HellxWeaver

I think the PS3 is the best newgen system personally--the PS3 is perhaps the most underrated system ever, but Sony made a big mistake- their advertising sucked at the beginning, and now it is too late to win over most of the other systems' fanboys.

The PS3 has superior graphics to the other systems, it has less glitches than the xbox360 (red ring of death anyone?) and I can have my PS3 (80gb) on for a week without it overheating, so as far as I know overheating isn't a problem, and lastly the PS3 is made by a company that have ruled console gaming in the past, and hopefully will again (yes, I know, so does Wii, but what serious gamer can take the cartoony stuff that the Wii offers?). The PS3 is beat in the number of games available. The PS3 also has the heftiest price tag. So why choose the PS3? (other than MGS4 xP)

I believe that sooner than we'd like to think, the less powerful systems will be outdated. The price will drop. The PS3 will (God willing) get more awesome exclusives. And another big plus that makes the Xbox360 horrible for your multimedia setup-- Microsoft went with HD dvd, not Bluray. So now if you want to setup a gaming & movie area with Xbox 360, you have to buy a Bluray DVD player if you're serious about it (not to mention how much the HD DVD add-on cost when it first came out). So what does this mean? If you want to setup a simple gaming & movie area, you'll end up spending close to the amount of a PS3, if not over (I don't feel like number crunching). So if you haven't bought your system yet, i suggest the PS3. Please explain your favourite system, what makes yours good, etc.

BoroVC

I voted for Wii because IMO it's more next gen anything else because it dared to try something new and pulled it off well.

I say 'serious gamer' is reserved only for PC gamers. PC gaming is the pinnacle of gaming. Everything else is just a bit of fun.

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HellxWeaver

I agree to an extent. Although i don't have the Wii I think I'll get the Wiimote (that remote is the most advanced controller by far of any console, I think). Anyways, I think you can game seriously on a console, any console, including the Wii. Its just easier to game seriously on other things

BlueMak

Since you include the PC, I have no choice but to say that. If you do not include the PC, Xbox 360.

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EcPercy

I don't agree with most of what you said. From most of the screenshot comparisons I have seen the 360 looks much better and for a good majority of games the 360 loads them faster than PS3 even though you have to "install" the game on the PS3.

You don't have to believe it, but PS3 systems die too. The 360 problems are supposed to be fixed now. Yes you are right though. Sony has ruled the console gaming scene in the past, but I don't think it's going to happen this time.

I like playing games on the Wii. The price is right in line with what I want to pay and the games are fun.

If I had to choose between PS3 and 360 I would go with 360 because it has more than one game I would like to play. MGS4 is not enough to sell me a system...

It's already been proven that the 360 is a more capable system when it comes to what the devs want in a system. CELL is not as great they want you to believe. Sorry. I wish I could find that slide show where they point out pretty much all of the PS3 flaws. (e.g. less graphics memory)

It's doubtful that any one platform will get more exclusive titles in this day and age with the cost to create a game most companies are going multi-platform to try and make a profit.

From what I have seen 360 is not horrible with multi-media either. Microsoft supported HD DVD long enough to get their downloadable movie portion going and you can use the 360 as a media center extender.

In Short; Buy whatever makes you happy. I don't have a PS3 or 360. As I mentioned before I would get the 360 for the games.

HellxWeaver

Of course buy what makes you happy, I would never suggest otherwise. If you like Halo, go Xbox. If you love mgs, go with Playstation, etc. Of course there are other reasons for choosing a system (and I know PS3's break down I've already had it happen to me. at least customer service was easy). I have other reasons for choosing the PS3, like the fact that I have too many ps1/2 games to give up on them or sell them, and that I really don't like Bill Gates (I almost got a Wii, because of my love for LoZ and old school gaming (which no one has voted for yet, lol)). I've played all of the newgen consoles, all on HD TVs and normal res TVs- the PS3 looks the best, it runs the fastest, because of Bluray (I assume, Google can always help), and I love the PS3 controllers- long battery life Bluetooth (yeah, stolen from the Wii. If it helps, Wii fans, I think the Wii has best controllers). I have a friend who comes over with his 360 sometimes, and his controllers can die like twice a night. The PS3 controllers (from my testing) can last a week or so of MGS related gaming, which for half of that I was regularly using the Sixaxis function, if it would make a difference in energy use. Then it said the battery was low ^^.

BlueMak

Die twice a night? What do you mean by that for the 360 controllers? I can use mine without recharge for days.

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Zelig

Yeah, I have to say, I looove the 360 controllers. I've 2 of the wireless controllers and the wireless GH3 guitar for my PC, even though I don't have a 360.

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OmegaRED

I don't own any next gen systems, just a Wii which I don't play because most of the games are crap. HellxWeaver, you are a HUGE flaming Sony fanboy and I had to respond to a few things.

Not according to every ps3/360 comparison that I've seen. For every title that looks better on a PS3 there's 3-4 more that were significantly smoother in framerate or better IQ on the 360.

Atari ruled in the past too should we care? Much like the ATI/AMD vs Nvidia battles in the PC world it's good to have a tug of war battle over the years it makes for a better gaming market.

More like overrated. Despite coming out a year after the Xbox 360 it's less powerful or equal to that system and lacks any features (aside from the Blu-Ray player) to distinguish itself from the competition.

Back in the day when a new console came out it always had significantly more features than the current models but this didn't happen with the PS3.

LOL, you know things are looking bad when you have to ask God for exclusive games.

WTF? Lay off the fanboy crack

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Syndicate2083

What I really like about it is that it's not a gaming platform. It's a cheap Bluray player, you can load ubuntu onto it, you can stream whatever you want to it, it outputs in hd, you can upgrade the hdd to whatever you want, basically. Its a pretty sweet media center device, and it also happens to play games. Hah.

Overall game quality and playability goes to the xbox360 between the two of them any day. Plus the game lineup for the ps3 so far is mediocre at best, hopefully we will see sony start to pull in names with its clout. It needs some good RPG titles, hell all the systems do really. The wii is 'fun' and brings out the inner kid in us. Thats great, but annoying, and has an eery 'smug' feel about it... maybe... something granny smith this way... haha

-Syn

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OmegaRED
We should care about Atari, just like we care about a grandfather or grandma. (heres a crack at all of the older consoles) You respect them, but they're not good for much in this day and age xP. But seriously, I do believe competition is good for us (and the lack of it is bad, just look at what Microsoft has done with Windows.) I am a fan of the xbox and Wii consoles, too, because they help move gaming technology ahead.

In general, from the things I have seen, the PS3 version of games look better (especially so on the new GTA game that everyone is raving about).

First of all, if you couldn't tell the difference between the newgens, then you're on crack (no 'fanboy' included). Secondly, the PS3 has many defining things about it that the xbox did and didn't have, and good support was something Sony had that should have been noticed, but people were too busy complaining about xbox service

Its funny for more reasons than one like the fact that I don't believe in God. And the exclusive games thing is completely Sony's fault-they thought they could survive on 'fanboy' power, so felt no need to really advertise at first. And from what I knot the next FF game will be PS3 exclusive, but I might be wrong.

Bluray discs hold much more than than other discs, so you can put better definition graphics and higher quality sound on them (you need to see MGS4).

About Bluray being faster, its true. Little or no compression is needed, therefore it is not decompressed, making it faster by putting less of a load on your system.

Try researching every now and again. And don't try to make a generalization about me, it isn't appreciated.

Syndicate2083

It definitely is good for its Bluray capabilities. Although I use Ubuntu on my PC, I wouldn't want to use it on my PS3, I'd be too afraid of loosing data (even though I know how to dual boot proficiently enough)

Mousey

Couldn't have said it better

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Syndicate2083

Yeah, it's just amusing using the PS3 as a little PC and surfing the web right from ubuntu on the PS3. You can do a whole lot once you get ubuntu on there, its really a cool move on Sonys part. Like I said, overall the thing has allot going for it if people think outside the gaming box with it.

PS. Cant wait for the new FF, and it's almost assuredly going to be PS only, they did that one platform crossover and it sold so poorly that they at the time said they wouldnt do so again. Perhaps a PC convert if its popular enough, but I wouldnt count on any cross platform FF games.

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Syndicate2083

I agree. I mostly like consoles for sandbox games like GTA, or epic RPGs like FF, and madden. I really don't consider it a hardcore gaming setup though and can't stand shooters on a console. Its cool just to chill with a beer and some friends and beat people down, or throw down in madden. I don't use em online, dont go crazy for the asinine gamer award points on the xbox system. If I want to really game, Ill go on my PC.

I think that Sony and Nintendo are going in opposite directions, nintendo realized that just a console alone is getting kinda worthless and brought the fun at home with friends party time. Sony saw the same, but went for the all in one media center zone, and for people who really don't need a whole pc can just load ubuntu up and even surf the web and do email etc right from the PS3. I think MS is trying to force just a console with the award system, and a 'social scene' via xbox live. It's just not really all that fun and overall gets boring.

/Shrug

-Syn

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BlueMak

GTAIV better looking on a PS3 than on a Xbox 360? Now, you must be kidding or trolling. What do you find better? The lower resolution or the stronger upscaling?

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OmegaRED

Exactly, this guy is a pure Sony fanboy and doesn't even make sense.

There are plenty of articles which detail the tweaks made to GTAIV to run at a steady framerate on both consoles.

Blu-Ray storage does not mean better graphics! Where the hell did you get that idea? That's like saying a dude with a 1 Terabyte hard drive in his PC gets better graphics than a guy with an 80gig drive. All this means is Sony can add more content to a disc but the graphics will always be dependent on the developer and the capability of the gpu/cpus.

In the case of MGS4, this means there could be more HD cutscenes but the game itself would probably look the same or better on the 360.

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Lowfat

PC FTW. I have both a 360 and a Wii, and never touch either of them. And as for a PS3, I would never buy one. Sony can die!

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HellxWeaver

Bluray storage DOES mean better graphics (higher res, etc) for just a game, not the system overall-- you misunderstood me. And please don't make this thread into a big argument, that was definitely not what I wanted. Just saying what system is your favourite and why. If two people who completely disagree about two systems get into an argument about them neither of us will win, because the other person will always be 'wrong' to the other person. And don't call me a fanboy-- I love Halo as much as any other person, always have loved LoZ, I think Solid Snake is the most hardcore person who doesn't exist, and its hard to find just one example for why I love PCs. And the old Sonic games were pretty cool too

Why can't the systems get along, like these (sorry for bad quality and Wii-lessness)

OmegaRED

You keep saying the same crap and it's wrong. Blu-ray does not mean better graphics at all. It has nothing to do with it. Blu-ray is simply the storage medium which means since it is much larger than a DVD-9 disc it can fit more files.

The resolution is determined by the power of the gpu/cpus and the type of connection (HDMI/Svideo/composite etc) outputting to the tv...Blu-Ray has nothing to do with that.

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HellxWeaver

So you're saying that higher resolution graphics are the same size as their lower resolution brethren? (hint, they aren't). And yes--
But to be able to transmit higher resolution graphics, you must store these (rather large) files on something. Like the larger Blu-ray disc. Therefore, Blu-ray technology is needed for HD output (unless you're watching and/or playing something from cable/sat/hdd)
But I don't want this thread ruined with a bunch of bickering people, so why don't we just agree to disagree, but still state our viewpoints on the newgen systems argument. By the by, please people, post. 27 votes and only a handful of unique posters.

IEMC

When you say higher resolution, are you referring to texture detail? That's the only way I can see how the size of the storage changes anything.

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OmegaRED

Following your failing logic, copying an entire game to a PS3 80gig hard drive would mean even higher resolution...it has even more space than a Blu-ray disc! Or, if the 360 had a Blu-Ray player it would also get better graphics! Do you see how stupid this sounds?

Anyway, if you don't understand it by now you'll never figure it out.

IMO, best newgen system is the 360 but just by a hair:

+More games overall
+Cheaper
+XBL is the best online gaming service around

-RROD, other reliability issues
-doesn't come with HD player
-limited backwards compatibility

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kris23

fuck PS3..... played on it and a 360, its bullshit....

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Lowfat

With your logic, you are saying Crysis would look better on a PS3 over a PC because Crysis can fit larger textures on a Blu-ray Disc versus a DVD? . Just because there is more room for textures means nothing. Most textures are compressed these days anyways.

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PC Nugga!

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HellxWeaver

If I wanted an argument about just what I think, then I would've made a thread saying 'PS3=Best' and then you guys being complete [insert curse word]s about my opinion would be perfectly acceptable. But that isn't what I did, I just made a thread for discussion of the pros and cons of all systems, not the "I am smarter than you and MY system is better" bull. So once again, I'll ask us to quit arguing, please. Like I have for too many posts.

Rahazan

My choice will always be the pc I like using a mouse and keyboard and all the stuff you can do on a computer.

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Cow_160483

PC is the only system that kicks and is by far, and I do mean by far the best newgen system out there and the results of the poll reflect that !! am glad that people have not lost their mind yet, forget the PS# whatever the number is coz they all sucked , and the 360, and the wii.

'consoles are for losers!! you guys that like them can just die, just joking"

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craig5320

I have to say I love my 360, possibly for the multiplayer aspect, nearly all my mates have a 360 and maybe only 2-3 have a gaming PC, so it's great for multiplayer games with friends. I'm accustomed to the 360 pad even for FPS' and yes I have the adapter to use them on my pc too.

I have a Wii also, but the novelty wore off fast, I keep an eye on the games that come along in the hope something will relight the fire.

As for PS3, not a huge fan, mainly as I don't see the benefit over the 360, maybe in a year or two when the price has come down again.

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You've opened up a can of worms creating a topic like this on a website that is PC orientated and attracts hardcore PC users. You are right to complain about the posting language being used as it's completely unacceptable but this has plauged nearly every website that has members of the two communities. Normally this website is friendly with regards to helping its members and such and I commend them for that but this changes drastically when discussing corperations. We live in an age of capitalism and one of its supposed advantages is competition, something Western goverments have fought to keep.

Though one thing I would have thought PC users would stand up for is paying for an online service when they've typically had one for years. (Good discussion on the issue can be found here Why Xbox Live isn't free | GamesRadar).

When you get developers like Valve and Epic posting news that PC gaming isn't dead and developers like crytek stating that crysis warhead is the last PC exclusive game from them, then there are problems. The main one in crytek's case is piracy. The PC medium is a fanatastic medium for gaming and the best due to user created content and ever evolving hardware but sales for UT3 and crysis were fairly poor compared to current gen consoles. I think Valve's steam delivery system and EA's equivalent is one way to tackle the problem and when nvidia releases the new geforces it should put prices of the geforce 8 and 9s down which will facilitate upgrades. But the games need to be there to make it worthwhile.