Hear this crap!

RIV@NVX · Nov 30, 2002, 09:29 AM

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Originally posted by some selfish CL guy that lies
Hi to all posters and readers of this forum and in particular this thread. I wanted to join in the conversation at this point to put a different viewpoint forward from that expressed so far. So here goes.

Don't shit, you don't even care about this but you only want to tell how good CL drivers are and how anyone doesn't understand that.

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There seems to be an impression that the KX project drivers have been a coup and that we have been taken completely by surprise. On the contrary. Why do you think we released open source drivers in the first place??? We understand that we can't do everything (but I'll come back to that later), and we also understand that many heads are better than one. That's the whole point of open source right???

Linux drivers are very usually open source. And they released open source crap, Eugene didn't start making Windows drivers from Linux driver. Hey, what are you talking about?
BTW, Linux driver has much better SPDIF passthrough than kX, and Eugene can't add it because it is different.

And stupid CL shitters don't even have datashits (not datasheets) for Audigy2.

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So why can't we give you more features on a more frequent basis? Well it has something to do with the fact that they provide their software "as is" and without any warranty. If Creative did this there really would be a mutiny! We in fact test our drivers and software on approx 17 language version of Win98, 98SE, ME, XP and 2K. That's over 85 tests of every driver and app. The problems that we find all have to be reported, replicated and resolved. That takes time.

Yeah, yeah... I have killed TWENTY DUCKS with just one shot while you were testing drivers. Let's better not talk about resolving issues.
If CL programmed kX (or at least make APS drivers run on Live!), it wouldn't be a mutiny.
kX's are more tested than your crap, Creative. And they have no warranty because THEY DON'T MAKE HARDWARE and don't get money for their work and support!

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So overall we are pleased that our more advanced users have found software and apps that bring our hardware closer to their requirements. Again this is the whole point of open source. Our development caters for the largest possible user base and therefore cannot specialise on any one area. But as the KX Project guys say on their website, their drivers and apps are created by musicians, for musicians. As yet they have no DirectSound capabilities (although they say they're working on it) - By the way does that sound ironic to anyone else? They also say that they've fixed many things that we haven't and added features that we can't. Well all I will say to that is that it's easy to fix something when you don't have to test your fixes.

Your drivers don't work good for anyone.
kX are for musicians because you had very bad support for them partially (anyone remembers of APSLive! hack?).
THEY HAVE DirectSound 2D fully supported, and DS3D partially (because EAX datasheets are not available and they don't know how to work with DS3D).
It is true what they asy.

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I have tried to make contact with these guys to see what we can do together to make the experience even better for our users. As yet I have had no response, so if anyone knows the guys responsible point them this way.

Yeah, and I had sex with Britney Spears yesterday

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Finally I will say this. Many people mistakenly compare the features of an Audigy Platinum or Platinum eX product with those of a dedicated HD recording card or specialist studio production card costing 3 times more. This is not what Creative offers - That's not to say we might not in the future but right now we are the best all round general card for gaming, music listening and audio recording.

Creative offers BSODs and headaches at too high prices.
So, don't advertise something you don't offer.

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Thanks

Franco De Bonis
Audio Brand Manager
Creative Europe

No thanks for this whole shit.

RIV@NVX · Nov 30, 2002, 09:36 AM

If you want more this is the place to go.
I hope that Eugene and Max can do something about it (or I am going to deal with it myself, just need to discuss it with Eugene).

Necrosis · Nov 30, 2002, 10:36 AM

You hear this kind of talk all the time on these Creative forums and newsgroups. I would not pay it any attention. Just remember it's their site/area and they can pretty much say what they want. Sucks of course but turn about is fair play.

Ryo-Ohki · Nov 30, 2002, 12:28 PM

--> Flame warzone ?

RIV@NVX · Nov 30, 2002, 02:09 PM

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Originally posted by borg1701g
--> Flame warzone ?

It would be nice

reno · Dec 1, 2002, 01:52 AM

/me has yet to have a BSOD or conflict with any creative labs soundcard (from SB16 to the Audigy).

RIV@NVX · Dec 1, 2002, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by reno
/me has yet to have a BSOD or conflict with any creative labs soundcard (from SB16 to the Audigy).

You're lucky....

Kelsenellenelvian · Dec 1, 2002, 10:51 PM

I have had nothing but problems with the audigy and creative drivers but kx drivers work splendidly? If kx can get rear and front to work on a audigy why couldn't the fucking creative drivers??

reno · Dec 1, 2002, 11:16 PM

Hmm, I don't mind Creative.

DallasStar · Dec 2, 2002, 02:16 AM

I've tried the kx drivers and I've tried the creative drivers. I like both for different reasons. I like the Creative drivers because they support dynamic soundfont cache and because they support ds3d very well. I like the kx drivers because the soundfonts with kx sound absolutely wonderful and imo, better than creative's original drivers. However, since I don't use the Audigy for actual mp3/wave music (i use tbsc for that stuff) , i cannot comment on that criteria.

My experience with Creative drivers stability has been generally positive; they've always been stable for me once installed properly. I have had, with some older BETA drivers, bsods and trouble installing, but that nolonger happens with the official audigy2 drivers that i'm using with my audigy.

With the kx drivers, I had some trouble figuring some things out initially and that caused me to mess up my installation and cause it to become unstable, but once i figured it all out, the drivers worked wonderfully. I especially like the fact that these drivers are SO FRIGGIN SMALL!!! Creative's drivers are like 20mb and the kx drivers are around 2mb total. wow!

Currently, I am using the official Audigy2 drivers because the kx drivers don't support my favorite midi plugin in winamp 2.81 and because they have limitations in the size of soundfonts.

I really don't like one better than the other

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RIV@NVX · Dec 2, 2002, 03:19 PM

DallasStar, CL drivers have a lot more than 20MB (because you count driver only, but you need to count AudioHQ and Mixer and some stuff that kX has so we can do some real size comparation).

I prefer kX because I have my CT0092 as single card, so it does everything about sound.
I don't have much use of EAX, because I play Diablo II and WarCraft III mostly and they don't require EAX.

I also like Winamp2 ASIO plugin which IS NOT supported by CL, because their driver is still ASIO 1.0, not 2.0.

BONEHEAD · Dec 4, 2002, 01:05 AM

I gave up on CL I spent a month online and on the phone to get some help when they released drivers for XP but they never were any help. I know I will never buy another product from them.

One of the Twelve · Dec 4, 2002, 11:31 AM

If I get a BSOD, the reason is always Creative (not the user

). Seriously.

RIV@NVX · Dec 5, 2002, 12:01 PM

kX, kX, kX...
Only suggestion.
Their hardware is ok, but it isn't fully used. And their software is bad.

reno · Dec 5, 2002, 04:16 PM

If you install the CL drivers properly, any revision past .253 for the audigy...you should never get any BSOD's that are CAUSED by the soundcard's drivers, you could still get them, but it's most likely the OS or the game that screws it up.

Come on people, I'm using like the most witchcraft created chipset for the Pentium 4, which is totally weirded up and reacts vehemently with everything...BUT my soundcard! (I've even got a 686B southbridge! The infamous "doesn't like creative" southbridge!)

It's usually user error with any soundcard or videocard drivers, and that's all I gots ta say bout dat.

merry · Dec 6, 2002, 11:32 AM

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Originally posted by reno
I've even got a 686B southbridge!

COOL!

Do you think we could start a chipset flamewar? The proc 'debate' isn't much fun lately...

Too bad you would be in the VIA Camp, though...

RIV@NVX · Dec 6, 2002, 09:19 PM

Link

No comment.

reno · Dec 15, 2002, 02:34 AM

Chipset war...hehe...

RIV@NVX · Dec 16, 2002, 03:45 PM

Check this thread, it is kind of addon...

reno · Dec 22, 2002, 03:50 PM

Man, my Via P4X266 has served me well for...well, shit, more than a year now. God I can't believe my computer is already that old!

rogeld · Dec 23, 2002, 06:06 PM

My impression on CL has been nothing but negative. Bought an Audigy and had nothing but problems with lockups and when I asked Creative about it, they passed the blame. Funny how the problem went away when I sold the Audigy and bought a TBSC. What a weird coincidence.

Khumbu · Dec 24, 2002, 01:27 AM

*hears*

*runs away*

ToshiroOC · Dec 24, 2002, 02:56 AM

I have an Audigy, have been running the drivers that came in the box with it since the day I installed it almost a year ago, and I've never had an Audigy-based crash. Ever. And as I like to say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I heard about Audigy and Craetive problems, and since I wasn't having problems, I never bothered to touch anything about my sound card in the hopes that I wouldn't screw up my lucky install...

RIV@NVX · Dec 24, 2002, 12:32 PM

Well, I have an idea for myself...
And idea is called - DON'T buy Audigy2 (at least untill kX supports it, but better never) - rather go for TerraTec DMX 6fire 24/96 (LT) or anything VIA Envy24HT based that supports ASIO and GSIF.

And I hate playback glitches that CL drivers always have (wave, MIDI, anything).
kX doesn't have those glitches all the time - wave for example is very good.

RIV@NVX · Dec 25, 2002, 09:33 PM

This thread is updated with SPECIAL NOT SEEN BEFORE Harvey Fong screenshot!

Zarathustra · Dec 26, 2002, 06:03 PM

Maybe you should create a topic with nothing but Creative headshots

RIV@NVX · Jan 10, 2003, 10:19 PM

Actually this thread consists the picture now; but I am posting it here too:

Nov 30, 2002, 09:36 AM	Thread Starter #2
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	If you want more this is the place to go. I hope that Eugene and Max can do something about it (or I am going to deal with it myself, just need to discuss it with Eugene). __________________ -- Vedran

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reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	dfg /me has yet to have a BSOD or conflict with any creative labs soundcard (from SB16 to the Audigy).

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Dec 1, 2002, 11:16 PM	#9
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	ytru Hmm, I don't mind Creative.

Nov 30, 2002, 10:36 AM	#3
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	You hear this kind of talk all the time on these Creative forums and newsgroups. I would not pay it any attention. Just remember it's their site/area and they can pretty much say what they want. Sucks of course but turn about is fair play.

Dec 2, 2002, 02:16 AM	#10
DallasStar Junior Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wave Existence Posts: 2,065 Rep Power: 0	I've tried the kx drivers and I've tried the creative drivers. I like both for different reasons. I like the Creative drivers because they support dynamic soundfont cache and because they support ds3d very well. I like the kx drivers because the soundfonts with kx sound absolutely wonderful and imo, better than creative's original drivers. However, since I don't use the Audigy for actual mp3/wave music (i use tbsc for that stuff) , i cannot comment on that criteria. My experience with Creative drivers stability has been generally positive; they've always been stable for me once installed properly. I have had, with some older BETA drivers, bsods and trouble installing, but that nolonger happens with the official audigy2 drivers that i'm using with my audigy. With the kx drivers, I had some trouble figuring some things out initially and that caused me to mess up my installation and cause it to become unstable, but once i figured it all out, the drivers worked wonderfully. I especially like the fact that these drivers are SO FRIGGIN SMALL!!! Creative's drivers are like 20mb and the kx drivers are around 2mb total. wow! Currently, I am using the official Audigy2 drivers because the kx drivers don't support my favorite midi plugin in winamp 2.81 and because they have limitations in the size of soundfonts. I really don't like one better than the other . __________________ "A picture of my existence... would show a useless wooden stake covered in snow... stuck loosely at a slant in the ground in a ploughed field on the edge of a vast open plain on a dark winter night." --- Franz Kafka

Dec 2, 2002, 03:19 PM	Thread Starter #11
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	DallasStar, CL drivers have a lot more than 20MB (because you count driver only, but you need to count AudioHQ and Mixer and some stuff that kX has so we can do some real size comparation). I prefer kX because I have my CT0092 as single card, so it does everything about sound. I don't have much use of EAX, because I play Diablo II and WarCraft III mostly and they don't require EAX. I also like Winamp2 ASIO plugin which IS NOT supported by CL, because their driver is still ASIO 1.0, not 2.0. __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 4, 2002, 01:05 AM	#12
BONEHEAD DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: TEXAS Posts: 182 Rep Power: 0	I gave up on CL I spent a month online and on the phone to get some help when they released drivers for XP but they never were any help. I know I will never buy another product from them.

Dec 4, 2002, 11:31 AM	#13
One of the Twelve DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The Kold North Posts: 131 Rep Power: 0	If I get a BSOD, the reason is always Creative (not the user ). Seriously. __________________

Dec 5, 2002, 12:01 PM	Thread Starter #14
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	kX, kX, kX... Only suggestion. Their hardware is ok, but it isn't fully used. And their software is bad. __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 5, 2002, 04:16 PM	#15
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	gh If you install the CL drivers properly, any revision past .253 for the audigy...you should never get any BSOD's that are CAUSED by the soundcard's drivers, you could still get them, but it's most likely the OS or the game that screws it up. Come on people, I'm using like the most witchcraft created chipset for the Pentium 4, which is totally weirded up and reacts vehemently with everything...BUT my soundcard! (I've even got a 686B southbridge! The infamous "doesn't like creative" southbridge!) It's usually user error with any soundcard or videocard drivers, and that's all I gots ta say bout dat.

Dec 6, 2002, 09:19 PM	Thread Starter #17
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Link No comment. __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 15, 2002, 02:34 AM	#18
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	df Chipset war...hehe...

Dec 16, 2002, 03:45 PM	Thread Starter #19
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Check this thread, it is kind of addon... __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 22, 2002, 03:50 PM	#20
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	er Man, my Via P4X266 has served me well for...well, shit, more than a year now. God I can't believe my computer is already that old!

Dec 23, 2002, 06:06 PM	#21
rogeld DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 259 Rep Power: 0	My impression on CL has been nothing but negative. Bought an Audigy and had nothing but problems with lockups and when I asked Creative about it, they passed the blame. Funny how the problem went away when I sold the Audigy and bought a TBSC. What a weird coincidence.

Dec 24, 2002, 01:27 AM	#22
Khumbu DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	hears runs away

Dec 24, 2002, 02:56 AM	#23
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	I have an Audigy, have been running the drivers that came in the box with it since the day I installed it almost a year ago, and I've never had an Audigy-based crash. Ever. And as I like to say, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I heard about Audigy and Craetive problems, and since I wasn't having problems, I never bothered to touch anything about my sound card in the hopes that I wouldn't screw up my lucky install... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Dec 24, 2002, 12:32 PM	Thread Starter #24
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Well, I have an idea for myself... And idea is called - DON'T buy Audigy2 (at least untill kX supports it, but better never) - rather go for TerraTec DMX 6fire 24/96 (LT) or anything VIA Envy24HT based that supports ASIO and GSIF. And I hate playback glitches that CL drivers always have (wave, MIDI, anything). kX doesn't have those glitches all the time - wave for example is very good. __________________ -- Vedran Last edited by RIV@NVX; Dec 24, 2002 at 12:37 PM.

Dec 25, 2002, 09:33 PM	Thread Starter #25
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	This thread is updated with SPECIAL NOT SEEN BEFORE Harvey Fong screenshot! __________________ -- Vedran

Dec 26, 2002, 06:03 PM	#26
Zarathustra Elite Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Confederacy Posts: 841 Rep Power: 0	Maybe you should create a topic with nothing but Creative headshots

Jan 10, 2003, 10:19 PM	Thread Starter #27
RIV@NVX Freedom is a feature. Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Croatia, Rijeka Posts: 4,476 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	Actually this thread consists the picture now; but I am posting it here too: __________________ -- Vedran