calidan

Source: TG Daily
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Opinion -Just a few months ago, the high-definition arena looked like we were in for a lengthy battle between Blu-ray and HD DVD. That impression surely has changed: Blu-ray is capturing the market where it counts – movie sales, which apparently are driven by Playstations making their way into the market. Will the game console break HD DVD's neck?

Well, let’s look at the market we have today.

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zaim

people can buy HD movies and watch them on their playstation 3 easy.

people can't buy HD movies and play them on their xbox.... unless they buy a separate HD-DVD attachment which costs more money.

I believe this is part of the reason why bluray is booming so much

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The_Neon_Cowboy

the fact that most PS3's are being retailed in a combo packages with a game etc and one,
two or more Blue ray movies surely has nothing to do with it I'm sure..... LOL..

I'm sure that artificially inflates the numbers greatly. AS they are buying it, but what they
really want is the console, its just offered as a lucrative combo for a bit more money.

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Necrosis

1. Yes..they can you can download HD movie content from the Marketplace. Cheaper than any Blu-Ray movie, plus even a few Sony backed titles.

2. It doesn't cost any more depending the system you buy (or deald you receive) than a PS3.

3. This article is one person's opinion. So it should be just more Blu-Boy shrill service.

4. PS3 isn't the only gaming console on the market. Last time I check the meager Wii is kicking the snot out of it.

5. Here's some opinion - Microsoft decides to give all 360 owners w/o a HD DVD add-on a free upgrade.

Da_Jewish_Fonzy

I don't know why their is so much anger on this forum towards Blu-Ray, it has MORE storage capacity, ie: its better than HD-DVD.

calidan

I think the reason there is so much anger toward Sony is the whole root kit thing. People need to just get over it. Besides, Blu-ray for last freakin time is NOT a Sony product. It was in the beginning but not now. This is not the same as Betamax or UMD. There are more companies involved than just Sony.

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Necrosis

18 GB HD movie doesn't matter if it's on a 30GB or 50GB disk.

I've always said HD DVD for movies and Blu-Ray for computers.

For myself it's more than just that one example. It's the whole elitist our products are better than everyone else's. If not for those other companies helping them in this endeavor they'd be screwed. Heck even if HD DVD doesn't die it'll be those companies not Sony making the combo players. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If there was no Sony Pictures, or Sony backed movie studios there would be no format war right now.

Da_Jewish_Fonzy

Blu-Ray isn't exclusively Sony and Sony is not the only corp producing Blu-Ray players. There are far more corps behind Blu-Ray then there are for HD-DVD. Microsoft has been trying to get a steak of your living room for years and the launch of the xbox was not only to do that but to knock Sony out, the ONLY reason Microsoft is behind HD-DVD is because their main competitors, Apple and Sony, are not.

What exactly makes Microsoft a saint all of a sudden? As a PC gamer I loathe Microsoft. They do nothing but screw people, look at the 360 failure rate, and their me too games and hardware. At least Sony has the guts to innovate.

Necrosis

Blu-Ray is Sony's baby, I've proved this before beyond any doubt. So if there are more Blu-Ray players why do they cost more? Do you really think Sony would allow MS to license Blu-Ray technology?

Did I say anything about Microsoft? Am I proclaiming anything about Microsoft? Please show me where I'm raving about MS. At least I have some factual reasons why not to like Sony. If you don't like MS then don't use their products. I don't use Sony products, what is your excuse? Getting back to my point last time I checked Toshiba was the main company behind HD DVD. Look everyone a comment about the failure rate, how bloody freaking original. How many great games out now can you get on 360 besides PS3? You take those games out of the equation there is like what two decent games for PS3? Innovate where? Graphics that are no better than a console released a year prior? Heck, they didn't even bother to design a new controller. I guess that is why even in their home market Nintendo is killing them.

Da_Jewish_Fonzy

The majour players backing HD-DVD are Microsoft, Toshiba and NEC. Microsoft is competing with Sony, and their other competitors like Apple, in this format war whether it be directly or indirectly(like tossing out cash to Paramount). This is a corporate war not just a format war, don't kid yourself. And would Sony let MS license Blu-Ray? Its no secret Microsoft is against Blu-Ray.

Lie what reasons? The other alternative to Sony is basically Microsoft. If they pulled out of the format war and pulled support for HD DVD the format would be dead. So I ask again what makes Microsoft any better than Sony? Microsoft are the biggest consumer scam artists in the world. Talk about forcing technology down peoples throats, thats what MS does best.

I don't, their hardware is junk and I haven't paid for their software in my entire life.

I've been happy with Sony electronics ever since I can remember, from walkmans and discmans to the PS1 and televisions. It was Sony that made gaming as mainstream and socially accepted as it is now. It was Sony that took risks when Nintendo wouldn't by putting adult oriented games on their console.

A 33% failure rate is pretty substantial if you ask me, actually its down right unacceptable. And why stick up for Microsoft? I thought you never praised them?

You mean all the games that I can also play on my PC? Aside from Gears of War theres not much. I'll admit the PS3 has a weaker line up right now, but I think both systems should have a better selection of games, Sony isn't alone.

You don't think the Cell is innovative? Or a Blu-Ray drive? Many developers have already publicy said that without Blu-Ray their visions couldn't be completely realized, and these are developers from third parties, like Konami, Squaresoft, Epic etc...All the 360 has is off the shelf PC parts cheaply manufactured with a high failure rate.

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Nintendo threw the towel in this generation, they aren't even in the same league as the 360 and PS3. Nintendo is targeting a whole new demographic this round and good for them, this is in no way bad for the PS3, any one who wanted one will still buy it. Its not like the Wii can substitute for the PS3's capabilities, you know it and I know it. Girls and married couples are buying the Wii because its accessible and cheap. Since when do sales figures matter anyway? Are you saying a Big Mac is better than a Porter House steak simply because it sells more?

Geminiwave

to be fair, cell was far more of an IBM product. Sony had little to do with it save for financing and marketing. And yes financing is a big deal, but make no mistake...its like saying that Sony Ericsson phones were developed by Sony. they're simply marketed by them. Its still Ericsson innovation.

And as for microsoft, nobody is saying they're saints...however recently I've felt that Microsoft is working extremely hard to make ME happy. They are definitely driven by profit and are no saints, but their method for getting profit right now is finding out what people want and GIVING it to them. Also, yes theres a "high" failure rate for 360s (high in the sense that the media is covering it quite a bit), but have you noticed how they respond? are we up a river? NO! we get letters of appology and extended waranties and refunds for repairs made at 3rd party locations. Seriously. MS has stepped up to the plate and said "we want you to be happy"

I have a microsoft mouse. a microsoft keyboard. an xbox, a 360, and a zune. they're all fantastic.

I also have a ps2, a sony wega, and SE phone...so yea sony products are alright too. I just dont see Sony behaving in a manner that says they care about me. Root kits? insane IP lawsuits? poor game lineup for next gen system?

but I'm off topic here. I'm waiting patiently to see what happens, but it seems to me that HD-DVD has some better features and its backed by companies that have been treating me well the last few years.

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Necrosis

Yeah because you'll never see a Blu-Ray add on drive on a 360. Apple is along for the ride because Microsoft is supporting HD DVD never mind Steve Jobs is on the board of directors for Disney.

Last time I checked Sony did build other products beside the PS3. They make computers, TVs, audio equipment, software, etc. In which all their products are over-rated, over-hyped pieces of cow feces.

Yet another pointless statement. Yeah, and if Sony pulled out of Blu-Ray it would die too. What's your point? Here we go w/ MS being this and that. If you're smart enough to know all of this then USE SOMETHING ELSE!!! Maybe you should actually try to use Linux instead of following the pack about M$ hatred. Find your own reasons not because it's the "in" or l33t thing to do.

Congrats on being a thief.

Please folks remember this statement:

Care to lecture me on morals now?

Guess not having to pay for all that M$ software allowed you to pay for over-hyped/priced products.

You don't own one so why care? The problem is being resolved, units are being replaced. It sucks for Microsoft, and especially the consumer. However, it's the only straw you have that supports your loathing of their console.

The Darkness, Dead Rising, PGR3, Call Of Duty 3, and Fight Night just to name a few off the top of my head. I didn't know those came out yet for PC? Speaking of PC gaming wouldn't that mean it's kind of backed by Microsoft? Your ability to play most games is Microsoft's Direct X.

Did you really base your decision to buy a PS3 solely on two or three exclusive games?

Yeah you can stick a jet engine on a lawn mower, it doesn't change anything. It can do a great job w/ folding @ home. Yes that's why I want to spend hundreds of dollars on a console. Never mind just to have a Blu-Ray player that will be out classed in less than a year. Visions? As in uncompressed textures to fill disk space? Guess it's needed when your on-line service sucks; plus an under handed way in their justification for a Blu-Ray drive. Um, just let me scroll up for a second. Yeah we already talked about the failure rate, you need to get some new material. I find it pretty amazing if what you say is true; those so called "cheap parts" generally have better graphics. You would think with all the extra time they they could of made something that out-classed a product that was thrown together.

The people spoke, they spoke and are speaking w/ their pocket books. The Wii costs just about as much money as Sony loses per console. It's why the PS2 is still out selling the PS3. Not everyone has a HDTV, most are not buying one any time soon. Sales figures matter because of profit. If they don't matter I guess the amount of Blu-Ray movies sold vs HD DVD doesn't either? It's not about what I prefer it's about what people want to pay for. Sony released the PS3 too early for two main reasons:

1. 360 being out on the market by itself.

2. To push Blu-Ray down consumer's throats (who does that sound like?) While riding on the coat tails of their previous success.

BlueMak

I can understand having a problem with the failure rate of the xbox 360s, but, what Microsoft Hardware sucks? AFAIK all their hardware was always top quality.

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Talwar

Very true. I don't know much about the Xbox 360 and PS3 since I don't own one yet and don't plan to, but MS's peripherals have always been top notch. I have some heavily used and abused keyboards, mice and joysticks from the early 2000s, and they still take a beating and keep on going. I've had Saitek and Logitech stuff die on me, but never MS.

Geminiwave

as do I.

in fact one of the things I love about the zune is that it takes a beating. It aint the prettiest, but it plays all the formats I have and it plays them well all while being drop resistant.

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g35x

that'd be amazing.

but idk, the decision for me on which to get would be(if i had the money) games and so far x360 has that down.
movies, not so much because i watch movies on my computer so when the time comes that hd dvd / bluray drives are available for pc (are they already?) i will just pick one up.

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