Sony's strategy

SFOSOK · Sep 27, 2006, 09:49 PM

Looking back at the past month or so Sony has leaked nothing but bad news. Not even one shread of good news.

Of course on the surface it looks like they have no clue what they are doin but I think a multi-billion $ company is smarter than that. What I think they might be trying to do is release every bit of bad news they find. Then I think you will see a sort of silence or lack of info on the PS3. Then bam, a slew of ads, news articles, tests, comparison's and just about everything you can think of. I think they are getting all of this stuff out of the way first because they know they can't keep the PS3 hyped up from now till christmas (especially in the US) with the xbox 360 already released. People have a way of forgeting things after a while and I think Sony in the end will capitalize on that.

I dunno, maybe its all giberish and you all already knew this but my main point is the release of the imformation we are getting now is a psycological attack on the market to make their product look soo much better and improved when it is about to hit that market.

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Sep 27, 2006, 10:18 PM

Sony is very good at creating hype for thier products, especially when it comes to the Plastation brand. Whether its mostly bad news or not, its not a good thing when poeple aren't talking about your product. All you see are headlines regarding PS3 so obviously the mere mention of it creates alot of site traffic. I don't think Sony is as dumb as people are making them out to be, I mean they are basically betting the farm on the PS3.

TheBlackCat · Sep 28, 2006, 12:09 AM

I am not sure I agree. Sure if Sony was releasing the PS3 first, that strategy might work. But remember, the Xbox 360 is already out. If they make themselves look bad, and they are, then that mostly likely will lead people to buy a 360 now. Once one is purchased, due to the price, it is much less likely someone wil buy the other.

Every person who was going to buy a PS3 has only a certain amount of problems they are willing to tolerate. If things get bad enough there is not a person on the planet who would buy a PS3. This point is different for each person. Every bit of bad news makes the PS3 look a little worse and quite possibly drives certain people who have reached there limit to buy a Xbox 360. Even if thing suddently turn around at the launch, there will be people who have already spent the money they had allocated for a next-gen system on the Xbox 360. These people will not buy a PS3, since they simply do not have the money. Also remember that the Wii is launching at roughly the same time as the PS3 but with far more units, and is launching way before the PS3 in Europe. How good the PS3 will look at launch is also partially dependent on how many units they can get out. Far insufficient supply will likely drive more potential buyers to the competetion.

This wouldn't be a problem if Sony was launching well ahead of its competitors, which it did with both the PS and PS2. People would have no atlernative to turn to. But they aren't this time, they are launching towards the back, and they can't afford to drive potential buyers towards their competitors, especially with the extremely high price making the purchase of multiple consoles very difficult.

Customgamer1 · Sep 28, 2006, 02:06 AM

TheBlackCat I agree with you. For people in the states 400,000 units is next to nothing so even if you figure they can pump out another 100,000 in december thats really only 500,000 units that people could get before xmas. To me thats not a lot. I would think 400,000 could easily go to just one big state?

Like people saw with the 360 the ps3 running last and with a small amount of units on the way they better be perfect units and not have any problems with heat/read errors or anything else that can cause problems for the ps3. People should and I think will expect a perfect product since Sony could learn from the 360 and make sure they don't mess it up. I mean if I buy a computer part for $600 and lets say it's a video card and it has problems I would be pissed and return it until I get a perfect one. I have a feeling that Sony fans who get a bad unit might have to wait a while before they get a new ps3 if they just don't have any to ship out? I would be pissed if I had to wait weeks for my new unit or video card?

I really wounder if Sony will have a strong launch with the amount of units they ship.

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Sep 28, 2006, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBlackCat

I am not sure I agree. Sure if Sony was releasing the PS3 first, that strategy might work. But remember, the Xbox 360 is already out. If they make themselves look bad, and they are, then that mostly likely will lead people to buy a 360 now. Once one is purchased, due to the price, it is much less likely someone wil buy the other.

Every person who was going to buy a PS3 has only a certain amount of problems they are willing to tolerate. If things get bad enough there is not a person on the planet who would buy a PS3. This point is different for each person. Every bit of bad news makes the PS3 look a little worse and quite possibly drives certain people who have reached there limit to buy a Xbox 360. Even if thing suddently turn around at the launch, there will be people who have already spent the money they had allocated for a next-gen system on the Xbox 360. These people will not buy a PS3, since they simply do not have the money. Also remember that the Wii is launching at roughly the same time as the PS3 but with far more units, and is launching way before the PS3 in Europe. How good the PS3 will look at launch is also partially dependent on how many units they can get out. Far insufficient supply will likely drive more potential buyers to the competetion.

This wouldn't be a problem if Sony was launching well ahead of its competitors, which it did with both the PS and PS2. People would have no atlernative to turn to. But they aren't this time, they are launching towards the back, and they can't afford to drive potential buyers towards their competitors, especially with the extremely high price making the purchase of multiple consoles very difficult.

Well A; the 360 is selling no better than the xbox did in its first year and the 360 has zero next gen competition B;your wrong the PSX came out after its competition the Saturn dropped first and failed in the end and the Dreamcast dropped before the PS2 and failed as did its other competition, it has out sold the xbox and gamecube by a 5 to 1 margin each C; you fail to realize that the ps2 face the same criticism as the PS3 is now, it was supposed to be difficult to program for, it was first to be out of the box next gen movie player etc...

SFOSOK · Sep 28, 2006, 03:07 AM

no, what your saying makes no sense blackcat. What I think is they are trying to indirectly compete with the 360 because they are not releasing any good info right now. If they were directly competing with Microsoft they would release all info good or bad instead of getting all the bad out of the way. I dunno its just how I feel about it.

Sony knows most consumers will forget about all the things that have mentioned in that past when launch comes around. You will see a slew of info + ads right before the launch. The bad news won't be current news so it won't be released again around launch. Therefore it is not hitting Microsoft head on by saying this is better than this and this is why (because they know they will lose).

Also, exciuse my typing I have my right arm all strapped up and can only type with one hand.

Also, I think Sony has some tricks up their sleeve

YAYitsAndrew · Sep 28, 2006, 03:50 AM

Because of the price, no interesting exclusives, and no details for their online strategy this late in the game, my roommates and I went out and bought an xbox360 a month ago.

We're living proof of theblackcat's post.

BiGBrOwNPimpsta · Sep 28, 2006, 05:43 AM

too much info has been released about it, its analyzed too much. things go sour then

Necrosis · Sep 28, 2006, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbytomorow

Well A; the 360 is selling no better than the xbox did in its first year and the 360 has zero next gen competition B;your wrong the PSX came out after its competition the Saturn dropped first and failed in the end and the Dreamcast dropped before the PS2 and failed as did its other competition, it has out sold the xbox and gamecube by a 5 to 1 margin each C; you fail to realize that the ps2 face the same criticism as the PS3 is now, it was supposed to be difficult to program for, it was first to be out of the box next gen movie player etc...

PS2 did not have the same negatives as the PS3 does, not even close. Just because Sony did well with the PSX & PS2 doesn't mean they'll do well with the PS3. The curse of the third console is upon them. I know quite a few PS2 die-harders buying 360s because of the bad press.

SFOSOK · Sep 28, 2006, 08:25 AM

I'm not defending Sony's actions, just trying to look a little deaper into it. Mostly I'm refering to Japan's market.

pr0digal jenius · Sep 28, 2006, 08:34 AM

they don't stand a chance....Nintendo finalized pricing and packaging.

$250 - Wii, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Wii Sports [original estimates of $215 didn't include the nunchuck]...and at <$10 for virtual console games, and $30-60 for wii titles....nintendo wins...and well, leakign ti now on purpose or not...unless they are LYING and makign up bad news...sony is sunk

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Sep 28, 2006, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pr0digal jenius

they don't stand a chance....Nintendo finalized pricing and packaging.

$250 - Wii, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Wii Sports [original estimates of $215 didn't include the nunchuck]...and at <$10 for virtual console games, and $30-60 for wii titles....nintendo wins...and well, leakign ti now on purpose or not...unless they are LYING and makign up bad news...sony is sunk

Thats what I'm talking about, make me feel like a kid again Nintendo

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Sep 28, 2006, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Necrosis

PS2 did not have the same negatives as the PS3 does, not even close.

That simply isn't true, if you like I could link to a hundred articles from the PS2 launch that heavily critisised it for being difficult to develop for, over priced, lack of killer apps, and its massive shortages at launch. Don't you remember people paying $1000+ for a PS2 at launch? And that was what, 6 years ago?

here is one from wired:http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41012,00.html

Like I said I can link alot more if you want.

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The curse of the third console is upon them.

Beleiving in a "curse" is just plain silly in my opinion. I mean come on, you must really hate Sony to even be saying that lol.

I agree they have an uphill battle and I also don't think they are going to dominate the market like they have the past two gens but they are far from sunk. The PS brand has sold in excess of 200 million units, and at the rate the 360 is selling now (the same rate the xbox sold in its first year) I don't think there are a shit load of people jumping ship just yet.

SFOSOK · Sep 28, 2006, 09:18 AM

u mean charging 60$ for games (n64) ; )

pr0digal jenius · Sep 28, 2006, 09:25 AM

Naw, Wii games are confirmed to average out to $50 just like gamecube, while PS3 games aren't finalized, the guy at the store told me they've been tellign people to fully expect $60, and for certain titles, upwards fo $80

TheBlackCat · Sep 28, 2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbytomorow

That simply isn't true, if you like I could link to a hundred articles from the PS2 launch that heavily critisised it for being difficult to develop for, over priced, lack of killer apps, and its massive shortages at launch. Don't you remember people paying $1000+ for a PS2 at launch? And that was what, 6 years ago?

You are forgetting they had no competition at launch. Unless you cound Sega, which had shot itself in the foot with the 32x vs. Saturn fiasco and was already dead in the water. With the PS and PS2 you are looking at inferior hardware that launched well before its competition. The PS3 is superior hardware (to a debatable extent) that launched after its competition. The only experience Sony has with that situation is the PSP, and we all know how that went.

The PS2 may have been overpriced, but it was not $600. No console in that price range has ever succeeded, at least not since the crash. And it wasn't betting everything on a media format that may or may not succeed (DVD had no real competition). And it wasn't virtually identical in most ways to a console that was already out (once again excluding the already failed Saturn). And it wasn't launching side-by-side with a console with a much lower price point, a unique interface, far more hype and overwhelmingly positive press vs. Sony's overwhelming negative, and far more units available. This is not a situation that can be compared to previous Sony launches. Some of the same criticism might have been present at other launches, but not to same the degree as with the PS3 and the stiff competition simply was not there at previous launches. Sega's competiton since the 16-bit days has been anything but stiff.

***craig5320*** · Sep 28, 2006, 10:17 AM

The Wii pre-orders are $340 here in the UK, with just Sports and the two remoted thingys, The PS3 60GB Version with 3 Games is $1035!!!! Yes that's $1035!!!!

And you've gotta remember they're not even giving it to us until March, they've taken down all their advertisiing boards in my area and replaced them with PSP adverts, lmao.

Who ever Bill has photos of, they must be doing something really, really bad. rofl.

YAYitsAndrew · Sep 28, 2006, 01:23 PM

I had a funny thought the other day, for a paltry 600 * 500,000 USD (300 mil) microsoft could buy every ps3 from the first shipment (or as many as they can get their hands on) and effectively delay the launch of the ps3.

They could do it with the Wii as well since they're so cheap, but the Wii isn't really competing in the same space.

BlueMak · Sep 28, 2006, 02:33 PM

MS could pro buy Nintendo I think.

Necrosis · Sep 28, 2006, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbytomorow

That simply isn't true, if you like I could link to a hundred articles from the PS2 launch that heavily critisised it for being difficult to develop for, over priced, lack of killer apps, and its massive shortages at launch. Don't you remember people paying $1000+ for a PS2 at launch? And that was what, 6 years ago?

here is one from wired:http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41012,00.html

Like I said I can link alot more if you want.

Beleiving in a "curse" is just plain silly in my opinion. I mean come on, you must really hate Sony to even be saying that lol.

I agree they have an uphill battle and I also don't think they are going to dominate the market like they have the past two gens but they are far from sunk. The PS brand has sold in excess of 200 million units, and at the rate the 360 is selling now (the same rate the xbox sold in its first year) I don't think there are a shit load of people jumping ship just yet.

You may have me on the article part but a few points.

1. No one has had a successful third console launch.

2. Yes, I do hate Sony.

3. Just because doesn't mean some thing will always be successful.

4. Most people are waiting for PS3 to be released and/or don't have HDTVs to access the quality.

TheBlackCat · Sep 28, 2006, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueMak

MS could pro buy Nintendo I think.

Tried and failed.

ekinlegend · Sep 29, 2006, 02:26 AM

Pretty sure many people will buy both, PS usually have better games anyways.

~~bobbytomorow~~ · Sep 29, 2006, 08:28 AM

No stop saying that. Sony will win!!! I hate you all!!!

MiDri · Sep 29, 2006, 02:46 PM

I did some reading and found out that the PS3 will actully be less powerfull then the Xbox360, due to the fact their 6core's are optimized for "special purpose" code instead of generic code like the Xbox360's 3 cores are. Look up an example of the AI for Assassin's Creed to find out more about this.

Customgamer1 · Sep 29, 2006, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueMak

MS could pro buy Nintendo I think.

MS should buy Sony!!! lol now that would be crazy

Sep 27, 2006, 09:49 PM	#1
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Sony's strategy Looking back at the past month or so Sony has leaked nothing but bad news. Not even one shread of good news. Of course on the surface it looks like they have no clue what they are doin but I think a multi-billion $ company is smarter than that. What I think they might be trying to do is release every bit of bad news they find. Then I think you will see a sort of silence or lack of info on the PS3. Then bam, a slew of ads, news articles, tests, comparison's and just about everything you can think of. I think they are getting all of this stuff out of the way first because they know they can't keep the PS3 hyped up from now till christmas (especially in the US) with the xbox 360 already released. People have a way of forgeting things after a while and I think Sony in the end will capitalize on that. I dunno, maybe its all giberish and you all already knew this but my main point is the release of the imformation we are getting now is a psycological attack on the market to make their product look soo much better and improved when it is about to hit that market. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 28, 2006, 12:09 AM	#3
TheBlackCat DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Searching for the Candle in the Dark Posts: 567 Rep Power: 0	I am not sure I agree. Sure if Sony was releasing the PS3 first, that strategy might work. But remember, the Xbox 360 is already out. If they make themselves look bad, and they are, then that mostly likely will lead people to buy a 360 now. Once one is purchased, due to the price, it is much less likely someone wil buy the other. Every person who was going to buy a PS3 has only a certain amount of problems they are willing to tolerate. If things get bad enough there is not a person on the planet who would buy a PS3. This point is different for each person. Every bit of bad news makes the PS3 look a little worse and quite possibly drives certain people who have reached there limit to buy a Xbox 360. Even if thing suddently turn around at the launch, there will be people who have already spent the money they had allocated for a next-gen system on the Xbox 360. These people will not buy a PS3, since they simply do not have the money. Also remember that the Wii is launching at roughly the same time as the PS3 but with far more units, and is launching way before the PS3 in Europe. How good the PS3 will look at launch is also partially dependent on how many units they can get out. Far insufficient supply will likely drive more potential buyers to the competetion. This wouldn't be a problem if Sony was launching well ahead of its competitors, which it did with both the PS and PS2. People would have no atlernative to turn to. But they aren't this time, they are launching towards the back, and they can't afford to drive potential buyers towards their competitors, especially with the extremely high price making the purchase of multiple consoles very difficult. __________________ [color=#000000]There is always an easy solution to every human problem—neat, plausible and wrong.[/color] -H. L. Mencken

Sep 28, 2006, 02:06 AM	#4
Customgamer1 Fell off the tech wagon Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 2,273 Rep Power: 72 System Specs	TheBlackCat I agree with you. For people in the states 400,000 units is next to nothing so even if you figure they can pump out another 100,000 in december thats really only 500,000 units that people could get before xmas. To me thats not a lot. I would think 400,000 could easily go to just one big state? Like people saw with the 360 the ps3 running last and with a small amount of units on the way they better be perfect units and not have any problems with heat/read errors or anything else that can cause problems for the ps3. People should and I think will expect a perfect product since Sony could learn from the 360 and make sure they don't mess it up. I mean if I buy a computer part for $600 and lets say it's a video card and it has problems I would be pissed and return it until I get a perfect one. I have a feeling that Sony fans who get a bad unit might have to wait a while before they get a new ps3 if they just don't have any to ship out? I would be pissed if I had to wait weeks for my new unit or video card? I really wounder if Sony will have a strong launch with the amount of units they ship. __________________ Asus Laptop: 2.5 Intel Core 2 Duo, 4gigs DDR 2, Windows 7 64bit! Windows 7 > OSX!

Sep 28, 2006, 03:07 AM	Thread Starter #6
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	no, what your saying makes no sense blackcat. What I think is they are trying to indirectly compete with the 360 because they are not releasing any good info right now. If they were directly competing with Microsoft they would release all info good or bad instead of getting all the bad out of the way. I dunno its just how I feel about it. Sony knows most consumers will forget about all the things that have mentioned in that past when launch comes around. You will see a slew of info + ads right before the launch. The bad news won't be current news so it won't be released again around launch. Therefore it is not hitting Microsoft head on by saying this is better than this and this is why (because they know they will lose). Also, exciuse my typing I have my right arm all strapped up and can only type with one hand. Also, I think Sony has some tricks up their sleeve __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 28, 2006, 03:50 AM	#7
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Sep 27, 2006, 10:18 PM	#2
~~bobbytomorow~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: vancouver Posts: 450 Rep Power: 0	Sony is very good at creating hype for thier products, especially when it comes to the Plastation brand. Whether its mostly bad news or not, its not a good thing when poeple aren't talking about your product. All you see are headlines regarding PS3 so obviously the mere mention of it creates alot of site traffic. I don't think Sony is as dumb as people are making them out to be, I mean they are basically betting the farm on the PS3.

Sep 28, 2006, 05:43 AM	#8
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Sep 28, 2006, 08:25 AM	Thread Starter #10
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	I'm not defending Sony's actions, just trying to look a little deaper into it. Mostly I'm refering to Japan's market. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 28, 2006, 08:34 AM	#11
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	they don't stand a chance....Nintendo finalized pricing and packaging. $250 - Wii, Wiimote, Nunchuck, Wii Sports [original estimates of $215 didn't include the nunchuck]...and at <$10 for virtual console games, and $30-60 for wii titles....nintendo wins...and well, leakign ti now on purpose or not...unless they are LYING and makign up bad news...sony is sunk

Sep 28, 2006, 09:18 AM	Thread Starter #14
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	u mean charging 60$ for games (n64) ; ) __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Sep 28, 2006, 09:25 AM	#15
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	Naw, Wii games are confirmed to average out to $50 just like gamecube, while PS3 games aren't finalized, the guy at the store told me they've been tellign people to fully expect $60, and for certain titles, upwards fo $80

Sep 28, 2006, 10:17 AM	#17
*craig5320* HH Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 8,271 Rep Power: 428 System Specs	The Wii pre-orders are $340 here in the UK, with just Sports and the two remoted thingys, The PS3 60GB Version with 3 Games is $1035!!!! Yes that's $1035!!!! And you've gotta remember they're not even giving it to us until March, they've taken down all their advertisiing boards in my area and replaced them with PSP adverts, lmao. Who ever Bill has photos of, they must be doing something really, really bad. rofl. __________________

Sep 28, 2006, 01:23 PM	#18
YAYitsAndrew Anti-Piracy Poster Boy Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,605 Rep Power: 77 System Specs	I had a funny thought the other day, for a paltry 600 * 500,000 USD (300 mil) microsoft could buy every ps3 from the first shipment (or as many as they can get their hands on) and effectively delay the launch of the ps3. They could do it with the Wii as well since they're so cheap, but the Wii isn't really competing in the same space. __________________ "It is because the resistance to paying for copyrighted material, although often characterized as arising from a supposed technical burden or principled concern for the public interest, arises rather from exactly the same segment of the brain that is dominant in shoplifters." - Mark Helprin, Digital Barbarism In other words, it's never okay to steal even if you think you have a good reason! www.yayitsandrew.com

Sep 28, 2006, 02:33 PM	#19
BlueMak HH's Asteroids' Dominator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hellas->Macedonia->Thessaloniki Posts: 13,240 Rep Power: 326 System Specs	MS could pro buy Nintendo I think. __________________ The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others(Bertrand Russell)"You go into Afghanistan, you got guys who slap women around for five years because they didn't wear a veil,You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of a lot of fun to shoot them." - Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis This is slavery, not to speak one's thought. [Euripides-The Phoenician Women (c.411-409 B.C.)] http://www.macedonia.info/FALLACIESANDFACTS.htm *Sic semper tyrannis.*

Sep 29, 2006, 02:26 AM	#22
ekinlegend DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 43 Rep Power: 0	Pretty sure many people will buy both, PS usually have better games anyways.

Sep 29, 2006, 08:28 AM	#23
~~bobbytomorow~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: vancouver Posts: 450 Rep Power: 0	No stop saying that. Sony will win!!! I hate you all!!!

Sep 29, 2006, 02:46 PM	#24
MiDri DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 930 Rep Power: 0	I did some reading and found out that the PS3 will actully be less powerfull then the Xbox360, due to the fact their 6core's are optimized for "special purpose" code instead of generic code like the Xbox360's 3 cores are. Look up an example of the AI for Assassin's Creed to find out more about this. __________________ [COLOR=Red] [COLOR=black]He is so happy, I just don't have the heart to tell him...[/COLOR][/COLOR]