Lets take out Chavez!

Falstaff · Aug 23, 2005, 02:18 PM

Yep, only a matter of time before someone from the religious right used the media to express extreme predudice against a so called dictator.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/rob...vez/index.html
Now the religious leader expressed his views about President Chavez, and he is sticking to his guns, (no pun intended).

Ferdinand_L · Aug 23, 2005, 02:39 PM

So much for "thou shalt not kill". The Christian right is so bent on forcing the ten commandments to be posted in public places that they forgot to actually abide by them.

This kind of hypocritical idiot is exactly why organized religion gets a bad rap. And do you think any other prominant Christian leader will criticize such comments, as they have so readily demanded of Islamic leaders? Don't hold your breath.

Ferd-

Vikingod · Aug 23, 2005, 02:55 PM

Wow, thats pretty ballsy if you ask me. Not that i don't support state sponsored assassination (dont know much about Chavez, just in general), I agree it is cheaper and safer than starting a war, but for a televagelist to come out and say that is ballsy.
Its funny, the Cold War undertone to all this, very interesting.

AttroPheed · Aug 23, 2005, 08:00 PM

Damned evangelists. Most organizations have to hide their real agenda on the off chance that some people might second guess it. This nut has the added benefit of having an audience that already tosses aside reason and accountability for magic and ghosts. It's like FOX News without the voiceless token leftists.

Falstaff · Aug 24, 2005, 10:11 AM

Now the ambassodor for Venuzuela is calling for strong condemnation of Pat Robertsons stateennts as a demonstration of good will towards his country, so far there is no comment from the Bush Administration.

AttroPheed · Aug 24, 2005, 12:23 PM

What a world we live in where a tele-vangelist could be responsible for sparking a war.

BWX · Aug 24, 2005, 01:00 PM

He is just saying out loud what many people are thinking. I see no big deal. He is not a member of the government.. We have free speech and people can say anything they want.

Ferdinand_L · Aug 24, 2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BWX

He is just saying out loud what many people are thinking. I see no big deal. He is not a member of the government.. We have free speech and people can say anything they want.

Agreed, except that this man is supposed to be a man of God, a follower of the teachings of Jesus. Are you able to reconcile that?

Ferd-

BWX · Aug 24, 2005, 09:38 PM

No- he shouldn't be saying things like that.. I think he may just be getting a little too old. People lose it after a while. I think that is the case here because that is a very extreme statement.
I still think it is no big deal as far as the government of Venezuela goes because he is not a member of the government.

Falstaff · Aug 24, 2005, 10:17 PM

The scary thing is that just a hundred years ago, it didnt take too much to go to war with anyone....

swimtech · Aug 29, 2005, 12:42 AM

I think Pat should've known better...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Aug 29, 2005, 12:52 AM

What you guy you realise he said we should kill the one man and avoid
a full fledged war, like iraq or afganistan. So you picking on the man for
saying it wise to kill the one and save the lives of the many and avoid the
war all togester?

The same people that are picking on him pobubly thought we should
of assanated saddam and avoided the iraq war. lol

Falstaff · Aug 29, 2005, 03:12 AM

Rome is a mob...
the people that bitch the most about our foriegn policy couldnt negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag...

The_Neon_Cowboy · Aug 29, 2005, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Rome is a mob...
the people that bitch the most about our foriegn policy couldnt negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag...

BWX · Aug 29, 2005, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

What you guy you realise he said we should kill the one man and avoid
a full fledged war, like iraq or afganistan. So you picking on the man for
saying it wise to kill the one and save the lives of the many and avoid the
war all togester?

The same people that are picking on him pobubly thought we should
of assanated saddam and avoided the iraq war. lol

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWX

He is just saying out loud what many people are thinking.

Yup.

digerati · Aug 30, 2005, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

What you guy you realise he said we should kill the one man and avoid
a full fledged war, like iraq or afganistan. So you picking on the man for
saying it wise to kill the one and save the lives of the many and avoid the
war all togester?

The same people that are picking on him pobubly thought we should
of assanated saddam and avoided the iraq war. lol

A true Christian doesn't kill plain and simple. While many of us may agree with the kill one to save many it still isn't a Christian value.

Falstaff · Aug 30, 2005, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^_^

A true Christian doesn't kill plain and simple. While many of us may agree with the kill one to save many it still isn't a Christian value.

a true muslim or a true christian or a true Jew embraces peace, but they all must wear their armour and carry a sword just in case.

GOG · Aug 30, 2005, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

What you guy you realise he said we should kill the one man and avoid
a full fledged war, like iraq or afganistan. So you picking on the man for
saying it wise to kill the one and save the lives of the many and avoid the
war all togester?

The same people that are picking on him pobubly thought we should
of assanated saddam and avoided the iraq war. lol

Now I don't follow, why should you start a war if a president elected by democracy doesn't resign from his post? What the f*ck is wrong with you people?

The_Neon_Cowboy · Aug 30, 2005, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ^_^

A true Christian doesn't kill plain and simple. While many of us may agree with the kill one to save many it still isn't a Christian value.

So insted goinmg out and killing, mameing and many is? AS you'd want to preserve life wouldn't you?

Please tell me how one man
VS
20,000-6,000,000 lives and many many more mamed and wouned army
and civillians then dead. You'd shoot the one man and move on....wouldn't
even think much about it....

Imageing wer we would be today would a "young" hitler been tooken out.
I'm sure about 6 million jews and all those who died in WWII might be
alive today. Of course after a point, after time killing one man doesn't
change anything as the infection has already spread... Much how if you leg
were filled with infection, you'd lop it off to save the rest of the body. But
once it's spread it a done deal the removal of the limb doesn't save you.

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Originally Posted by GOG

Now I don't follow, why should you start a war if a president elected by democracy doesn't resign from his post? What the f*ck is wrong with you people?

The man is a "DICTATOR" unless you calling saddam
a democratically ellected preisdent lol

Alot the mans own people don't want him in power ...
the man anti-amercan and is acting against us defonatly
a growing threat to US intrests ...

to quote the man him self in a after the fact statment....

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Pat Robertson Clarifies His Statement Regarding Hugo Chavez

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., August 24, 2005--I want to take this opportunity to clarify remarks made on the Monday, August 22nd edition of The 700 Club where I adlibbed a comment following a very brilliant analysis by Dale Hurd of the danger that the United States faces from the out-of-control dictator of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez. In this story, Col. Chavez repeatedly claimed that Americans were “trying to assassinate him.”

In my frustration that the U.S. and the world community are ignoring this threat, I said the following:

Thanks, Dale. If you look back just a few years, there was a popular coup that overthrew him; and what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing; and as a result, within about 48 hours, that coup was broken, Chavez was back in power. But we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he’s going to make that a launching pad for communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent. I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination, but if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think we really ought to go ahead and do it. It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war, and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop. But this man is a terrific danger, and this is in our sphere of influence, so we can’t let this happen. We have the Monroe Doctrine, and we have other doctrines that we have announced, and without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability. We don’t need another 200-billion-dollar war to get rid of one strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.

Is it right to call for assassination? No, and I apologize for that statement. I spoke in frustration that we should accommodate the man who thinks the U.S. is out to kill him.

Col. Chavez has found common cause with terrorists such as the noted assassin Carlos the Jackal, has visited Iran reportedly to gain access to nuclear technology, and has referred to Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro as his comrades. Col. Chavez also intends to fund the violent overthrow of democratically elected governments throughout South America, beginning with neighboring Colombia.

As I report the news daily from around the world, I am acutely conscious of the fact that our nation is at war. Not only are there active wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but there is a war of terror being waged against civilized nations throughout the world.

We are in the midst of a war that is draining vast amounts of our treasure and is costing the blood of our armed forces. I am a person who believes in peace, but not peace at any price. However, I said before the war in Iraq began that the wisest course would be to wage war against Saddam Hussein, not the whole nation of Iraq. When faced with the threat of a comparable dictator in our own hemisphere, would it not be wiser to wage war against one person rather than finding ourselves down the road locked in a bitter struggle with a whole nation?

The brilliant Protestant theologian, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, who lived under the hellish conditions of Nazi Germany, is reported to have said:

“If I see a madman driving a car into a group of innocent bystanders, then I can’t, as a Christian, simply wait for the catastrophe and then comfort the wounded and bury the dead. I must try to wrestle the steering wheel out of the hands of the driver.”

On the strength of this reasoning, Bonhoeffer decided to lend his support to those in Germany who had joined together in an attempt to assassinate Adolf Hitler. Bonhoeffer was imprisoned and killed by the Nazis, but his example deserves our respect and consideration today.

There are many who disagree with my comments, and I respect their opinions. There are others who think that stopping a dictator is the appropriate course of action. In any event, the incredible publicity surrounding my remarks has focused our government’s attention on a growing problem which has been largely ignored.

other stuff releasting to him....

Quote:

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told thousands of visiting students that if U.S. forces were to invade the South American country, they would be soundly defeated.

The U.S. government has strongly denied Chavez's claims that it is considering military action against Cuba's closest ally in the Americas.

But Chavez said late Monday that the U.S. government, which "won't stop caressing the idea of invading Cuba or invading Venezuela," should be warned of the consequences.

"If someday they get the crazy idea of coming to invade us, we'll make them bite the dust defending the freedom of our land," Chavez said to applause.

He spoke during the opening ceremony of a world youth festival bringing together student delegations from across the world and convened under the slogan "Against Imperialism and War."

Chavez called the United States the "most savage, cruel and murderous empire that has existed in the history of the world."

The Venezuelan leader said "socialism is the only path," and told the students the collective goal is to "save a world threatened by the voracity of U.S. imperialism."

searching I find stuff like how he a dictator in the makeing
and how god awfully terrable the man is http://www.fightthebias.com/Resource...The_Making.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?fee...a-cardinal.xml
http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?JS...s_iv_ctrl=1021
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=5923
the mans political allies list people like Vedal casto

topics like: Hugo Chavez Dismantles Democracy in Venezuela

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CARACAS, Venezuela — Hugo Chavez , the left-wing leader who is moving toward totalitarian rule at home in Venezuela and backing guerrilla movements in the region, could become a test for the new Bush administration.
"I think we have to view, at this point, the government of Venezuela as a negative force in the region," said Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice during her confirmation hearings last month.

Venezuela is the world's fifth-largest oil producer; Chavez basically controls 15 percent of U.S. oil imports. He allegedly is taking billions of dollars in revenue to grease the way to one-man rule of a country with a 50-year history of democracy.

His critics say the government's use of its oil wealth threatens the region.

Venezuela's oil revenues subsidize food prices for the poor, although a large bottle of cooking oil can cost just pennies. The money generated from the $50-per-barrel cost also is being used to buy weapons such as 100,000 Kalashnikov rifles and 30 attack helicopters from the Russians. There also have been discussions about a possible $4 billion purchase of advanced MiG fighter jets.

One U.S. State Department official noted, "We shoot down MiGs."

Political science professor Anibal Romero called Chavez a "dangerous fellow, a confused person who is deeply anti-American and is prepared to do terrible things."

Oil also is sold at cut-rate prices to Cuba, which in exchange supplies doctors, teachers and military advisors to Venezuela. Chavez opponents say Cuban leader Fidel Castro is his model.

"Some people here are very worried about what's going to happen. … If you don't have rules or somebody who respects the rules, they can do whatever they want — they can be [another] Fidel Castro," said Baruta Mayor Henrique Capriles.

Neighboring Colombia has accused Chavez of supporting the Narco-terrorist organization Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) ([color=#0000ff]search[/color]), which is at war with the Colombian government. Other neighbors make similar accusations against the self-proclaimed "revolutionary."

"When you have a government in Latin America that's not willing to call the guerrilla groups 'terrorists,' that can tell you the way this government is being run," said Chacao Mayor Leopoldo Lopez.

The Path to Dictatorship

Violence has marked each step along Chavez's road to power.

The former paratrooper first tried to seize control by a coup in 1992; he failed and instead spent two years in jail. He later tried democracy and was elected as an outsider by Venezuelans six years later.

Chavez's opponents admit he is popular, especially among the poor. But being popular, they say, does not give the president the right to do whatever he wants. The police, military and armed thugs have been tools used freely by Chavez to hang on to power during a coup attempt and a national strike in 2002.

Now, buoyed by electoral victories and high oil prices, Chavez appears to be doing everything he can to snuff out democracy before the eyes of a nation and a world that does not seem to be paying much attention.

"The danger that we are facing as Venezuelans is the possibility of waking up and not having any of our liberties," Lopez said.

Chavez has packed the Supreme Court and the army with his supporters, seized control of the country's wealth and introduced a penal code that criminalizes dissent. Anyone who opposes him faces violence or prison.

"I spent 20 days without looking at the sun, the air, the sky," said Capriles, the Baruta mayor who was once thrown into solitary confinement for opposing Chavez.

Pictures showing violence against anti-Chavez protestors no longer are allowed to be shown on public or private Venezuelan television; the government claims it's protecting children from scenes of violence.

"Our own journalists don't know whether they can show whatever it is they are trying to cover," said Ana Christina Nunez, legal counsel for Globovision, the country's only 24-hour news channel.

But Chavez's program, "Hello, President," sometimes runs for six hours.

War Against Landowners

Chavez also is contributing to a growing rift between peasants and large landowners in Venezuela and pushing the idea that anyone can grow what they want on someone else's land.

Nerio Arias has been trying to grow melons for a year in Las Vegas, Venezuela, on land that has belonged to a British company for a century.

Spurred on by Chavez, who has declared war on large landowners, more than 1,000 of Venezuela's urban poor have set up bamboo shacks on fields used to graze cattle in a massive land-grab effort so they can try to raise their own products for income. The cattle fields are part of a farm that serves as the country's largest meat producer.

"Definitely it creates a climate of what is called legal insecurity," said Joaquin Roy, a professor at Miami University who said what's happening in Venezuela could be the first step of land takeovers that could threaten U.S. interests.

The cattle farm, however, is being threatened with bankruptcy and the farm manager has squatters moving into his backyard and doing what they want with the land.

"I live here with my family," manager Anthony Richards said. "This is our home. I've thought about moving my children out. It's in the back of my mind but I want to keep our family. I don't go around armed and I'm hoping people respect that."

The idea of poor people taking over private property and with the apparent help of local authorities is spreading fast across the country, which is making for some wary foreign investors.

It has already spread to some land belonging to a fence-making factory, where the rush is on to grab and build whatever you can while the rule of law has been suspended by Chavez.

Armed national guards have kept apart the landowners and peasants living on their land while a court controlled by the president determines whom the land belongs to. The law and what Chavez says are fast becoming one and the same in Venezuela.

"Chavez says I can have this land. Chavez says it's mine," said 75-year-old Arias.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,146472,00.html

the more you read abou the man the less you like this guy...
hes magor bad news all around. A ealry dictatorship that can
be stoped before he botches things up to horrably...(as in more
then he already has)

GOG · Aug 31, 2005, 07:55 PM

Last time I checked, Chavez got 56% of the votes in the election.

Here are some links from sites where the journalists are not living in a plastic bubble:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=230&row=2

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4155936.stm

http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1250

GOG · Aug 31, 2005, 08:03 PM

Botches things up? For whom? He wants to kick everything that's associated with USA out of his own country, what's wrong with that? He is only (as you americans use to put it) "taking care of the interests of his own country".

You have already started one war because of the oil, lets keep it that way, shall we? I don't think you'll slip away that easily the next time, and you can't fight the whole world.

Esaz666 · Aug 31, 2005, 08:19 PM

Chavez! must die, infact why stop at him ,nuke the whole country.. kill em all.!!!

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 1, 2005, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GOG

Last time I checked, Chavez got 56% of the votes in the election.

Here are some links from sites where the journalists are not living in a plastic bubble:

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=230&row=2
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4155936.stm
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1250

#1" writeen by Iain Bruce In Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela"
#2 " Katherine Harris calls Greg Palast, 'twisted and maniacle.' But Michael Moore calls his reporting for BBC television 'courageous.' And Noam Chomsky says: Greg Palast "upsets all the right people."
#3 "Ongoing News, Views and Analysis from Venezuela"
site logo even includes picture of chavez

two Venezuelan sources and one guy who michael more prases

The man has very close ties with Fidel Castro meeeting with people
Saddam Hussein in years past as a "dear guest" of Saddam Hussein.

Hes allied/ing him self with americas "enemy's".
He's been meddleing in the middle east.

The man is left-winger (like you?).. The man thinks americas
out to get him and is strongly anti-amerca.

The Venezuelan leader has also previously called Libya,
included in his itinerary "a model of participatory democracy."

history of protests from oppositions over alleged voting irregularities.
The term I'm seeing is elected "dictatorship"

"he is no stranger to controversy, as a self-styled revolutionary who frequently urges developing nations to unite and stand up to the industrialised powers. "

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Tens of thousands of Venezuelans have gathered on one of the main roads in the capital, Caracas, to demand the resignation of the country's president, Hugo Chavez.

The rally - intended to last 24 hours - was called in protest against a court decision to block a referendum on President Chavez's rule, which opponents say is dictatorial.

The protesters have accused Mr Chavez of behaving like a dictator and mismanaging the economy and have called on him to resign or call early elections.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2695179.stm

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They accuse Mr Chavez of being a dictator who has ruined the economy of this oil-rich country.

The opposition have been trying to get rid of Mr Chavez for more than two years, first in a failed coup, and then last year by organising a two-month long national strike.
That shut down Venezuela's oil industry and caused turmoil on international markets.

On Sunday President Chavez warned the United States that he would cut off supplies if they tried to intervene after the referendum. Venezuela is the fourth largest supplier of oil to the US.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3550494.stm

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For Venezuelans, Hugo Chavez is man who inspires extreme emotions.

Few are indifferent.

Put simply, people here either love him or they hate him. And it is those strong emotions that have come close to tearing this country apart.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GOG

Botches things up? For whom? He wants to kick everything that's associated with USA out of his own country, what's wrong with that? He is only (as you americans use to put it) "taking care of the interests of his own country".

You have already started one war because of the oil, lets keep it that way, shall we? I don't think you'll slip away that easily the next time, and you can't fight the whole world.

You probubly stood with the crowd that said saddam was awsome becouse
he had good health care for his people LOL. That i see on the "extremist"
freedon tv chanell with all thier other messed up stuff it shocking the stuff
they belive.

oil was but one of many, many factors regarding the iraq war. If saddam simply
complued with the UN resoultions, and the UN wasn't corrupted, then it would never
had been nessacary.

Chavez is a gowing "theat" to US interests and the
media is have a fiald day with the man

SFOSOK · Sep 1, 2005, 08:50 AM

Hey, my psycotic Christian mother watches that show. But I thought she was the only one. This guy is old, he is entitled to be dumb sometimes.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 1, 2005, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

Hey, my psycotic Christian mother watches that show. But I thought she was the only one. This guy is old, he is entitled to be dumb sometimes.

the guy isn't just about that Christian show, he does other thing including reporting
and so forth.he was Political guy before he got into starting the network even ran
for US president!!!

http://www.patrobertson.com/statesman/

he was in the millitary
http://www.patrobertson.com/militaryservice/

writer on political, social and spiritual issues
http://www.patrobertson.com/author/

and so forth.......................

SFOSOK · Sep 1, 2005, 09:03 AM

I know, my parents tried to raise me on Christian TV and told me the Simpsons and Power Rangers would make me violent. I probably know more bout that guy than u do : ). Also did you know (which u probably aready did) Mr. Rogers was a Vietnam Vet for the Marins and he wore long sleeves because he had tattoo's all over his arms.

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 1, 2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

I know, my parents tried to raise me on Christian TV and told me the Simpsons and Power Rangers would make me violent. I probably know more bout that guy than u do : ). Also did you know (which u probably aready did) Mr. Rogers was a Vietnam Vet for the Marins and he wore long sleeves because he had tattoo's all over his arms.

Power Rangers OMG! IMO that show is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. Defiantly rots your brain.
Simpsons are fine... I don't know a lot about the guy then what I’ve recently read other
then I used to get mad when the cartoons on a channel went off for his 700 club crap,
then later switched back to cartoons... when I was a kid

Falstaff · Sep 1, 2005, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Neon_Cowboy

Power Rangers OMG! IMO that show is R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. Defonatly rots your brain.
Simpson are fine... I don't know alot obut the guy then what i've recently read other
then I used to get mad when the cartoons on a channel went off for his 700 club crap,
then later swtiched back to cartoons... when i was a kid

Mike......where is your spell check..

The_Neon_Cowboy · Sep 1, 2005, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Falstaff

Mike......where is your spell check..

It’s on Vacation , I've got 50 zillion windows open ATM,
I'll keep it in mind when there is more free resources

AttroPheed · Sep 5, 2005, 06:00 PM

My sister used to work with a wierd chick whose holy-roller parents wouldnt let her watch power rangers because the show dealt with witchcraft and magic. Upon hearing this I just laughed and laughed. Later that night I sacrificed a goat to the spirit of the Pink Ranger.

Aug 23, 2005, 08:00 PM	#4
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Aug 24, 2005, 10:11 AM	Thread Starter #5
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Now the ambassodor for Venuzuela is calling for strong condemnation of Pat Robertsons stateennts as a demonstration of good will towards his country, so far there is no comment from the Bush Administration. __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Aug 24, 2005, 12:23 PM	#6
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Aug 24, 2005, 01:00 PM	#7
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	He is just saying out loud what many people are thinking. I see no big deal. He is not a member of the government.. We have free speech and people can say anything they want. __________________

Aug 24, 2005, 09:38 PM	#9
BWX unplugged Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: USNY Posts: 19,669 Rep Power: 110 System Specs	No- he shouldn't be saying things like that.. I think he may just be getting a little too old. People lose it after a while. I think that is the case here because that is a very extreme statement. I still think it is no big deal as far as the government of Venezuela goes because he is not a member of the government. __________________

Aug 23, 2005, 02:18 PM	#1
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Lets take out Chavez! Yep, only a matter of time before someone from the religious right used the media to express extreme predudice against a so called dictator. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/rob...vez/index.html Now the religious leader expressed his views about President Chavez, and he is sticking to his guns, (no pun intended). __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Aug 23, 2005, 02:39 PM	#2
Ferdinand_L DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 42 Rep Power: 0	So much for "thou shalt not kill". The Christian right is so bent on forcing the ten commandments to be posted in public places that they forgot to actually abide by them. This kind of hypocritical idiot is exactly why organized religion gets a bad rap. And do you think any other prominant Christian leader will criticize such comments, as they have so readily demanded of Islamic leaders? Don't hold your breath. Ferd-

Aug 23, 2005, 02:55 PM	#3
Vikingod Int'l Fish Liaison Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: By the light of lamp I sit and type... Posts: 16,197 Rep Power: 112 System Specs	Wow, thats pretty ballsy if you ask me. Not that i don't support state sponsored assassination (dont know much about Chavez, just in general), I agree it is cheaper and safer than starting a war, but for a televagelist to come out and say that is ballsy. Its funny, the Cold War undertone to all this, very interesting.

Aug 24, 2005, 10:17 PM	Thread Starter #10
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	The scary thing is that just a hundred years ago, it didnt take too much to go to war with anyone.... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Aug 29, 2005, 12:42 AM	#11
swimtech HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 4,040 Rep Power: 124 System Specs	I think Pat should've known better... __________________ It's not so much getting your way that matters or not - what matters is how you go about getting it.

Aug 29, 2005, 12:52 AM	#12
The_Neon_Cowboy HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 16,009 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	What you guy you realise he said we should kill the one man and avoid a full fledged war, like iraq or afganistan. So you picking on the man for saying it wise to kill the one and save the lives of the many and avoid the war all togester? The same people that are picking on him pobubly thought we should of assanated saddam and avoided the iraq war. lol __________________ Last edited by The_Neon_Cowboy; Aug 29, 2005 at 04:07 AM.

Aug 29, 2005, 03:12 AM	Thread Starter #13
Falstaff Old Codger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: USAFA Posts: 19,048 Rep Power: 207	Rome is a mob... the people that bitch the most about our foriegn policy couldnt negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag... __________________ "Inspiration is always a surprising visitor."

Aug 31, 2005, 07:55 PM	#20
GOG Please answer the voices in my head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	Last time I checked, Chavez got 56% of the votes in the election. Here are some links from sites where the journalists are not living in a plastic bubble: http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=230&row=2 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4155936.stm http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/articles.php?artno=1250

Aug 31, 2005, 08:03 PM	#21
GOG Please answer the voices in my head Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 308 Rep Power: 0	Botches things up? For whom? He wants to kick everything that's associated with USA out of his own country, what's wrong with that? He is only (as you americans use to put it) "taking care of the interests of his own country". You have already started one war because of the oil, lets keep it that way, shall we? I don't think you'll slip away that easily the next time, and you can't fight the whole world. Last edited by GOG; Aug 31, 2005 at 08:06 PM. Reason: oops, sorry for the two posts, pushed the wrong button

Aug 31, 2005, 08:19 PM	#22
Esaz666 BeardHeaven Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Uk,Earth,Universe,3rd dimention Posts: 298 Rep Power: 59	Chavez! must die, infact why stop at him ,nuke the whole country.. kill em all.!!!

Sep 1, 2005, 08:50 AM	#24
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Hey, my psycotic Christian mother watches that show. But I thought she was the only one. This guy is old, he is entitled to be dumb sometimes. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 1, 2005, 09:03 AM	#26
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I know, my parents tried to raise me on Christian TV and told me the Simpsons and Power Rangers would make me violent. I probably know more bout that guy than u do : ). Also did you know (which u probably aready did) Mr. Rogers was a Vietnam Vet for the Marins and he wore long sleeves because he had tattoo's all over his arms. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 5, 2005, 06:00 PM	#30
AttroPheed DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Paris Posts: 386 Rep Power: 0	My sister used to work with a wierd chick whose holy-roller parents wouldnt let her watch power rangers because the show dealt with witchcraft and magic. Upon hearing this I just laughed and laughed. Later that night I sacrificed a goat to the spirit of the Pink Ranger. __________________ "Facts seldom interfere with belief." - James Randi "Where knowledge ends, superstition begins." - Some Guy "A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence." - David Hume [COLOR=red]Flying Spaghetti Is Lord!![/COLOR] My PC Stats