Falstaff

I think this should be a trend really and get the slimy bastards off the streets and out of the lives of people.
Life imprisonment, Stiff fines, Death or Hard Labor....get the drugs off the streets.....
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html

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Amen

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dj_stick

I was wondering when this would come up - it's been pretty big in the news over here

too much hype for what it is

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Vikingod

i agree with you jeff, the money wasted on fighting all this shit, and all it would really take is just to kill a few of the bastards, then many less people would sell it. Of course, you wont see that in the US any time soon, but it is a nice thought.

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Falstaff

What pisses me off is that in Afghanistan during the Taliban regime, only 4000 tons of Heroin was smuggled out of there, now after several years of occupation they estimate that 30,000 tons is smuggled annually. Thanks to the CIA paying off the warlords (druglords) the political stability is less of a concern but our streets are flooded with nasty brown mexican herion and the domestic Afghan variety.
The war on drugs has taken second fiddle to the war against terrorism as well, regardless of what you read in the papers, so people like that poor bastard that was hung in Singapore for his crimes against humanity are finding new and unique solutions to getting their product out of the countries where they are grown and into our childrens arms.
I am deeply disappointed in the Bush Administration's posture on the war on drugs and consider it lip service to the constiuents like myself that voted for him.
The war in Afghanistan and IRAQ has cost more than just American lives, it has created oppurtunities for Tribal leaders in both countries to prosper off of the traditional Opium and weapons smuggling markets, and who pays for this?

WE DO!!!!!

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riles9262

Don't they have these types of drug laws in asia? Mainly, china and japan? From what I remember, they seem to keep the smuggling down.

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TurboGLH

You should toss in Cigarette companies and Spirits producers as well. I can only think of two reasons that you would be oppsed to the sale/use of drugs.

1) The effect on the people using it, and since both cigarettes and alcohol are directly related to a large number of deaths each year (not counting the indirect damage of drunk driving and second hand smoke) they should also be illegal and the sale and distribution of them should also be punishable by death. But that won't happen, because there's a large chance that one or more of the people who replied to this thread smoke and/or drink and you wouldn't want to give up your vices. Lets be clear on this ALCOHOL AND NICOTINE ARE DRUGS! Don't get sanctimonious about this and try and seperate them from other drugs, even the illegal variety.


2) The increased crime rate the is associated with the distribution of drugs. During prohibition the foundation for organized crime was layed out due to the large profits that could be made from the sale and distribution of alcohol. Whats the crime rate associated with alcohol sales today? Aside from the occasional liquor store robbery, how about none? You could put a dent into, the crime rate, the deficit and provide a relief for every police force in the country.

You legalize drugs like you do cigs and alcohol, minimun age, no driving under the influence etc. Yes I know, people drive drunk and drink/smoke underage but we punish those we catch and we certainly don't outlaw smoking and drinking because kids smoke and assholes get behind the wheel after a bender.

e!i

The death penalty as a deterant has never worked, it also has the unfortunate habit of murdering innocent people, most unfortunate you fail to grasp these facts.

Rasta Monsta

The best way to get banned substances out of the hands of thugs on the street corner is to end prohibition.

<-dons flame suit

rasta

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Falstaff

I dont even have to tell you what I think of any pro-drug legislation....

TurboGLH

I know this is only going to start a battle but, why? I'd like to here some real reasons that you oppose pro-drug legsislation. Please take a look at my post earlier and feel free to rebut my arguements, but lets try and keep it as civil as is possible in this scenario.

Rasta Monsta

Well, Jeff, I am sure you have heard this before, but all you have to do is look at the violence and crime surrounding alcohol prohibition, which ended with the end of prohibition.

We can't stop people from taking drugs, we might as well have them do it on OUR terms.

rasta

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SFOSOK

Thing is, when you start legalizing Marijuana other drugs with follow the same trend. Everything will become completely legal at some point. What we don't need is anymore drugged up morons. No offense to those of you who are pro-drugs and such. Life is shitty for everyone at some point or even all the time, but people get by.

There should not be any middle ground in this area. People are too scared to actually stick up for what they believe is right anymore so they compromise so there are not any problems. Destroy all the illegal drugs and destroy all or those who are responisible for putting it in the hands of kids. Back in High school I hung around the biggest pot heads I had ever seen. They would always try to pressure me into smokin and I said no every single time. I didn't want to be a complete moron. If you have no self control you are nothing till you regain it.


The problem with prohibition was that it was a freedom we already had and it was taken away. Drugs are not a freedom we have, nor should we ever have. I would have to say that if you smoke MJ or any drug you are selfish. Think of the reason you do it then you may understand, or you may not.




All in all


Drugs are bad for you

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TurboGLH

See thats where I disagree, all drugs WERE legal, until they were made not so. This country didn't start out with a clause at the end of the constitution that stated "pot, X, coke, heroin or any derivative will be illegal"

We had the freedom to smoke marijuana and opium, snort cocaine and take ectasy until the goverment decided as each one became popular that it was in the best interest of the people taking them to make them illegal. Nobody makes you take a drink or smoke a cigarette, you can choose to do so of your own free will. If you decide to get completely wasted one weekend in your house, and you don't drive, nobody is going to arrest you. The same laws that apply to the currently legal drugs, should apply to all. You place limits on amounts (example: BAC when driving), age (21), amount (number of pills, oz's etc) and you regulate and tax the shit out of it. Make it safer for the people who enjoy them, while reducing crime and helping with the federal budget.

Why say that anyone who choose's to use drugs is obviously trying to escape something, and that they should find a better way to deal with their problems. Do you assume that everyone who likes to drink is doing so to escape? I don't, catagorizing people like that only makes you look ignorant.

Don't try to lump all drugs into one "BAD UmKAY" catagory. The legal ones are not any good for you either, but you don't have issues with their use.

I have two personal rules.

1. I don't every do anything that can be addicting, including cigarettes

2. I don't do anything if it's for any reason other than enjoyment. Same as going out and having a drink with my friends. I don't get drunk to hide from my life and I don't do drugs to either.

It's simple, the people who are unable to deal with the issues in their lives will avoid those issues in any number of manners. The issue is them, not the method.

I would like to know if you place all social drinkers as well as smokers in the catagory of selfish? If not, why? Their consumptions obviously benefits only them. I'm not a selfish person because I choose to do drugs. I enjoy the effect they have, just as I enjoy the effect that alcohol has.

TurboGLH

It's been a while, but I'm bumping so that the people who posted extremist views and then refused to defend them can have another shot. Come on guys, let's see some rationalization.

SFOSOK

lol drugs are not prohibited because they never were legal in the first place. Kill em all I say, sad wastes of life.

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@Green Death Flavor: with a Brain like yours, it really doesn´t matter wether you take drugs or not. I´d advise you to give it a try, though: matters obviously can only improve.
@Fallstaff: you seem to have some braincells but obviously you´re determined not to use them. Let me feed some of them, then: ANY law that restricts the personal freedom of any individual must have a reason. A bloody good one at that. If you disagree to that, you might as well subscribe to tyranny. Now, we have drugs that are highly addictive and costly to society (no1: nicotine). We all pay for those lung cancer victims in the end. And they ARE expensive. Next, we have drugs that are socially enforced and lower productivity (again, we all pay) but you hardly can get by without them (try staying t-total on your next party). Now, there seems to only be one way or the other:

a) ban all drugs that have any impact on the people not using then (=cost them money): alcohol, coffee, fags - in short: everything. The model of a benevolent society. Only, it won´t take long until someone realizes: "wait, there´s some sports as well were people foolishly risk their health: mountain climbing, cycling, football...you name it. Well, they´re doing plainly crazy stuff and we have to pay for their injuries." => ban these sports as well. Ban driving. I assume, this is the sane society you´d like to live in.

b) legalize the whole rigmarole and let society itself deal with it. While consuming alcohol is almost a social necessity, being completely hammered is regarded as ridiculous and humiliating. Now, if taking heroine wasn´t considered cool and outlawish - would anyone really care about the stuff? and if so, being incapable of uttering anything decent (as you guys when you´re sober!) and falling about will not pass for being respectable in any society. So the whole thing would sort itself out just by peer pressure.

About the superior position you claim for sobriety (=not escaping from "reality" etc): 20mg of LSD in your favoured drink will teach you about the relativity of the term "reality". Cheers!

SFOSOK

You can try to insult me if you wish, I really don't care at this point about personal insults. It only shows how weak of an arguement you have by having to resort to it.


Drugs are not a personal freedom as it was never Legal in the first place. Drug dealers should die, end of story. I don't care much bout the whole drug issue. But drug dealers should be given a choice, stop, or get shot. If they stop then continue later they should be shot.

Legalizing drugs would be the worst mistake. Maybe not in European contries but I believe it would attribute to a social downfall of Society.



Give me a good example how drugs make Society a better place?

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ALL drugs were legal in the US prior to 1914 (if I remember the date correctly). Virtually all of the 'Patent' medicines contained cocain, opium, or heroin.

This included various salves that women used for teething babies. Laudnum was a mixture of alcohol and opium. There was no 'drug problem'. Yes, some people were addicted, but the actual percentage wasn't very high, and very few died from overdose. It's actually pretty hard to OD on any of the 'pure' opiates. The cause of the vast majority of 'drug overdoses' comes from what the drugs are 'cut' with, not the drug itself.

John Hopkins, one of the most famous surgeons of all times, was a heroin addict, and routinely operated while 'high'. He did so LEGALLY, since he and others like him were 'grandfathered' under the 1914 leglislation that started this whole drug fiasco in the first place.

Drugs are not 'evil', but the way in which they are abused is, and that 'abuse' extends to the way law enforcement treats them as well as the 'drug dealers/users' of today.

Just so you know, I grew up in the 60's at the beginning of the new 'drug revolution', but never got into it. I did try weed a couple of times, maybe 6-7 at most, and while it was 'ok', it was still illegal, and that is the ONLY reason I didn't use regularly. Also, I DIDN'T turn in tho the 'crazed ax murderer' that the anti-drug movie "Reefer Madness" claimed I would.

Even if they would legalize drugs today, I doubt that I would use them, but I really beleive that the cure for the drug 'problem' is legalization and regulation. That would do 3 things. The drugs would be CHEAPER. They would be free of dangerous and sometimes lethal contaminates. And the government would get additional $$ in taxes, while at the same time save additional $$ from not having to use them in the futile 'war on drugs'.

Now, if drugs were legalized/regulated tomorrow, we WOULD have a problem with people going 'hog wild', and we should expect that. But that would be short term and in the end, drugs would not be a problem for us just they weren't a problem prior to 1914.

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Alien1

And that's another fine solution from the guy
Kill em all you say

Such a fine Emperor like yourself knows how to critisize other people and other countries and to decide who lives in these world and who dies

But as you said a life is a life right ??
especially after your idea of the invasion of Iran for saving their poor girls from Irans law and their poor souls.......

and now your next sollution:

everyone that has drugs in their hands must die, because they are just a waste for you.
Who is next the crippled ??


I am really starting to enjoy some of your posts...because you are such a hypocrite acting that you really give a f* for doing some "good"

You should start a career as a politician next to Bush and his republic party
Your ideas about of rightness, justice and of what is black and what is white are similar

Who knows maybe some (at least in where you live) believes you that you really care so much for people and doing the good

Good luck

Sandok

Prison is enough... Do drugs sure but drug smugglers are just the worst kind of people usually... And honestly, what's the point of drugs? Can't get off normally?

Sad waste of money

xthecreep

what realy bothers me is that most!! rock band members uses it.
its realy a pitty, cause lot of people including me, look up to them.
disapointing realy.

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TurboGLH

Kind of funny thing there. Yes they were. Cocaine, marijuana and opium were all legal until the 20th century. Do some research first before you run your mouth.

Sandok

But before we didn't know the consequences... Men became more intelligent and saw the dangers. But hell, if you want to live old fashioned and discredit de dangers, be my guest

SFOSOK

I truthfully can't blame the people who use drugs, though they pretty much become a waste when they are on drugs still I can understand their reason for doin drugs. Most of my friends resisted peer presure only to be caught in the face my some truelly horrible problems in which they could only deal with it by using drugs and alcohol.

Still Drug dealers, Smugglers, and anyone who has a part in the creation and distribution of illegal substances should be given life or the death penalty. People who add fuel to the fire are not exactly helping. Most of the guys I know who dealt drugs would be in jail for a couple days then out on the streets selling drugs again. And this has happened many times. Also the age of drug use is getting signifacantly less each year. I've heard reports of junior high and elementary kids getting into it, now that is scary. I believe our youth is goin to waste : (

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