GTA Vice City for PC? oh yeah baby!!

daHiVE · Dec 18, 2002, 09:38 PM

just came across this little news item, which states that rockstar has confirmed a spring 2003 release for GTA Vice City PC! *sigh of relief*

http://www.ggmania.com/#12688

digitalwanderer · Dec 18, 2002, 09:43 PM

"w00t-w00t-w00t!!!!"

daHiVE · Dec 18, 2002, 10:27 PM

hehe, well said

Zarathustra · Dec 18, 2002, 10:29 PM

Very cool, I guess they finally realized how many copies of this game they will sell

sencaa · Dec 19, 2002, 10:29 AM

yeh this is the best news i ever heard in last days,liked gta3 and will love gta vice city

ToshiroOC · Dec 20, 2002, 01:19 PM

:drools: Yes! I am sick and tired of using a damn controller to try and drive or aim - it just doesn't work. For some things you just need a computer, and GTA is one of them...

ToshiroOC

dipstick · Dec 20, 2002, 03:53 PM

This is definitely good news. I just hope they take their time and do it right.

Alcofiel · Dec 20, 2002, 06:35 PM

it's pretty cool, but i have it on my ps2 and it just kicks ass. i like it better on a console.

Nexus · Dec 20, 2002, 11:13 PM

it cant be that hard to go from ps2 to pc. and they make the games on a pc in the first place so i dont see what they would have against puting it on the pc

DriveEuro · Dec 20, 2002, 11:59 PM

It's prolly cuz it will take so many damn CDs to play it on PC.

ToshiroOC · Dec 21, 2002, 12:27 AM

Nexus, reason its so hard to port games from consoles that are very un-PC-like (aka anything that isn't an Xbox) is because everything has been optimized to run on that particular console, and a lot of the time special console-specific functions are called, and for more complex graphics, they have to be rewritten to work with a video card instead of a graphics-oriented CPU in a console. Machine-level language is different to, so any hand-coded machine language would have to be totally redone, and then after all of this they have to do compatibility testing, because consoles have extremely limited changes in configuration, while there are hundreds of thousands of computers with different combinations of parts and software out there that should be able to run the game, and some of those won't for some strange reason or another, meaning that they have to write patches like crazy for the code to work on the different PC configurations. They also have to complete revamp the input system from a controller-based one to a mouse/keyboard based one, write protocols for key binding and all... The list goes on and on, and essentially, you can't just simply click a little option that says, "Compile for x86 PC" instead of "Compile for PS2" and expect it to work, and that is the reason ports are more involved than most people think.

ToshiroOC

<bows>
<invites people to look at his previous posts and note that there are almost no one-liners>
<bows>
btw, I'm still bored. Someone PM me something to do please

Moe Szyslak · Dec 21, 2002, 12:33 PM

Hope it wont be laggy like GTA 3. Thats what ruined it for me. Graphics should be sweet though if the PS2 version is anything to go by

digitalwanderer · Dec 21, 2002, 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Nexus, reason its so hard to port games from consoles that are very un-PC-like (aka anything that isn't an Xbox) is because everything has been optimized to run on that particular console, and a lot of the time special console-specific functions are called, and for more complex graphics, they have to be rewritten to work with a video card instead of a graphics-oriented CPU in a console. Machine-level language is different to, so any hand-coded machine language would have to be totally redone, and then after all of this they have to do compatibility testing, because consoles have extremely limited changes in configuration, while there are hundreds of thousands of computers with different combinations of parts and software out there that should be able to run the game, and some of those won't for some strange reason or another, meaning that they have to write patches like crazy for the code to work on the different PC configurations. They also have to complete revamp the input system from a controller-based one to a mouse/keyboard based one, write protocols for key binding and all... The list goes on and on, and essentially, you can't just simply click a little option that says, "Compile for x86 PC" instead of "Compile for PS2" and expect it to work, and that is the reason ports are more involved than most people think.

ToshiroOC

<bows>
<invites people to look at his previous posts and note that there are almost no one-liners>
<bows>
btw, I'm still bored. Someone PM me something to do please

Good answer, you make most excellent and informative posts! I hope you stick around.

(BTW-Check your PMs.

)

DriveEuro · Dec 21, 2002, 06:24 PM

I didn't find GTA3 to be laggy on my PC.....

digitalwanderer · Dec 21, 2002, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
I didn't find GTA3 to be laggy on my PC.....

Nope, me neither. But that's because me and thee have viddy cards made by the company that makes video cards to play games, "The way it's meant to be played".

DriveEuro · Dec 21, 2002, 07:35 PM

Me and thee.........OK King Digs a Lot

sporkpimp · Dec 21, 2002, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DriveEuro
It's prolly cuz it will take so many damn CDs to play it on PC.

Hrm... I don't think so.
The nice thing about PC games is the myriad of compression options available, both texture and sound... I'm guessin' that VC's kickin' 80's soundtrack would do just fine as a series of, say, .ogg files (I can dream, can't I?) while taking up very little space... that's what they did with GTA3's radio, and they crammed all of that game onto 2 CDs... and CD1 was practically empty!

-SporkPimp

DriveEuro · Dec 21, 2002, 10:57 PM

Well true...

DonnoD · Dec 21, 2002, 11:34 PM

I think it's about time games came out on DVD-roms.

digitalwanderer · Dec 21, 2002, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DonnoD
I think it's about time games came out on DVD-roms.

Yeah, I thought they'd have been out for a while already. Why bundle 3-5 disk games when you could just shuck it all on a DVD? ("Cost, the fact that not everyone has a DVD drive, technical issues.." SHUT UP BRAIN! )

DriveEuro · Dec 22, 2002, 02:36 AM

Exactly, now people can actually use those DVD drives that come on their computers. When we bought our first PC that had a DVDROM drive on it I was like "wtf do I need a dvd drive for, so I can watch movies on this tiny 17" screen with friends....hell no!"....now those drive can be put to use.

ToshiroOC · Dec 22, 2002, 02:37 AM

I personally think that Doom III is going to come out on a DVD-ROM, because that alpha was monstrous file for such a small and limited level, with only a few of the many monstors and props that we are likely to see in the final version. Also, I don't think that they are going to be bothered by the fac that not everyon has a DVD drive, since Doom III is going to be a newest-and-greatest-computer-only sort of program, and most of those (I'm guessing) have DVD drives, and with such a great game on DVD, it might be the spark that rejuvenates not just the computer graphix/cpu upgrade market as people have been speculating, but also the standardization of DVD drives for all new computers...

ToshiroOC · Dec 23, 2002, 07:19 AM

It's been a whole day, so I figure im allowed to double-post here... About the GTA3lag, I have a severe case of it, sometimes even driving into parts of the city that are very obviously not totally loaded (textures/models nonexistent or LOD biased to squares with 64x64 textures)... but I know that in my case, its because my hard drive is to full and I can't fully defrag it, so it's been non-de-fragged for the past seven months or so. I think that a quick scan/defrag will get rid of a lot of your problems with GTA3 lag on the PC.

EDIT: Well, in reference to the post below, my new post was on a totally different aspect of the subject at hand, on a different day, and it wasn't a spamming 1 liner - it was decent sized, like the previous one, so I didn't see the problem, however, this is the first forum I've been in that I've heard the double-post rule explicitly said (though not in the official forum rules), so I'm not totally sure about this...

DriveEuro · Dec 23, 2002, 07:30 AM

Nah, you aren't supposed to double post.....you just edit you last post.....

p-nut84044 · Dec 24, 2002, 12:53 AM

can't wait to play it.

Mac Daddy · Dec 25, 2002, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Nope, me neither. But that's because me and thee have viddy cards made by the company that makes video cards to play games, "The way it's meant to be played".

Haa, Nvidia, I still have my GF2-400mmx, GTA3 runs smooth
Hope you chose G4 Dig, it works great we have one at our studio, as well as that other unmentioned stuff, it lags

Just being honest, and the competition for that card, hasnt even been released yet, makes you wonder, hmmmm

Mac Daddy · Dec 25, 2002, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by digitalwanderer
Good answer, you make most excellent and informative posts! I hope you stick around. (BTW-Check your PMs. )

I agree, its hard to read, but this guy knows what he's talking about

dmaister · Dec 28, 2002, 12:26 AM

it better not be another ugly port like gta 3, man i wish i ran perfect this time, well not perfect cause theres always hardware or software issues

ToshiroOC · Dec 28, 2002, 01:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mac Daddy
I agree, its hard to read, but this guy knows what he's talking about

Thanks, both of you. I am the sort of guy who loves to start projects, and rarely completes them

so I know some about a hell of a lot and I know a lot about very little

This happens to be one of the things I tried - I wanted to write an n64 porting program that would essentially take ROMS and convert them to x86 w. hardware accelerated 3d. I was doing ok up til the actual programming part (I had psudocode that looked good...), but then I realized I would have needed to spend a couple of years learning assembly before I could really get that hardware acceleration working well... so here I am, working though a few online ASM tutorials and going on to other projects. I'll probably get back around to it at some point...

ToshiroOC

Mac Daddy · Dec 28, 2002, 04:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Thanks, both of you. I am the sort of guy who loves to start projects, and rarely completes them so I know some about a hell of a lot and I know a lot about very little This happens to be one of the things I tried - I wanted to write an n64 porting program that would essentially take ROMS and convert them to x86 w. hardware accelerated 3d. I was doing ok up til the actual programming part (I had psudocode that looked good...), but then I realized I would have needed to spend a couple of years learning assembly before I could really get that hardware acceleration working well... so here I am, working though a few online ASM tutorials and going on to other projects. I'll probably get back around to it at some point...

ToshiroOC

Well I think you know a HELL a lot more than you give yourself credit for, as DIG and I have noticed

Maybe you should complete something, you have the smarts, No doubt there. Assember, NOW your speaking my language

I'm an EET, assembler, is my domain, let me know if we can help.
Don't mean me and Dig, mean me and Merry, my bud from across the seas, were both EET's.
My bud Louie6666, should be able to help as well
Both on leaves of absense, hope to see them soon, miss them here on DH

Well ToshiroOC wherever you from, Canada, England and Romania
Hope you fair well keep up your studies,
PM me if I can help

Dec 18, 2002, 09:43 PM	#2
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Dec 20, 2002, 01:19 PM	#6
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	:drools: Yes! I am sick and tired of using a damn controller to try and drive or aim - it just doesn't work. For some things you just need a computer, and GTA is one of them... ToshiroOC __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Dec 20, 2002, 06:35 PM	#8
Alcofiel electronic fantastic Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Rotterdam Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	it's pretty cool, but i have it on my ps2 and it just kicks ass. i like it better on a console. __________________ "i look back and i'm amazed, my thoughts were so clear and true and three words looped through my mind endlessly repeating themselves, like a broken record you're so cool, you're so cool, you're so cool...."

Dec 20, 2002, 11:13 PM	#9
Nexus -=Space Cowboy=- Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: NCV-474439-G Posts: 108 Rep Power: 0	whats the deal it cant be that hard to go from ps2 to pc. and they make the games on a pc in the first place so i dont see what they would have against puting it on the pc

Dec 20, 2002, 11:59 PM	#10
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	It's prolly cuz it will take so many damn CDs to play it on PC. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 18, 2002, 09:38 PM	#1
daHiVE DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: .at Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	GTA Vice City for PC? oh yeah baby!! just came across this little news item, which states that rockstar has confirmed a spring 2003 release for GTA Vice City PC! sigh of relief http://www.ggmania.com/#12688

Dec 18, 2002, 10:27 PM	Thread Starter #3
daHiVE DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: .at Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	hehe, well said

Dec 18, 2002, 10:29 PM	#4
Zarathustra Elite Bastard Join Date: May 2002 Location: The Confederacy Posts: 841 Rep Power: 0	Very cool, I guess they finally realized how many copies of this game they will sell

Dec 19, 2002, 10:29 AM	#5
sencaa DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: hell Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	yeh this is the best news i ever heard in last days,liked gta3 and will love gta vice city

Dec 20, 2002, 03:53 PM	#7
dipstick HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: USA Posts: 3,609 Rep Power: 71 System Specs	This is definitely good news. I just hope they take their time and do it right.

Dec 21, 2002, 12:27 AM	#11
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Nexus, reason its so hard to port games from consoles that are very un-PC-like (aka anything that isn't an Xbox) is because everything has been optimized to run on that particular console, and a lot of the time special console-specific functions are called, and for more complex graphics, they have to be rewritten to work with a video card instead of a graphics-oriented CPU in a console. Machine-level language is different to, so any hand-coded machine language would have to be totally redone, and then after all of this they have to do compatibility testing, because consoles have extremely limited changes in configuration, while there are hundreds of thousands of computers with different combinations of parts and software out there that should be able to run the game, and some of those won't for some strange reason or another, meaning that they have to write patches like crazy for the code to work on the different PC configurations. They also have to complete revamp the input system from a controller-based one to a mouse/keyboard based one, write protocols for key binding and all... The list goes on and on, and essentially, you can't just simply click a little option that says, "Compile for x86 PC" instead of "Compile for PS2" and expect it to work, and that is the reason ports are more involved than most people think. ToshiroOC <bows> <invites people to look at his previous posts and note that there are almost no one-liners> <bows> btw, I'm still bored. Someone PM me something to do please __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Dec 21, 2002, 12:33 PM	#12
Moe Szyslak DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 0	Hope it wont be laggy like GTA 3. Thats what ruined it for me. Graphics should be sweet though if the PS2 version is anything to go by

Dec 21, 2002, 06:24 PM	#14
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	I didn't find GTA3 to be laggy on my PC..... __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 21, 2002, 07:35 PM	#16
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Me and thee.........OK King Digs a Lot __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 21, 2002, 10:57 PM	#18
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Well true... __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 21, 2002, 11:34 PM	#19
DonnoD DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 41 Rep Power: 0	I think it's about time games came out on DVD-roms.

Dec 22, 2002, 02:36 AM	#21
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Exactly, now people can actually use those DVD drives that come on their computers. When we bought our first PC that had a DVDROM drive on it I was like "wtf do I need a dvd drive for, so I can watch movies on this tiny 17" screen with friends....hell no!"....now those drive can be put to use. __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 22, 2002, 02:37 AM	#22
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	I personally think that Doom III is going to come out on a DVD-ROM, because that alpha was monstrous file for such a small and limited level, with only a few of the many monstors and props that we are likely to see in the final version. Also, I don't think that they are going to be bothered by the fac that not everyon has a DVD drive, since Doom III is going to be a newest-and-greatest-computer-only sort of program, and most of those (I'm guessing) have DVD drives, and with such a great game on DVD, it might be the spark that rejuvenates not just the computer graphix/cpu upgrade market as people have been speculating, but also the standardization of DVD drives for all new computers... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Dec 23, 2002, 07:19 AM	#23
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	It's been a whole day, so I figure im allowed to double-post here... About the GTA3lag, I have a severe case of it, sometimes even driving into parts of the city that are very obviously not totally loaded (textures/models nonexistent or LOD biased to squares with 64x64 textures)... but I know that in my case, its because my hard drive is to full and I can't fully defrag it, so it's been non-de-fragged for the past seven months or so. I think that a quick scan/defrag will get rid of a lot of your problems with GTA3 lag on the PC. EDIT: Well, in reference to the post below, my new post was on a totally different aspect of the subject at hand, on a different day, and it wasn't a spamming 1 liner - it was decent sized, like the previous one, so I didn't see the problem, however, this is the first forum I've been in that I've heard the double-post rule explicitly said (though not in the official forum rules), so I'm not totally sure about this... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator) Last edited by ToshiroOC; Dec 23, 2002 at 07:32 AM.

Dec 23, 2002, 07:30 AM	#24
DriveEuro HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Gurnee Illinois Posts: 4,677 Rep Power: 0	Nah, you aren't supposed to double post.....you just edit you last post..... __________________ [color=orange]ASUS P4P800 Deluxe [color=black]-[/color] 2.4C --> 3300mhz [color=black]-[/color] Mushkin PC3200 at 220 5-2-2-2 (cpu limited) [color=black]-[/color] BBAti 9800Pro at 430/375 [/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]01[/color] [color=black]3[/color][color=gray]D[/color]M[color=black]a[/color][color=gray]r[/color]k[color=yellow]03[/color] 16001200 12801024

Dec 24, 2002, 12:53 AM	#25
p-nut84044 DriverHeaven Newbie Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: magna, ut Posts: 17 Rep Power: 0	can't wait to play it.

Dec 28, 2002, 12:26 AM	#28
dmaister I got 99 Problems Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 71 Rep Power: 0	it better not be another ugly port like gta 3, man i wish i ran perfect this time, well not perfect cause theres always hardware or software issues __________________ "The Man, The Legend"