, 2006, 10:21 AM	#273
LuCifer DH sig maker! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fontucky Posts: 1,158 Rep Power: 0	Well you have a point Sandok thanks for pointing that out.. I understand now.. __________________

Jan 7, 2006, 06:16 AM	#279
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	ya, I agree love is different for everyone. I just feel bad sometimes that people can't feel what I feel for my girl. Just wish everyone could know that feeling. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Jan 8, 2006, 06:34 AM	#286
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	knock urself out mister antigay conservative... http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes...ich_Nietzsche/ Last edited by Sandok; Jan 8, 2006 at 08:16 AM.

Jan 31, 2006, 11:34 AM	#287
johnmedgla DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 26 Rep Power: 0	I really love the "gays can't make more gays" argument, always reminds me of monks and nuns. They're sort of prohibited from procreation as well. I know some people in my political party (I'm a British Conservative) whose blood would curdle at the thought of significant numbers of men and women locked away in the company of their own sex, but hey, in the name of religion... Additionally, Sandok's logic is neither flawed nor specious. As a forensic examination of pure fact it is quite impeccable. Unfortunately, Captn attempts to implicate (subjective and abstract) moral judgments in order to demonstrate a rational argument, and that just can't be done. A conclusion can either be formed from rational analysis, or moral and ethical interpretation, but the two can't live happily side by side. One is necessarily a matter of faith, upbringing, culture and religion; the other is a simple statement based upon fact. Nietzsche truly does rock, and he said it best - "That loathesome scourge, the bane of all modern life - the Christian zeal for proclaiming the love of the Lord for all his children before persecuting a fair proportion of them on nonsense grounds. The Creator of the Earth himself, the alpha and omega, elects to refrain from judgment until the end of days, so why, I ask - no really, Wherefore do these "faithful sons" claim the authority to condemn on his behalf. There are a great many Christians in the world, and perhaps if some of them practised the virtues they endlessly deride others for lacking, our Earth would be a better place." Friederick Nietzsche, Letters. (That one was to Queen Victoria if I recall correctly) __________________ Athlon 64 FX-55, MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum-54G,Corsair TWINX1024-4000 XMS4000 2x512MB 3-4-4-8, GeForce 6800U, Creative Audigy2 Platinum, 2x250GB Maxtor SATA Beatus Vir!

Jan 2, 2006, 11:19 AM	#271
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Okay, before the invention of your gods, gayness was very common and even during your gods births, it was common! (anyone read Troy?) Back then, women were not very cool (slaves mostly) nad according to your big bible, women made sin. Thus many men were secretly gay because they loved one thing: Themselves. They love what they liked in themselves. Love with a chick is everything about what u don't have. Boobs for example Loving a gay guy means u love what u have. You love the same. And thus, it has nothing to do with religion or anything. It's just the way you perceive the world. The law of nature is utter crap. We are the only species that can question the laws the world has. Don't bring that BS into this thread. The bible or koran or any other "holy" book condems gayness because of one simple reason: it made their religion weak. No babies means no new memebers and thus, the death of the religion. It's very simple to understand. Meh, believe what you want but marriage is a word. Whether these two people of same sex live together or no, what does it change? I mean, many live together without real binds (just roommates... sorf of ) and all that the WORD marriages does it give them rights (if one dies the other gets his $$$$ and etc). Stop being to conservative. Sure, there are limits but hell! And it's mostly stuck to the UK, Canada and US this dilema

Jan 6, 2006, 10:51 AM	#278
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I don't believe that's what love. For me, it's very different (machanical and transistors... mmm) but that's how they perceive love mate Happy for em

Jan 7, 2006, 07:54 PM	#282
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, section 16

Jan 7, 2006, 11:33 PM	#284
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not cease to be insipid. Friedrich Nietzsche

Jan 31, 2006, 01:17 PM	#288
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Found on the internet, of course. It's in slight jest, so don't get out your fallacy books. 10 reasons Gay Marriage is wrong: 1. Being gay is not natural. And as you know Americans have always rejected unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning. 2. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall. 3. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because, as you know, a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract. 4. Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal. 5. Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed. The sanctity of Britany Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed. 6. Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children. 7. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children. 8. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America. 9. Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children. 10. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com