Miscellaneous Game Probs in XP

reno · Dec 1, 2002, 11:15 PM

Argh, my worst fears came true...Jedi Outcast (slowdown for environmental transitions in EAX3 mode), GTA 3 (strange choppyness for no reason), and Baldurs Gate 2 (unable to use 3d acceleration, no matter the driver revision or compatibility mode)...all run fine in Win98se....

What is it that's making them run this way, it is fixable, I know it...what IS IT!? argh...any help would be great if anyone knows anything about these three games that just refuse to work correctly.

DriveEuro · Dec 1, 2002, 11:40 PM

This really doesn't pretain to this that much, but before in some other post you said your NEVER have defragged your HD. Why not do that... Won't help totally. With GTA3, go to display properties>troubleshooting>then move the slider one notch to the left. That might fix GTA 3.

reno · Dec 2, 2002, 12:36 AM

Well, ran speeddisk on my drives...main one with windows and GTA3 was only 5% fragmented and "didn't need to be" defragged...but did it anyway...

No dice.

Will try the troubleshooting slider next...

Malus · Dec 2, 2002, 06:38 AM

I'm assuming you've updated all of the drivers, along with Windows itself?

Try disabling sound in the games. If the games work fine sans sound, it could be a problem with your sound card. Otherwise, it's probably some sort of video problem and you'll have to waste your time trying the million or so Detonators in order to fix it.

barrybeal · Dec 2, 2002, 08:44 PM

I had some problems with my Direct X games - I had just uninstalled Hydravision (didn't need) it and I thought that it had messed up Windows XP - I reinstalled Windows XP SP1 (which someone said can fix some driver problems. It turns out that the eradic ocassional mouse problems I had in Direct X was apparently due to dirt/dust in my old ball style Logitech MouseMan wheel PS/2 mouse.

Game problems can be hardware caused and not just software bugs.

reno · Dec 5, 2002, 03:58 PM

Okay, GTA3 has a problem with EAX Advanced HD (according to creative) so that fixed that...but Baldur's Gate 2...ARGHH!

I love the game, and I love playing in full fidelity, so I just boot into Win98se and it runs flawlessly with hardware acceleration but loads slower because win98 is on my crappy hard drive.

My WinXp partition looks like this...

WinXp SP1
Via 4-in-1s v. 4.43 (and tried 4.38)
Nvidia Detonators 40.72 beta (and tried 29.42 WHQL)
Creative Audigy .283 revision "Audigy 2" drivers, also tried .253 drivers
Baldurs Gate 2 w/ Throne of Bhaal expansion, patched fully.

Okay, I'm speculating that there is a problem with OpenGl compatibility. What happens is I enable 3d acceleration (which BG2 uses OpenGL for 3d) and test, I get a 8 color, 160x120 screen and it displays, doesn't crash. Go into the game, same resolution and color depth...doesn't fix itself.

If I disable Hardware Acceleration, everything is A-Ok.

Now, my Win98se partition is using all the same drivers as my XP partition (except the WinXP ones are for WinXp and so on for Win98se)...and I'm playing the game through windows 98 se FROM my Windows XP partition...so it's not a different install, and not a different harddrive.

I have a feeling there is just some weird thing I have to fix with OpenGl...but I don't know what...anyone ever had a problem like this in another OpenGl game? Possible fixes anyone?

Mac Daddy · Dec 16, 2002, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by reno
Okay, GTA3 has a problem with EAX Advanced HD (according to creative) so that fixed that...but Baldur's Gate 2...ARGHH!

I love the game, and I love playing in full fidelity, so I just boot into Win98se and it runs flawlessly with hardware acceleration but loads slower because win98 is on my crappy hard drive.

My WinXp partition looks like this...

WinXp SP1
Via 4-in-1s v. 4.43 (and tried 4.38)
Nvidia Detonators 40.72 beta (and tried 29.42 WHQL)
Creative Audigy .283 revision "Audigy 2" drivers, also tried .253 drivers
Baldurs Gate 2 w/ Throne of Bhaal expansion, patched fully.

Okay, I'm speculating that there is a problem with OpenGl compatibility. What happens is I enable 3d acceleration (which BG2 uses OpenGL for 3d) and test, I get a 8 color, 160x120 screen and it displays, doesn't crash. Go into the game, same resolution and color depth...doesn't fix itself.

If I disable Hardware Acceleration, everything is A-Ok.

Now, my Win98se partition is using all the same drivers as my XP partition (except the WinXP ones are for WinXp and so on for Win98se)...and I'm playing the game through windows 98 se FROM my Windows XP partition...so it's not a different install, and not a different harddrive.

I have a feeling there is just some weird thing I have to fix with OpenGl...but I don't know what...anyone ever had a problem like this in another OpenGl game? Possible fixes anyone?

your problem is betas, top too bottom, Im sure you have this solved by now, if not try 41.09, no betas, there evil

mbeeston · Dec 21, 2002, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mac Daddy
your problem is betas, top too bottom, Im sure you have this solved by now, if not try 41.09, no betas, there evil

not really but the 41.09 are the worst bug riden drivers nvidia has

reno · Dec 22, 2002, 04:04 PM

That was the dumbest thing I ever heard...

My soundcard and chipset drivers are WHQL certified, my nvidia dets have never failed me, ever. I can't say the same for a lot of the 41.xx series.

It's the infinity engine, it sucks with openGl, I realized that when I got icewind dale 1 and 2...in 1, you can 3d accelerate and amazingly it works...but the texels are improperly aligned...in Icewind Dale 2, which was released AFTER neverwinter nights, there isn't even an option to use 3d acceleration...BECAUSE it's CRAPPY on the damn infinity engine...I'm so mad.

Other than that, GTA3 is fine...Rockstar says EAX HD won't be fixed because not many people use it, bastard lazy asses. But Doom 3 runs great, and the same with Mafia and NOLF2.

Mac Daddy · Dec 22, 2002, 06:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by reno
[B]That was the dumbest thing I ever heard...

It's the infinity engine, it sucks with openGl

Really, well maybe my older G2, is less affected, Ive had no probs with the drivers. or EAX HD even on GTA3. That card is older as well, SBlive
Did have a bad experience with, XPSP1, Beta 1081 though, NEVER AGAIN

Just curious, does BF1942 use that engine as well, Cause same deal, no Open GL support, or options.
Had a hell of a time with it, my card was blacklisted in readme, I got it running smooth anyway, I never give up.

Modified some directX settings, and believe it or not, Windows Swap file settings, worked for me

May sound DUMB, but HEY, as long as it works

Hope ya get ERR solved in time for Xmas Bud

Best of luck !!

Dec 1, 2002, 11:15 PM	#1
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	Miscellaneous Game Probs in XP Argh, my worst fears came true...Jedi Outcast (slowdown for environmental transitions in EAX3 mode), GTA 3 (strange choppyness for no reason), and Baldurs Gate 2 (unable to use 3d acceleration, no matter the driver revision or compatibility mode)...all run fine in Win98se.... What is it that's making them run this way, it is fixable, I know it...what IS IT!? argh...any help would be great if anyone knows anything about these three games that just refuse to work correctly.

Dec 1, 2002, 11:40 PM	#2
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	This really doesn't pretain to this that much, but before in some other post you said your NEVER have defragged your HD. Why not do that... Won't help totally. With GTA3, go to display properties>troubleshooting>then move the slider one notch to the left. That might fix GTA 3. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 2, 2002, 12:36 AM	Thread Starter #3
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sdfg Well, ran speeddisk on my drives...main one with windows and GTA3 was only 5% fragmented and "didn't need to be" defragged...but did it anyway... No dice. Will try the troubleshooting slider next...

Dec 2, 2002, 06:38 AM	#4
Malus BSD SMASH! Join Date: May 2002 Location: A rabbit hole. . . Posts: 1,170 Rep Power: 0	I'm assuming you've updated all of the drivers, along with Windows itself? Try disabling sound in the games. If the games work fine sans sound, it could be a problem with your sound card. Otherwise, it's probably some sort of video problem and you'll have to waste your time trying the million or so Detonators in order to fix it. __________________ quad (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel Q6600 - Asus P5E-VM HDMI - 2x2 GB Kingston PC6400 DDR2 Ram - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - 2xSeagate 1TB 7200RPM HD in RAID 1 via ZFS - Lite-On 20x DVD Multi Recorder - Coolermaster Centurion 5 router (FreeBSD/amd64 8-CURRENT): Intel E4500 - Intel D945GCNL - 2 GB PC6400 Mushkin Ram - Lite-On 48x24x48x16 - Seagate 320GB 7200RPM HD - Silverstone SST-SG02-F wanderer (FreeBSD/i386 7-CURRENT): Lenovo Thinkpad T61p mini (OS X 10.5): Intel Core 2 Duo @ 1.8Ghz, 4 GB Mushkin PC5400 Ram - Headroom MicroDAC Portable sound: Rockboxed iPod Video -> Westone UM2's Not-So-Portable Sound: Headroon MicroDAC -> Singlepower PPX3-SLAM -> Grado RS-1's or Beyerdynamic DT-880's Very-Not-Portable-Sound: Squeezebox v3 -> Denon AVR-1507 -> B&W 683's & Sunfire HRS-10

Dec 5, 2002, 03:58 PM	Thread Starter #6
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	sdf Okay, GTA3 has a problem with EAX Advanced HD (according to creative) so that fixed that...but Baldur's Gate 2...ARGHH! I love the game, and I love playing in full fidelity, so I just boot into Win98se and it runs flawlessly with hardware acceleration but loads slower because win98 is on my crappy hard drive. My WinXp partition looks like this... WinXp SP1 Via 4-in-1s v. 4.43 (and tried 4.38) Nvidia Detonators 40.72 beta (and tried 29.42 WHQL) Creative Audigy .283 revision "Audigy 2" drivers, also tried .253 drivers Baldurs Gate 2 w/ Throne of Bhaal expansion, patched fully. Okay, I'm speculating that there is a problem with OpenGl compatibility. What happens is I enable 3d acceleration (which BG2 uses OpenGL for 3d) and test, I get a 8 color, 160x120 screen and it displays, doesn't crash. Go into the game, same resolution and color depth...doesn't fix itself. If I disable Hardware Acceleration, everything is A-Ok. Now, my Win98se partition is using all the same drivers as my XP partition (except the WinXP ones are for WinXp and so on for Win98se)...and I'm playing the game through windows 98 se FROM my Windows XP partition...so it's not a different install, and not a different harddrive. I have a feeling there is just some weird thing I have to fix with OpenGl...but I don't know what...anyone ever had a problem like this in another OpenGl game? Possible fixes anyone?

Dec 2, 2002, 08:44 PM	#5
barrybeal DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 34 Rep Power: 0	I had some problems with my Direct X games - I had just uninstalled Hydravision (didn't need) it and I thought that it had messed up Windows XP - I reinstalled Windows XP SP1 (which someone said can fix some driver problems. It turns out that the eradic ocassional mouse problems I had in Direct X was apparently due to dirt/dust in my old ball style Logitech MouseMan wheel PS/2 mouse. Game problems can be hardware caused and not just software bugs.

Dec 22, 2002, 04:04 PM	Thread Starter #9
reno Painlord of Ichor Join Date: May 2002 Location: bloinkin! Posts: 1,610 Rep Power: 0	fgh That was the dumbest thing I ever heard... My soundcard and chipset drivers are WHQL certified, my nvidia dets have never failed me, ever. I can't say the same for a lot of the 41.xx series. It's the infinity engine, it sucks with openGl, I realized that when I got icewind dale 1 and 2...in 1, you can 3d accelerate and amazingly it works...but the texels are improperly aligned...in Icewind Dale 2, which was released AFTER neverwinter nights, there isn't even an option to use 3d acceleration...BECAUSE it's CRAPPY on the damn infinity engine...I'm so mad. Other than that, GTA3 is fine...Rockstar says EAX HD won't be fixed because not many people use it, bastard lazy asses. But Doom 3 runs great, and the same with Mafia and NOLF2.

Dec 22, 2002, 06:05 PM	#10
Mac Daddy DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 7,950 Rep Power: 79 System Specs	Re: fgh [QUOTE]Originally posted by reno [B]That was the dumbest thing I ever heard... It's the infinity engine, it sucks with openGl Really, well maybe my older G2, is less affected, Ive had no probs with the drivers. or EAX HD even on GTA3. That card is older as well, SBlive Did have a bad experience with, XPSP1, Beta 1081 though, NEVER AGAIN Just curious, does BF1942 use that engine as well, Cause same deal, no Open GL support, or options. Had a hell of a time with it, my card was blacklisted in readme, I got it running smooth anyway, I never give up. Modified some directX settings, and believe it or not, Windows Swap file settings, worked for me May sound DUMB, but HEY, as long as it works Hope ya get ERR solved in time for Xmas Bud Best of luck !! __________________ "My mom said the only reason men are alive is for lawn care and vehicle maintenance." - Tim Allen