Death Sentence for Apostates...

Warpy · Jul 11, 2005, 10:10 AM

I'm a little angry and you could say disgraced by the latest threats on London with bombings, with the intention of injecting fear into innocent men, women and children. The death sentence for blasphemy is quite frequent in the Islamic world. A silly writing by a sloppy reporter about a beauty pageant resulted into hundreds of death in Nigeria. While thugs on the street of Nigeria can be blamed for most of the killings, the local government did issue a death sentence on the reporter for blasphemy—insulting Prophet Muhammad. Similar death sentence on Salman Rushdie had drawn intense attention, and the recent case of blasphemy of a history professor, Hashem Aghajari, in Iran is getting lukewarm response around the globe. Prof. Aghajari did not insult God or the prophet; he merely remarked that the Shiite Muslims of Iran are not monkeys to blindly follow the clerics—a statement that invited intense ire of the clerics.

These clerics have convinced the Muslims that a death sentence for apostasy or blasphemy is a law from God and decreed in the Qur’an. In turn, rest of the world considers such a barbaric law to be Islamic. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In the history of Islam, the first recorded apostasy was during the time of Prophet Muhammad. Since he was illiterate, the prophet had obtained several scribes to write down the revealed messages of God in the form of Qur’an. One of the scribes in Madinah was Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi Sarh. After being a Muslim and having spent time with Muhammad, Abdullah renounced the religion. This apostate was neither persecuted nor punished.

Like most other religions, corrupt Islamic politicians and religious leaders tried to put words in God’s mouth to justify their acts. To validate corrupt man-made laws, people have distorted the verdicts of the Qur’an, or have attributed false statements to the prophet. Over a period, such man-made laws became part of Islamic teaching.

'Holy War (Jihad) means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories. It is possible that it may be declared after the formation of an Islamic government worthy of the name, under the direction of an imam or at his command. It will then be incumbent upon every able-bodied adult man to volunteer for this war of conquest, whose final goal is the domination of Qur'anic law from one end of the earth to the other.' 4

'Eleven things are unclean: urine, excrement, sperm, blood, a dog, a pig, bones, a non-Muslim man or woman, wine, beer, and perspiration of the camel that eats filth.'

So my question is, should these people be allowed to live amongst us in our community, given their view and stand towards all non believers being worthy of death?

TJ- · Jul 11, 2005, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Warpy

So my question is, should these people be allowed to live amongst us in our community, given there view all non believers being worthy of death?

What do you consider the alternative? Mass genocide of all non believers of an opposing religion. There is a war going on. Muslim vs christian, it is not a war on terror. This new war will rage until one party is brought to its knees. London, Madrid, Bali, New York attacks are small battles in this great [religious] war, propraganda will plague both sides after such a battle, such as what has happened after 9/11 and the recent attacks...

mishima · Jul 11, 2005, 10:52 AM

It is a war on terror because they are terrorists, they are the radical section of islam.

Sandok · Jul 11, 2005, 02:20 PM

I must say that I'm open to religions but the way muslims are going, I don't mind people getting pissed off at them. They are completely bonkers. I was watching a thing on CNN about the islmaic world and it showed young boys reading their sacred book, nodding back in forth like in some trance... What's up with that? My religion is not much better but it ain't completely messed up like that!

Genocide isn't "legal" and the modern world is not gonna start a war. Till the islamic fatallistic killers have gone to far, our world will do nothing. But soon, I'm sure it's going to be too much and a real modern religious war is going to begin. Normal people versus Xtreme religious people.

And then the same with other religions... We can't act hostile cuz once we get rid of one guy, we will find the next also to extreme and do the whole thing all over again. Anyways, don't forget that the muslim relgion started 1200 years later than the Christian one and they need time to "mature". 1200 years ago, the Church was beheading anyone and everyone it could who opposed "God" or the "Pope". So yes, they are crazy those arabs with their tradations and if they get a real beating, I wouldn't be doing a anti-war protest but with time, everything will better

mishima · Jul 11, 2005, 03:19 PM

rofl! GG'z

Geminiwave · Jul 12, 2005, 04:22 AM

you guys are crazy. This isnt islam. These are terrorists that are products of a certain region NOT a certain religion.

Hell I was born and raised (for a fair while) in Oklahoma and I would bet that QUITE A FEW people in the small towns there could be terrorists given half a chance. Its a harsh enviornment where people are abused (and oklahoma people arent even abused as bad as people in the middle east) and thats going to create some crazies.

Anyone who thinks that "something should be done about those muslims" is about as crazy as the terrorists.

Something needs to be done about the TERRORISTS. NOT a certain organization that they subscribe to.

If I'm a member of the Boyscouts and I go shoot down everyone in my school, does that mean people need to go after the boyscouts? absolutely not. They have NOTHING to do with eachother.

All religions have their dark parts, and parts that you just have to swallow if you're part of that religion. That doesnt mean that the people in the religious organization are bad or terrorists or anything of the sort.

nitrousoxide52 · Jul 12, 2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sandok

I must say that I'm open to religions but the way muslims are going, I don't mind people getting pissed off at them. They are completely bonkers. I was watching a thing on CNN about the islmaic world and it showed young boys reading their sacred book, nodding back in forth like in some trance... What's up with that? My religion is not much better but it ain't completely messed up like that!

Genocide isn't "legal" and the modern world is not gonna start a war. Till the islamic fatallistic killers have gone to far, our world will do nothing. But soon, I'm sure it's going to be too much and a real modern religious war is going to begin. Normal people versus Xtreme religious people.

And then the same with other religions... We can't act hostile cuz once we get rid of one guy, we will find the next also to extreme and do the whole thing all over again. Anyways, don't forget that the muslim relgion started 1200 years later than the Christian one and they need time to "mature". 1200 years ago, the Church was beheading anyone and everyone it could who opposed "God" or the "Pope". So yes, they are crazy those arabs with their tradations and if they get a real beating, I wouldn't be doing a anti-war protest but with time, everything will better

Yeah, well Christianity isn't much better, they brain wash young children with music. Ever heard of "Worship Jams"? It's the kidsbop version of worship music.
Both of the religions are insane, equally insane. Christianity has had more of a terror campaign then the Muslim faith, so anyone who is christian who says what they're doing is bad, they should take a look at their religion's past, I can say it is bad because I'm of no faith, so hah! I also have a great get rich quick scheme, I will get some tap water, put it in a glass flask, and say "Hey look I have holy water! $1000 bucks a flask!". Christians are so gullible....

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Jul 12, 2005, 06:26 AM

its a double sided blade, but IMO how many muslims view islam is absolutely wrong. i see those MOSTLY apparent in pakistanis, afghanis and somalians here. the shias also are much more extreme. muslims fight in a dirty way to us, but its their form of fighting. none of their countries is a legitimate millitary (yes millitary, not as a nation i note that's a whole different problem) super power like america, china or britain. they speak about cleansiness; their hygenic habits are atrocious.

i support islam, but extremists hell no. the issue of muslims in palestines, yes that is legitimate IMO. I have too many muslim friends to name, but you know what sure they have an opinion about what is going on but need to look at the issue from both perspectives. that's what i mean but double edge blade. but when your religion (like almost all other ones) is built on peace and helping each other and you go ahead exploiting sections of the qu'ran to justify your retaliation is wrong. if you will fight, you will fight for your country. don't act like a fuckng retard screaming for allah the infidels etc. thinking this is some holy war because in this day and age america could care less to transform another country's religion. religion doesn't fuel society as much as it did when these ideas of islam (jihad etc.) were made, it is business and economy. that is why the us fights them and the muslims worldwide do need to calm the fuck down sometimes in various countries (i.e pakistan!). some stuff is unjustified, but it is the only way to retaliate.

and all relgions have nutjobs, just more recently we see islam with more. a hindu extremists killed one of the biggest heroes of the world (gandhi), christians have been well known to go in to many territories and convert people through propoganda i would say, israel coming in tanks rolling over palestinian homes, invading their women's bodies, unrightfully detaining them. so if anyone does think it is islam that is wrong, think again all our religions have done fucked up shit and still do fucked up shit.

and btw i am hindu if your wondering where my viewpoints is coming from. i know fecalmatter and stupid torro arent here so wont piss me off

**dj_stick** · Jul 12, 2005, 08:11 AM

ok BBP, from what i understand from your post, you're just saying that the religion is not the problem, which i agree

it's just the problem is that the extremists use religion as an excuse, when it is not

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Jul 12, 2005, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dj_stick

ok BBP, from what i understand from your post, you're just saying that the religion is not the problem, which i agree

it's just the problem is that the extremists use religion as an excuse, when it is not

exactly, i know too many muslims who say the exact same thing as you and me.

its fucking retarded how the states labels lebanon, syria etc terrorist states. their groups are not based in a country really, its all around the muslim world from indonesia to around egypt. fucked up peeps using allah as an excuse to kill. i don't go around telling people "Lord Krishna told me to punish anyone who disagrees with eating beef" thats your fucking problem if you eat it, i eat it even though im hindu so its my fucking problem. i have my faith and lets keep it to ourselves

nitrousoxide52 · Jul 12, 2005, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BiGBrOwNPimpsta

exactly, i know too many muslims who say the exact same thing as you and me.

its fucking retarded how the states labels lebanon, syria etc terrorist states. their groups are not based in a country really, its all around the muslim world from indonesia to around egypt. fucked up peeps using allah as an excuse to kill. i don't go around telling people "Lord Krishna told me to punish anyone who disagrees with eating beef" thats your fucking problem if you eat it, i eat it even though im hindu so its my fucking problem. i have my faith and lets keep it to ourselves

Did you guys read that article in People I think it was? They talked to a suicide bomber, who was training to fulfill his mission. It seemed like he really did believe that his god, Allah, wanted him to kill as many "infidels" as possible

. Maybe they really believe that is what they are supposed to be doing. That or they are being brainwashed by their leaders.

Warpy · Jul 13, 2005, 03:44 AM

They are using religion as an excuse to justify their desire to kill.

ericdrum · Jul 14, 2005, 08:42 AM

Who cares about the history of Christianity? All I know is that right NOW, radical islamo-fascists are ready to kill anyone and everyone who disagrees. There are tons that are like this right NOW. I don't know many Christians (except for a small minority who can't organize themselves and do anything) who are spreading propaganda all over about killing every muslim. I don't see Christian websites on the web declaring jihad and there aren't Christian terrorist training camps all over the world. The last thing I fear in this world are the Christians. Until they starting suicide bombing people, they aren't on my radar. BTW Nitrous, I can't believe you care about christian kids songs! If you care about it just because it "brainwashes", you better start looking at every commercial jingle and all popular music because that's all about brainwashing you too.

And if you must insist on getting into historical aspects, you need to learn more about the Muslim religion. Don't paint the picture of their history as peachy. That's just plain ignorant. And the crusades weren't just dreamed up as a way to force religion down peoples throats. It had a lot more to do with the Christians fear of the spreading of other religions and those religions possibly destroying their way of life. I would venture to say that they recognized radical islamists back then and looked to take care of the problem with the sword. Maybe it wasn't so crazy after all. I don't know.

Warpy · Jul 15, 2005, 03:15 AM

Problem is, these stink'n muslims are everywhere and these little insects crawl out the woodwork with a very keen interest to exterminate anything that opposes their belief using massive damage. They need to be stepped on hard and there is no solution since the we don't even know were the enemy is.

SexPistoL · Jul 17, 2005, 08:13 PM

There is only one true religion......Jedi !
All the rest are barking mad, may the force be with you hehe

gatti-man · Aug 2, 2005, 02:35 AM

muslims need to stop their own, if muslim eleaders would be more active in disowning the radicals things might get better

Jul 11, 2005, 10:10 AM	#1
Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	Death Sentence for Apostates... (Muslims) I'm a little angry and you could say disgraced by the latest threats on London with bombings, with the intention of injecting fear into innocent men, women and children. The death sentence for blasphemy is quite frequent in the Islamic world. A silly writing by a sloppy reporter about a beauty pageant resulted into hundreds of death in Nigeria. While thugs on the street of Nigeria can be blamed for most of the killings, the local government did issue a death sentence on the reporter for blasphemy—insulting Prophet Muhammad. Similar death sentence on Salman Rushdie had drawn intense attention, and the recent case of blasphemy of a history professor, Hashem Aghajari, in Iran is getting lukewarm response around the globe. Prof. Aghajari did not insult God or the prophet; he merely remarked that the Shiite Muslims of Iran are not monkeys to blindly follow the clerics—a statement that invited intense ire of the clerics. These clerics have convinced the Muslims that a death sentence for apostasy or blasphemy is a law from God and decreed in the Qur’an. In turn, rest of the world considers such a barbaric law to be Islamic. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the history of Islam, the first recorded apostasy was during the time of Prophet Muhammad. Since he was illiterate, the prophet had obtained several scribes to write down the revealed messages of God in the form of Qur’an. One of the scribes in Madinah was Abdullah ibn Sa'ad ibn Abi Sarh. After being a Muslim and having spent time with Muhammad, Abdullah renounced the religion. This apostate was neither persecuted nor punished. Like most other religions, corrupt Islamic politicians and religious leaders tried to put words in God’s mouth to justify their acts. To validate corrupt man-made laws, people have distorted the verdicts of the Qur’an, or have attributed false statements to the prophet. Over a period, such man-made laws became part of Islamic teaching. 'Holy War (Jihad) means the conquest of all non-Muslim territories. It is possible that it may be declared after the formation of an Islamic government worthy of the name, under the direction of an imam or at his command. It will then be incumbent upon every able-bodied adult man to volunteer for this war of conquest, whose final goal is the domination of Qur'anic law from one end of the earth to the other.' 4 'Eleven things are unclean: urine, excrement, sperm, blood, a dog, a pig, bones, a non-Muslim man or woman, wine, beer, and perspiration of the camel that eats filth.' So my question is, should these people be allowed to live amongst us in our community, given their view and stand towards all non believers being worthy of death? __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Last edited by Warpy; Jul 11, 2005 at 11:19 AM.

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Jul 12, 2005, 04:22 AM	#6
Geminiwave I Have lovely Breasts Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: In the closet... Posts: 5,395 Rep Power: 63	you guys are crazy. This isnt islam. These are terrorists that are products of a certain region NOT a certain religion. Hell I was born and raised (for a fair while) in Oklahoma and I would bet that QUITE A FEW people in the small towns there could be terrorists given half a chance. Its a harsh enviornment where people are abused (and oklahoma people arent even abused as bad as people in the middle east) and thats going to create some crazies. Anyone who thinks that "something should be done about those muslims" is about as crazy as the terrorists. Something needs to be done about the TERRORISTS. NOT a certain organization that they subscribe to. If I'm a member of the Boyscouts and I go shoot down everyone in my school, does that mean people need to go after the boyscouts? absolutely not. They have NOTHING to do with eachother. All religions have their dark parts, and parts that you just have to swallow if you're part of that religion. That doesnt mean that the people in the religious organization are bad or terrorists or anything of the sort. __________________

Jul 12, 2005, 06:26 AM	#8
BiGBrOwNPimpsta HH's #1 Hustla and Pimp Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: The Dirty Dot Posts: 7,717 Rep Power: 107 System Specs	its a double sided blade, but IMO how many muslims view islam is absolutely wrong. i see those MOSTLY apparent in pakistanis, afghanis and somalians here. the shias also are much more extreme. muslims fight in a dirty way to us, but its their form of fighting. none of their countries is a legitimate millitary (yes millitary, not as a nation i note that's a whole different problem) super power like america, china or britain. they speak about cleansiness; their hygenic habits are atrocious. i support islam, but extremists hell no. the issue of muslims in palestines, yes that is legitimate IMO. I have too many muslim friends to name, but you know what sure they have an opinion about what is going on but need to look at the issue from both perspectives. that's what i mean but double edge blade. but when your religion (like almost all other ones) is built on peace and helping each other and you go ahead exploiting sections of the qu'ran to justify your retaliation is wrong. if you will fight, you will fight for your country. don't act like a fuckng retard screaming for allah the infidels etc. thinking this is some holy war because in this day and age america could care less to transform another country's religion. religion doesn't fuel society as much as it did when these ideas of islam (jihad etc.) were made, it is business and economy. that is why the us fights them and the muslims worldwide do need to calm the fuck down sometimes in various countries (i.e pakistan!). some stuff is unjustified, but it is the only way to retaliate. and all relgions have nutjobs, just more recently we see islam with more. a hindu extremists killed one of the biggest heroes of the world (gandhi), christians have been well known to go in to many territories and convert people through propoganda i would say, israel coming in tanks rolling over palestinian homes, invading their women's bodies, unrightfully detaining them. so if anyone does think it is islam that is wrong, think again all our religions have done fucked up shit and still do fucked up shit. and btw i am hindu if your wondering where my viewpoints is coming from. i know fecalmatter and stupid torro arent here so wont piss me off __________________ Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Music \| Logitech Z-5500 THX 5.1 Surround Sound Speakers \| 2 Lite-On 20x S-ATA Burners \| Logitech G700 Mouse \| Logitech MX5500 Bluetooth Keyboard

Jul 11, 2005, 02:20 PM	#4
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I must say that I'm open to religions but the way muslims are going, I don't mind people getting pissed off at them. They are completely bonkers. I was watching a thing on CNN about the islmaic world and it showed young boys reading their sacred book, nodding back in forth like in some trance... What's up with that? My religion is not much better but it ain't completely messed up like that! Genocide isn't "legal" and the modern world is not gonna start a war. Till the islamic fatallistic killers have gone to far, our world will do nothing. But soon, I'm sure it's going to be too much and a real modern religious war is going to begin. Normal people versus Xtreme religious people. And then the same with other religions... We can't act hostile cuz once we get rid of one guy, we will find the next also to extreme and do the whole thing all over again. Anyways, don't forget that the muslim relgion started 1200 years later than the Christian one and they need time to "mature". 1200 years ago, the Church was beheading anyone and everyone it could who opposed "God" or the "Pope". So yes, they are crazy those arabs with their tradations and if they get a real beating, I wouldn't be doing a anti-war protest but with time, everything will better

Jul 13, 2005, 03:44 AM	Thread Starter #12
Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	They are using religion as an excuse to justify their desire to kill. __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Jul 14, 2005, 08:42 AM	#13
ericdrum DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: The SLC Posts: 149 Rep Power: 0	Who cares about the history of Christianity? All I know is that right NOW, radical islamo-fascists are ready to kill anyone and everyone who disagrees. There are tons that are like this right NOW. I don't know many Christians (except for a small minority who can't organize themselves and do anything) who are spreading propaganda all over about killing every muslim. I don't see Christian websites on the web declaring jihad and there aren't Christian terrorist training camps all over the world. The last thing I fear in this world are the Christians. Until they starting suicide bombing people, they aren't on my radar. BTW Nitrous, I can't believe you care about christian kids songs! If you care about it just because it "brainwashes", you better start looking at every commercial jingle and all popular music because that's all about brainwashing you too. And if you must insist on getting into historical aspects, you need to learn more about the Muslim religion. Don't paint the picture of their history as peachy. That's just plain ignorant. And the crusades weren't just dreamed up as a way to force religion down peoples throats. It had a lot more to do with the Christians fear of the spreading of other religions and those religions possibly destroying their way of life. I would venture to say that they recognized radical islamists back then and looked to take care of the problem with the sword. Maybe it wasn't so crazy after all. I don't know. __________________ AMD Athlon 64 3500+ MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum nForce3 Ultra 2 gig Corsair XMS 3200 eVGA 6800 GT SB Audigy2 w/ KX Project Drivers 2-80 gig Western Digital SATA 7200 RAID 0 200 GB Seagate Barricuda 7200 for Storage Ultra Xconnect 500W Power Supply Windows XP SP2 Antec P160W case

Jul 15, 2005, 03:15 AM	Thread Starter #14
Warpy DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 2,761 Rep Power: 0	Problem is, these stink'n muslims are everywhere and these little insects crawl out the woodwork with a very keen interest to exterminate anything that opposes their belief using massive damage. They need to be stepped on hard and there is no solution since the we don't even know were the enemy is. __________________ The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."

Jul 17, 2005, 08:13 PM	#15
SexPistoL DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 604 Rep Power: 0	There is only one true religion......Jedi ! All the rest are barking mad, may the force be with you hehe

Aug 2, 2005, 02:35 AM	#16
gatti-man DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	muslims need to stop their own, if muslim eleaders would be more active in disowning the radicals things might get better