Dungeon Siege fps drops...

jonis · Jan 2, 2003, 04:47 AM

Heya,

I've got a box as stated below, and when I run Dungeon Siege in multiplayer I, at certain positions in the game, get fps as low as 17! Average is around 40-50 in multi, everything display setting is set to max except gamma (default). Is this normal for my machine on this specific title?

UberLord · Jan 2, 2003, 11:52 AM

I got the same setup, but I'm using RAMBUS PC 4200's instead of DDR on an ASUS P4T533-C mobo. I've never seen the FPS drop below 40 running 1280x1024x32 FSAAx2 and Anisox16. All in game options are maxed

jonis · Jan 2, 2003, 03:53 PM

Hehe, lucky you then!

I think this might be related to me using Catalyst 2.5 w/ DX9 atm. Downgraded due to extreme stuttering probs...

Btw, 1280 resolution isnt even an option for me in display properties. Did you do anything special to be able to set it as high?

What version of the game are you running?

UberLord · Jan 2, 2003, 04:02 PM

Latest public patch. Regarding the stuttering, try turning down hardware acceleration found in Display Properties->Advanced->Troubleshooting. Then reboot. This fixed all known stuttering for me

That display mode is unsupported by the game - but you can force it via the command line.

See http://ds.heavengames.com/faq/general_faq.shtml for more details

jonis · Jan 3, 2003, 12:41 AM

Sweet, gonna try that screen res later.

I tried to lower hardware acceleration earlier, as an attempt to fix Cat3.0 before I downgraded. I still experience some stuttering though, maybe I oughta try it again. I think I didnt reboot last time, seemd like it wasnt needed... guess I'm wrong.

But, if that really helps then this must be a problem w/ DX9. Shouldn't it be an issue for M$ DX-team to fix then?

Btw, you using DX9 together w/ Cat3.0, Cat2.5 or Omegadrive's mix between the two? I tried Omegadrive's version earlier, but it didnt work well...

UberLord · Jan 3, 2003, 11:08 AM

I'm using DX9 and Cat 3.0's. I tend to stearr clear of non official stuff, including beta's and tweakers.

jonis · Jan 3, 2003, 04:15 PM

Yeah, same here... I never try betas or unofficial drivers, but when I get less stuttering/better performance out of my ol' geforce2, then I try anythin...

You didnt have any stuttering/performance problems w/ Cat3.0 or? Did lowering hardware acceleration fix all stuttering issues for you in both OpenGL and DX? Btw, you know if there's a way to run Dungeon Siege in OpenGL?

Thx for all replies, since yer setup is a close match to mine, I really appreciate it.

UberLord · Jan 6, 2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by jonis

You didnt have any stuttering/performance problems w/ Cat3.0 or?

Yes

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Did lowering hardware acceleration fix all stuttering issues for you in both OpenGL and DX?

Yes. Also fixed DVD accelerated playback

All the "stuttering" I have now is the game/demo's fault as it happens at the same point(s) with a Kyro2 and GeForce 256 SDR.

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Btw, you know if there's a way to run Dungeon Siege in OpenGL?

No you can't - but I'd ask why you'ed want to do that anyway. DirectX 8 is pretty decent and killed the age old argument of OpenGL has better colour saturation/definition. Just take a look at UT2003 - there's no difference in visual quality except that OpenGL isn't using any pixel shading.

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Thx for all replies, since yer setup is a close match to mine, I really appreciate it.

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jonis · Jan 6, 2003, 05:41 PM

haha

./me is putting 9700 pro on the shelf... reinstalling geforce2, cant stand this stuttering/non smooth feeling any longer...

UberLord · Jan 6, 2003, 11:32 PM

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Originally posted by jonis
haha

./me is putting 9700 pro on the shelf... reinstalling geforce2, cant stand this stuttering/non smooth feeling any longer...

Before you do, have you installed the Intel Application Accelerator 2.3?

ToshiroOC · Jan 8, 2003, 10:42 AM

Hmmm... have you also tried the Patented Uberlord trick of moving the hardware slider down one notch and lowering the hardware acceleration?

UberLord · Jan 8, 2003, 11:56 AM

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Originally posted by ToshiroOC
Hmmm... have you also tried the Patented Uberlord trick of moving the hardware slider down one notch and lowering the hardware acceleration?

I believe he said he did in another thread.

And credit where credit is due - I read about it over at Rage3D. Can't remember the poster, but his fix worked for me and unfortunately the thread died as no-one else tried it (lower acceleration? dude wtf! that ain't gonna fix it!) due to personality disorders

More and more people are finding that it actually works - of course some claim they don't need it and some claim it doesn't work so as always your mileage may vary

ToshiroOC · Jan 8, 2003, 12:01 PM

Ah - which other thread? Also, don't worry - here in DH, you are the one who showed us the way

so it's your trick - over at Rage3d, it's a different story I bet... and I can understand what you are saying about, er, personality disorders. [H]ordes of schizo's abound at one particular unnamed forum

...

Necrosis · Jan 8, 2003, 02:39 PM

Hmm.

You also might try changing the AGP voltage to 1.6, that sure cured most of my issues.

No_Style · Jan 13, 2003, 04:26 AM

How? Game options say only that. I just installed the game as of late. So I haven't gone all out with the tweaking

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 01:05 PM

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Originally posted by No_Style
How? Game options say only that. I just installed the game as of late. So I haven't gone all out with the tweaking

There's a commandline option to force any screen mode. But I can't find the article online anymore

The_Neon_Cowboy · Jan 13, 2003, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by No_Style
How? Game options say only that. I just installed the game as of late. So I haven't gone all out with the tweaking

Command-Line Parameters
EXAMPLE: "C:\Dungeon Siege\DungeonSiege.exe" nointro=true

Play at High Resolutions
However, be aware that these resolutions are not supported, so you may run into glitches or artifacts. You will also receive and error notification when you first start playing. To activate the resolutions, use the following command-line parameters. You can try other settings if your video card/monitor support them, just use the same format:

1152x864: height=1154 width=864
1280x1024: height=1024 width=1280
1600x1200: height=1200 width=1600

UberLord · Jan 13, 2003, 02:59 PM

Thems the chappies!

Jan 2, 2003, 04:47 AM	#1
jonis Alien mindbender Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 539 Rep Power: 0	Dungeon Siege fps drops... Heya, I've got a box as stated below, and when I run Dungeon Siege in multiplayer I, at certain positions in the game, get fps as low as 17! Average is around 40-50 in multi, everything display setting is set to max except gamma (default). Is this normal for my machine on this specific title? __________________ [color=yellow]P4 2.533GHz 533MHz \| 2 x Samsung 512MB PC2700 (1GB) \| Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro \| ASUS P4S8X (fw v1.005) \| SB Audigy Platinum WDC 120GB SE (8MB buffer) x 2 \| M$ intellimouse Explorer 3.0 \| WinXP SP-1 \| DX 9.0c & CATs 5.10 \| Viewsonic VP191b (19" TFT)[/color]

Jan 2, 2003, 11:52 AM	#2
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	I got the same setup, but I'm using RAMBUS PC 4200's instead of DDR on an ASUS P4T533-C mobo. I've never seen the FPS drop below 40 running 1280x1024x32 FSAAx2 and Anisox16. All in game options are maxed __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jan 2, 2003, 03:53 PM	Thread Starter #3
jonis Alien mindbender Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 539 Rep Power: 0	Hehe, lucky you then! I think this might be related to me using Catalyst 2.5 w/ DX9 atm. Downgraded due to extreme stuttering probs... Btw, 1280 resolution isnt even an option for me in display properties. Did you do anything special to be able to set it as high? What version of the game are you running? __________________ [color=yellow]P4 2.533GHz 533MHz \| 2 x Samsung 512MB PC2700 (1GB) \| Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro \| ASUS P4S8X (fw v1.005) \| SB Audigy Platinum WDC 120GB SE (8MB buffer) x 2 \| M$ intellimouse Explorer 3.0 \| WinXP SP-1 \| DX 9.0c & CATs 5.10 \| Viewsonic VP191b (19" TFT)[/color]

Jan 2, 2003, 04:02 PM	#4
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Latest public patch. Regarding the stuttering, try turning down hardware acceleration found in Display Properties->Advanced->Troubleshooting. Then reboot. This fixed all known stuttering for me That display mode is unsupported by the game - but you can force it via the command line. See http://ds.heavengames.com/faq/general_faq.shtml for more details __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jan 3, 2003, 12:41 AM	Thread Starter #5
jonis Alien mindbender Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 539 Rep Power: 0	Sweet, gonna try that screen res later. I tried to lower hardware acceleration earlier, as an attempt to fix Cat3.0 before I downgraded. I still experience some stuttering though, maybe I oughta try it again. I think I didnt reboot last time, seemd like it wasnt needed... guess I'm wrong. But, if that really helps then this must be a problem w/ DX9. Shouldn't it be an issue for M$ DX-team to fix then? Btw, you using DX9 together w/ Cat3.0, Cat2.5 or Omegadrive's mix between the two? I tried Omegadrive's version earlier, but it didnt work well... __________________ [color=yellow]P4 2.533GHz 533MHz \| 2 x Samsung 512MB PC2700 (1GB) \| Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro \| ASUS P4S8X (fw v1.005) \| SB Audigy Platinum WDC 120GB SE (8MB buffer) x 2 \| M$ intellimouse Explorer 3.0 \| WinXP SP-1 \| DX 9.0c & CATs 5.10 \| Viewsonic VP191b (19" TFT)[/color]

Jan 3, 2003, 11:08 AM	#6
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	I'm using DX9 and Cat 3.0's. I tend to stearr clear of non official stuff, including beta's and tweakers. __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

Jan 3, 2003, 04:15 PM	Thread Starter #7
jonis Alien mindbender Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 539 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, same here... I never try betas or unofficial drivers, but when I get less stuttering/better performance out of my ol' geforce2, then I try anythin... You didnt have any stuttering/performance problems w/ Cat3.0 or? Did lowering hardware acceleration fix all stuttering issues for you in both OpenGL and DX? Btw, you know if there's a way to run Dungeon Siege in OpenGL? Thx for all replies, since yer setup is a close match to mine, I really appreciate it. __________________ [color=yellow]P4 2.533GHz 533MHz \| 2 x Samsung 512MB PC2700 (1GB) \| Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro \| ASUS P4S8X (fw v1.005) \| SB Audigy Platinum WDC 120GB SE (8MB buffer) x 2 \| M$ intellimouse Explorer 3.0 \| WinXP SP-1 \| DX 9.0c & CATs 5.10 \| Viewsonic VP191b (19" TFT)[/color]

Jan 6, 2003, 05:41 PM	Thread Starter #9
jonis Alien mindbender Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Valhalla Posts: 539 Rep Power: 0	haha ./me is putting 9700 pro on the shelf... reinstalling geforce2, cant stand this stuttering/non smooth feeling any longer... __________________ [color=yellow]P4 2.533GHz 533MHz \| 2 x Samsung 512MB PC2700 (1GB) \| Hercules 3D Prophet 9700 Pro \| ASUS P4S8X (fw v1.005) \| SB Audigy Platinum WDC 120GB SE (8MB buffer) x 2 \| M$ intellimouse Explorer 3.0 \| WinXP SP-1 \| DX 9.0c & CATs 5.10 \| Viewsonic VP191b (19" TFT)[/color]

Jan 8, 2003, 10:42 AM	#11
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Hmmm... have you also tried the Patented Uberlord trick of moving the hardware slider down one notch and lowering the hardware acceleration? __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 8, 2003, 12:01 PM	#13
ToshiroOC Unbiased. Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 4,812 Rep Power: 0	Ah - which other thread? Also, don't worry - here in DH, you are the one who showed us the way so it's your trick - over at Rage3d, it's a different story I bet... and I can understand what you are saying about, er, personality disorders. [H]ordes of schizo's abound at one particular unnamed forum ... __________________ [img][/img] [color=White]Peace be with you, Joe.[/color] Driverheaven Staff Member (Supermoderator)

Jan 8, 2003, 02:39 PM	#14
Necrosis HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,838 Rep Power: 131 System Specs	Hmm. You also might try changing the AGP voltage to 1.6, that sure cured most of my issues.

Jan 13, 2003, 04:26 AM	#15
No_Style Styleless Wonder Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Posts: 6,034 Rep Power: 0	Dungeon Siege can be ran beyond 1024 x 768?! How? Game options say only that. I just installed the game as of late. So I haven't gone all out with the tweaking __________________ "The Best Style Is No Style" Specifications Here

Jan 13, 2003, 02:59 PM	#18
UberLord A Legend in Underwear Join Date: May 2002 Location: Unknown Posts: 5,255 Rep Power: 0	Thems the chappies! __________________ Gentoo Linux - Developer (baselayout) Read my blog "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts