ut2k4wikichici

Hmm lets think about this for a second

ATI= Handfull of games supporting it and overpricing crappy drivers(smartfart) and bad performace i mean my mate has Doom3 at max visual at 1024 res and it runs smooth as on a GF4MX thats right GF4 ?MX440 mine witch is a 9600pro runs it the same ffs. so that means nvidia has more perforace because the developers have got huge budget boosts because of it if uno wati mean

Nvidia= SLI,60fps average at max grafics 1920x1204x32 FFSA AA FAA TAA ect.,all games run better on nivia card but one downside pore mother F***ERS that get conned into buying ATI

So there u have it NVIDIA RULES

bananaman

i sense a lot of aggression :/

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redsolar

Moved thread where it's more appropriate judging by the tone of the message - Flame Warzone. Flame away. Neon? Your turn.

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CDsDontBurn

talk about drivers? nVidia has the weakest driver support ever! They release new drivers every millenia and beta drivers don't count, whereas ATI releases drivers once a month. Good drivers at that. As far as performance goes, yea, I agree that nVidia has the edge on hardware with SM3.0, HDR, and full DX 9.0c support, but can you say 10FPS/sec. more , Gee thanks!

Your friend's mx440 better than your 9600pro? VERY hard to believe. Only if he's running an FX55 and you have a pentium II 350 will i believe that. On top of that, alot of the new games will not install if they don't have anything better than a GeForce 3 or radeon 8500 card or better.

Your argument to which card is the better card is very weak. It is a matter of preferance with this generation of cards. The battle of nVidia vs. ATI will go on forever until one is no more.

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Jejking

Indeed, now I know I am in the flame warzone (don't burn me )

The fact only that you are mentioning all those terms in one sentence makes clear that you don't know where you are talking about. TAA? That is an ATi-feature (R3x0 and R4x0 only). FAA? Also an ATi-feature... Okay, I admit that it is practically the same as FSAA of Nvidia...

Maximum graphics? Okay, I believe that. But at a resolution of 1920x1204x32? No way!
1. No card will render that fluently, and certainly not with AA (or AF) enabled.
2. The R4x0 of ATi will beat the NV40, because off the higher fillrate. They always have an advantage in extreme high resolutions or with extreme high doses of AA and/or AF.

A GF4 MX440 is inferior when compared to the 9600Pro, no DirectX9 (DX7 actually), lower clockspeeds, and a good but older architecture. No way a GF4MX can beat a 9600-series at the same detaillevels and more...

The driversection:
We admit that the OpenGL-drivers of ATi have been neglected for a year (it was an issue of the last year). But since that moment ATi has been working hard to resolve this problem in performance, compatibility and quality. For now, they are almost at the same level as Nvidia considering OpenGL.
About DirectX9 we can be brief, nothing but excellent. Sometimes a little stutter, but I won't tell you about the NFSU2-issue of Nvidia. Completely unplayable framerates when going higher than 1280x1024. The ATi-cards showed that this engine was playable at 1600x1200 with AA and AF on, so... is that clear?

To state my reasons, read also: [color=#800080]http://www.pcmoddingmy.com/content.php?review.220.5[/color]

Last part of the drivers, Linux. This was a neglected area too, but at this moment ATi is working hard in order to solve their problems. The latest driverreleases are showing a truly unbelievable gain in performance and compatibility!

Both ATi and Nvidia are wasting (excuse my French ) their money to advertise and to raise possibilities for more support and blablabla, so in my opinion that is a tie...

So if you don't know where you are talking about, and you have had a bad experience with one brand, it is not guaranteed that it will always s*ck (sorry again ), so please first consider your options and temper you anger. With other words, shut up!

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pr0digal jenius

nvidia rules, until you get into, say, AA...where their algorithm is fugly

kelticknight

ati all the way

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Atomicpineapple

Well youre using doom3 as the 1 and only example, when that game was built from the ground up around nvidia hardware. Also, in the UK at least, ATI have the edge on pricing, seems to be the other way round in the US tho.

LuCifer

ATi is Whack... My Friend owns a 9600 and I ran a GeForce FX5700LE BFG and my Shit Owned his... That Shit Laggs like I dont know what...But Yeah nVidia all the Way... ATi can go Suck on Something...

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Geminiwave

Yes...the geforce4 is smoother in Doom3...If you're running it at its DX 8 shit and the radeon at DX9. Its completely different. You're comparing something running a MUCH simplier archetexture. If you ran the ATI card at DX 8 and low graphics as with the Geforce4, you would be singing a very different tune.

As it is, both companies have great cards and great driver support. nVidia is openGL king. Dont even argue it.

ATI is DX king. just stop. Theres NOOO way to argue it.

ATI also is AA king. Way more features and it looks better.

nVidia has SLI. Plus their SLI is more futureproof than ATI's attempt.

Both companies are cutting edge. Both are awesome...and theres NO freakin reason to be argueing over which is better. Why does it fucking matter if you like one better than the other. For the record...I like ATI better. Why? MANY reasons. I like their pricing, I like their employees(do you see any nVidia employees here TALKING to average joes like me? No. but you see ATI people doing that) and I like that they do NOT send out internal memos calling ATI cock-suckers and other childish names(alright so I dont think they said cock-sucker, but they used REALLY REALLY childish insults)

Plus, I have previous beef with nVidia and the 3dfx stuff.

btw one final note. nVidia lowered their IQ to try to beat ATI in the framerate battle. I realize its fixed. But did ATI ever do that? No. The worst they did was a play on words about trilinear...and it turns out that they were STILL truthful.

in the end though...If I can get a nice nVidia card for very cheap, I'll swallow my problems with their company and pony up the cash because at the end of the day, I want the best graphics card I can get. Right now thats a 9800PRO. Some day it might be a Geforce 6800 Ultra. who knows.

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LuCifer

Ok. Since you put it that Way I Like\Prefer nVidia.I guess I wont Talk Shit about ATi anymore Because you have a point. j/k But Yeah I guess ATi Is Awsome... If thats what you Say... I havent Owned one to Complian about it...but my Friend owns one and Man Does it Suck... Maybe its just his "Rig"

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Geminiwave

well and thats also pretty subjective. If he owned a 7500, I wouldn expect it to suck. If he owned a 9800PRO and was complaining, I would have to say that its probably his rig...or old drivers...or he allowed his computer to be raped by spyware. In any case, its not the cards fault or the drivers fault. That'd be user error.

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Darkone3200

my 9800pro is fucking awesome
with Omega drivers, i can crank the core up with no problem
now nvidia cards.....
1. cost more
2.produce more heat than an orgy in hell
3.drain more power than all of LUCIFER¹³†'s vibrating toys combined
and still have almost nothing to show for it at the end of the day. Companies currently build thier games up on nvidia technology, unfortunatly, but i sense this will change



side note
combined with an MSI mobo that dynamically cranks up my amd64's core speed depending on load, it works real well =p

Geminiwave

um...they dont usually cost more. Ever heard of a 6600GT?

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Lakevren

Oh god... must get into this...


Ok, I don't "hate" Nvidia cards. I hate "Nvidia the company".

Reasons:
1. I think at one point, they tried to "extinguish" some site that had modded nvidia drivers. 2. I forgot on how they tried to "extinguish", but they did this to several sites.
3. Wow, poor arse customer support.
4. Now I don't know about this, but Neon Cowboy quoted this, he said that Nforce 4 hampers ATI Video card performance.
5. SLI? Screw SLI. The hell am I gonna use SLI for? Doom 3? I HATE DOOM 3.
6. holy crap... Anti-aliasing. Wow... this is like... ugly. I saw some guy's screen, I said to him "put Anti-aliasing up. The thing has jagged and shimmer edges all over the screen" He said "It is up. like at 6x" "Um you sure it's enabled? Let me see 0x" And my jaw dropped. There was some difference, but god, it was still ugly.
6. You know that MX and TI thing? Good confusing advertising on Nvidia's part to make money by people trying to buy crap cards.
7. Nvidia = US company. ATI = Canadian Company. US companies are usually... rather... competitive to a point that they'll do anything. Just like EA. Oh and, Canadian companies = better. Example : Bioware.
8. OpenGL will be dead. Or is dead. Either way, Screw OpenGL. Was nice till people stopped making OpenGL games. Oh and the last OpenGL engine AKA Doom 3, sucks anyways, so not like I'm excited about Nvidia Hardware.
9. Nvidia was trying to be a prick by not letting Microsoft give details on their GF3 in the Xbox so Microsoft can do Backwards compatibility with Xbox 2.

Also... the FX 5xxx series sucked compared to the Radeon 9xxx series. Nvidia tried having a 5950 to compete with 9800 XT... i don't even think it beat the 9800 Pro. All the 5950 was just an Overclocked and added 128mb video mem 5900 card.

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ut2k4wikichici

Sorry i was abit pissed when i wrote this thred so yea Hmm i will correct my mistake

The only reson Nvidia card run better on games is because they bribe and threten the gaming developers so NVIDIA ARE CHEATING BASTARDS

ATI cards are awsome when running a Ati logo game ex. Farcry and Halflife 2.

For ex. my crap system with a ATI card can run farcry max grafics at 1154x768x32 no AA and Vsync at 60fps at tops and minimum 24fps in intentive enviroments and 32fps average.

So there u have it ATi actuley kicks ass given the right game

LOL i might seem skitso here but F*** u Nvidia BRIBING ASSHO**S LET ATI MOTHER****ING DO THEIR COOL S*** GODDAMNIT

ATI RULES LOL

ut2k4wikichici

My third post just opolojiseing to every one about my "temper" more like "Chipset Drivers not installed" DUHHH!!!!(im saying that to myself btw.) i was just angery because i dident realise i had to update my chipset drivers along with display drivers and direct X ect. so sorry if i seeem like a angery little git but im not

Sorry.

Ati rules! Nvida allso rules the arse end of nowhere ! hehehehe

swatX

you talk like you know $hit but you really dont. OpenGL and directX will be used by future games. ex. for openGL .. Quake IV and RTCW II and probably more.

And US companies are more competetive? really

lets take a step back..

Nvidia released how many 6 series cards?
Geforce 6200TC , Geforce 6200 , Geforce 6600, Geforce 6600gt, Geforce 6800, Geforce 6800GT , Geforce 6800U

lets see how many cards ATI released
Radeon x300se , Radeon x300 , Radeon x300Hyper mem , Radeon x600xt , Radeon x700, Radeon x700pro , Radeon x700xt , Radeonx700XL? , Radeon x800se , Radeon x800 , Radeon x800pro , Radeon x800xt , Radeon x800xt pe , Radeon x850xt , Radeon x850xtpe

well letsee seems to me like ATI wants to compete in every FUCKING market. for example the mainstreme market aka the budget market where 6600gt still dominates even with the onslaught of x700series cards.. just for 6600gt ATI released 4 cards.. wow ! ..

dont talk shit if u dont know anything..

Both ATI and Nividia are awesome companies and both should be competitive and thats what makes it better because in the end we the consumer benifit from competition. If there is no competition then you wont have new tech for a long periods of time..

please get this through your thick skull ...

kthxbye

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Vasot

Except from a Ignorant George Bush asskisser you are a Nvidia fanboy too


1) In most games with big resollution with AA\AF
ATI IS THE WINNER and with better Image Quality in AA!!!

(I am not talking about Nvidia SLI sollutions which is a overpriced crap at 100000 Celsius\Fahreneit noise overhotty for the RICH daddy boys like you and still not all games run at SLI performance if there is no driver support to them...)


2) Nvidia drivers are more stable in game but ATI has more features in their drivers (Nvidia has better Marketing and influence in game companies too)

I have played many games and i do have noticed any serious problems (except some texture corruption in some small cases that gets fixed with monthly Catalyst Official drivers
and not with 100000 Beta drivers like Nvidia Forceware)

Maybe you should buy a ATI first and later judge it if it is bad or not

Until then keep your OVERHOTTY NOISE SLI Sollution with the BLURRY AA Image Quality and keep your opinion to yourself

Lakevren

X800XL > 6800GT

Cheaper and better performing.

Oh and Nvidia's AA is still fugly.

And takes one slot.
But still, I won't ignore that Nvidia and ATI have come up in a tie.

Plus, for some reason I saw like 3 threads saying "I'm disappointed with my 6800 GT/Ultra/whatever, and switched it for an X800XT/Pro/XL/whatever"
Wonder why.

Must be that horrible AA.


Oh and what's this
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/amd-graphics-cards/74085-getting-aiw-x800xt-nextweek.html

bahahah your going ATI too


And SLI has bugs.
lots of bugs

just like this
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/other-tech-news/74061-sli-widescreen-broken.html

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pr0digal jenius

nvidia the company isn't half as friendy as ATi the company, no....no arguement there

LDBlues

Two words, DICE Canada.

pr0digal jenius

DICE is now owned by EA

Lakevren

um... Isn't DICE swedish?

I'm pretty damned sure it is

Also explains why BF2 is released earlier in Europe than in US

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swatX

why do u think i am going ATI .. i am getting it for hella of a deal however i might sell it and get a 6800gt. but that will be unlikely because i need the TV tuner. both companies has its pros and cons.

Nvidia has SLI out on the market and ATI still doesnt have anything to counter beside the pesky claims of r520 but same goes for Nvidia being tight lipp on its next gen card.

this is driverheaven.. ATI FANSITE.. F-A-N-S-I-T-E go to nvnews.com and ask them which card is better and u might notice threads over there that are just the opposite.

I like to stay with both companies even though i lean more towards NVidia. i can get a 6800gt for 300$ but i can get x800xt with TV tuner for 300$..

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LDBlues

DICE Sweden made BF1942 and is making BF2, DICE Canada made BFV. (hence the ...)

pr0digal jenius

http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/b...s_6115146.html

EA is still trying to buy DICE, and owns a fair chunk of it.

Geminiwave

Actually thats pretty false.

The owner prefers ATI cards. He has stated as much. But everyone here seems pretty split. The posting regularity seems even between nVidia and ATI sections. And from what I've seen...the nVidia lovers in this thread tend to get personal and have no facts to back things up, whereas the ATI owners such as myself have been very moderate and concede that both companies are good...we just have our particular preference.

I'd say that you need to stop hanging around places like nvnews.com. The people there are VERY biased and almost never bring you any real facts. Here we let benchmarks do the talking. And the benchmarks talk. This is a driver fansite. Everyone here loves drivers. As far as cards, we're all pretty well split. The ATI owners just seem to be nicer.

and just to add...nVidia AA doesnt look QUITE as bad as what you guys are sayin...but it is noticably inferior to ATI's AA.

then again ATI doesnt have SM3.0

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swatX

i rarely hang out at nvnews.. i just read some of the topics related to drivers or games.. and i do the same here..

as for AA.. maybe its just me but i rarely notice any diffrence between NV 6800 4x/8x and x800xt 4x/8x... oh well..

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Geminiwave

to each his\her own.

Most people I know cant tell the difference between 128kbps MP3s and 160kbps MP4s.

I, on the other hand, cringe when I listen to how nasty the 128s sound. In fact I refuse to use MP3s anymore as they tend to not be compatible with surround sound systems.

but hey...for lots of people 128 is fine.

Kinda like how the meat in mcdonnalds is fine for many people. Its complete crap...but its fine.

thats kinda mean though. nVidia AA isnt CRAP. its just not as good.

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