shootout: Quake4 vs FEAR

Sandok · Oct 23, 2005, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

So Sandok, play F.E.A.R., then you can come back and bad mouth it k?

You know very well my point of view won't have changed... Fine I won't say anything and come back in about 4 hours once the whole game is done

Sorry...

(and why are you flaming me? PJ also is based off the demo!)

SFOSOK · Oct 23, 2005, 08:32 AM

I'm not flaming, its just advice. I'm not telling you to do anything.

Just seems you would have more of a valid point if you actually played some of the actual game. Got to that big heart thingy. Is it made of metal? cause when I shot it sparks came out. Graphics in the game seem to get better ass I progress though I long for some open spaces.

Sandok · Oct 23, 2005, 08:55 AM

Well I can judge graphics through a demo too

I found it amazingly hot but the moment you turn down the few amazing settings, the game is absolutely hideous. It's gorgeous though, I agree. The bullet holes, the gore, the effects, etc but it's not that great. I find the Doom engine better or even the Half Life 2 engine better.

And it doesn't run that well either. I mean, I barely churn out enough frames but hell, some people got the money for a 7800 gtx... I ain't lucky enough. So you don't know what I'm talking about

SFOSOK · Oct 23, 2005, 09:16 AM

I ran the demo fine with my 5900XT and a crap system. It was laggy and on Medium, but the gameplay was still there. I understand where your coming from though. Most of the main points you make against the game were in the demo. Though the demo is significantly different than the actual game. The MP demo is pretty much the same in the game. No PB or anything kinda makes playing it pointless after a while on a lot of servers. Despite its flaws F.E.A.R. has its amazing unscripted moments that just surprise you or freak the hell out of you. HL2 is all pretty much scripted Gameplay. Quake 4 is a little better but its all pretty much script cause you know exactly wher ethe enemy is coming from. In F.E.A.R. you can run into a room and not know what the hell is goin to happen and if you go in too fast guns a blazing your dead. F.E.A.R. just provides tose great moments that surprise many people especially in combat. Playing F.E.A.R. for the first time after the demo (when I bought it) I pretty much came into the game thinking I know their tricks there is no way they could own me. So I put it on the hardest difficulty (the only difference in difficulty is damage and accuracy they do to you instead of restricting the AI). The game is very rewarding in battle situations and the AI does not know exactly where you are and does not track you through walls. The invisible guys are nuts and they have different variants of the replica forces that are better armed and look like they are better trained. If you also notice certian types of clones troops do different jobs. Some secure areas, some Search and destroy, and some defend an objective.

Sandok · Oct 23, 2005, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SFOSOK

The game is very rewarding in battle situations and the AI does not know exactly where you are and does not track you through walls.

I'm sorry but I don't think many games are invisibale wallhacking thingys...

Far Cry has amazing AI anad would search and explore to find you.

HL2 was great with the combine really getting cover and flanking you and everything.

Quake is still okay with them flanking and everything though they are kamaikazee..

Q4 doesn't have the best AI but FEAR has nothing great. I mean, they push a table... HL2 they do that too. They flank, so do they in HL2 and Far Cry. They autmoatically get into vehincales to chase you (nope but in Far Cry, yes) so please, PLAY some other games before you say that FEAR has the most amazing AI ever.

SFOSOK · Oct 23, 2005, 10:36 AM

Play it.

Edit: I have every game u listed also, none of them surprised me once.

Sandok · Oct 23, 2005, 10:43 AM

Well you see, you got weird tastes.

Farcry was the first good game in a while, then HL2 just blew everyone's socks off and won game of the year.

You'll see, FEAR won't win game of the year ever. It's good but nothing great... And don't worry, I'll get it soon.

And dude, you can still get the gist of a game via a demo so stop trying to act smart... A demo is a way to show what the FULL game is like.

Gameplay
Sound
Graphics
Level Design

ALL OF IT is the same in the full version. -_-

SFOSOK · Oct 23, 2005, 10:50 AM

I'm not saying F.E.A.R. is game of the Year material, I'm just saying it is not crappy.

This pointless to argue in a forum about video games because everyone is just as stubborn as I am.

Sandok · Oct 23, 2005, 11:05 AM

I never said the game is crappy. I said it's good but nothing great. Difference.

Zardon · Oct 23, 2005, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandok

I never said the game is crappy. I said it's good but nothing great. Difference.

I agree, it seems to me to be more an unfinished technology demo, quite like Doom3 was all those months ago. Anyway I think you guys have made your views quite clear, getting in the last word wont really make much of a difference, its all about personal taste and it is nice hearing other peoples views on the matter

ViRuS2k · Oct 23, 2005, 02:55 PM

hehe

just shows that everyones tastes are diffrent.

my points are this. fear and quake 4 are diffrent games on the fps aspect is the same.

fear is awsome dont get me wrong but 2 parts of it realy annoyed me
1: all the area`s in the game all looked fimilure hardly no veriety.
and 2: very very unoptomized game *x800-850 hardware sutter like there is no tommorow.

and quake 4 is what doom 3 should have been.
quake 4 has veriety and diffrent loctions, more guns, better optimized for gaming pleasure....

all in all there both great games but im not going to get into a war over what one is better lol
they both gave me joy, end of story.

i will speak a little about quake 4 though its the best FPS i have played this year *its actualy my GAME OF THE YEAR 2005*

Sandok · Oct 23, 2005, 03:06 PM

Hey, don't forget that Cod 2 is still coming and so on... The year ain't over yet

SFOSOK · Oct 23, 2005, 10:17 PM

Oblivion is right around the corner also.

jsx[ifl] · Oct 23, 2005, 10:34 PM

Finished Q4 and FEAR in the same day

I found them both fun in their own way, but oddly similar. Clones, Genetic freaks being mass produced! Dark hallways and a big gun

Stories were both terrible and the games were sadly predictable. Level of difficulty made no difference, tore through the hordes with ease. Both games are good if you have some time to kill, if you're looking for some serious game time I'd recommend a replay of Far Cry for the 10,000th time

Zardon · Oct 23, 2005, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ViRuS2k

i will speak a little about quake 4 though its the best FPS i have played this year *its actualy my GAME OF THE YEAR 2005*

I agree

BulletTheory · Oct 24, 2005, 02:34 AM

Question : Is the MultiPlayer good? cuz I might get the game.. Another one, will the make a demo for it cuz I wanna try before buying na'mean!

MythicaL · Oct 24, 2005, 04:45 AM

So far, I completely agree with everything Zardon has said about the two games =) Use your brains people, realize the truth!

SFOSOK · Oct 24, 2005, 06:43 AM

If you liked Quake 3 Arena you will probably like the multi. I know some die hard quake fans who have been to CPL a couple times that think it is nothing like Quake 3 and also say it has the same net Code as Doom3 multi. Its still pretty fun though, but I tihnk if your buyin quake it should probably be for the single player more than the multiplayer.

BulletTheory · Oct 24, 2005, 04:38 PM

I bought FEAR for both SP & MP but I might buy Q4 for MP :P I liked Q3A but yeah there will be nothing like it :P

ViRuS2k · Oct 24, 2005, 04:48 PM

I just took my FEAR back to the shop today and purchased

QUAKE 4 SPECIAL EDITION

im well impressed in every way with this game.

clicker666 · Oct 25, 2005, 01:39 AM

I finished FEAR. Loved it, excellent atmosphere, great graphics, smart(er than normal) enemies, didn't want to put it down. I was disappointed when it ended FAR too soon. I had to say I was a little disappointed with the level design too. It did become a tad monotonous after a while, but the enemies and worries of the little ring chick popping up kept me on the edge of my seat.

Quake 4. Started playing it as soon as I finished FEAR. Loving it so far. Great graphics, nice shoot 'em up action. Totally different ball of wax from FEAR. Shoot lots of bullets at targets. Enough bullets kills anything. In FEAR I tended to be more conservative in my approach - not blindly running into rooms, etc. In Quake, bah! Run in, circle strafe, keep going. hehe...

I think there's room for the two. I think they're different enough games to give most people a lot of fun. I would certainly wait until FEAR hit the bargain bins though, or at least a sale, it's not enough game for the price it costs. Fun, but too brief.

Sargentwhitey · Oct 25, 2005, 04:07 AM

I just started playing Quake 4 on Saturday and I just can't seem to get into it like I did with FEAR. FEAR kept me hooked in the entire time, I just never stopped until I beat the game. Hopefully Quake 4 will get better

Mr cairo · Oct 27, 2005, 06:32 PM

does fear ever actually leave the office block enviroment ..... i feel like im playing a scary die hard at the moment

Zardon · Oct 27, 2005, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cairo

does fear ever actually leave the office block enviroment ..... i feel like im playing a scary die hard at the moment

nope, same the whole way through basically with the odd outdoor bit, if they altered the level design it would have been 10x the game it is now.

clicker666 · Oct 27, 2005, 06:41 PM

Sadly, I have to agree. I'm wishing I could get attached to Quake 4 as I did to FEAR, but I've managed not to play it for two days now. I don't think I could have done that with FEAR. Alas, I'll never know, since I finished it in about 15 hours.

Good game, too short!

Vikingod · Oct 27, 2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Sargentwhitey

I just started playing Quake 4 on Saturday and I just can't seem to get into it like I did with FEAR. FEAR kept me hooked in the entire time, I just never stopped until I beat the game. Hopefully Quake 4 will get better

it does. I felt the same way about it, in the beginning it was good, but nothing great, but the game builds and gets better. First game since HL2 or maybe even COD that I felt like that for. FEAR on the other hand starts out good, and doesn't really change at all through the game. It doesn't get more interesting, or less interestnig, it just stays stangnent.

Zardon · Oct 27, 2005, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by clicker666

Good game, too short!

I was glad it was over to be honest, I felt like I was playing the first level for about 12 hours. I liked the ending and the sequence which will obviously lead into another game, but hopefully next time they realise that people generally tend to like a little variation in level design. im not asking for huge variation but even seeing a little grass or change from square rooms and stairs would be refreshing.

clicker666 · Oct 27, 2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Zardon

I was glad it was over to be honest, I felt like I was playing the first level for about 12 hours. I liked the ending and the sequence which will obviously lead into another game, but hopefully next time they realise that people generally tend to like a little variation in level design. im not asking for huge variation but even seeing a little grass or change from square rooms and stairs would be refreshing.

I hope they definitely throw some more varied design in there next time as well. I think they were on the right track, but it obviously needs more.

Something it will need less of - hype. With all the hype surrounding many games, it's really hard for them to live up to the customer's expectations....

Zardon · Oct 27, 2005, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by clicker666

I hope they definitely throw some more varied design in there next time as well. I think they were on the right track, but it obviously needs more.

Something it will need less of - hype. With all the hype surrounding many games, it's really hard for them to live up to the customer's expectations....

I totally agree, the core code and the implementation of F.E.A.R. was truly excellent and overall it is a game worthwhile playing , it is just so hard after so many hours playing to feel excitement when the levels really all do merge into one mess of corridoors and rooms, at least the ending was very different and IMO excellent. I have high hopes for future titles using this engine, much like I did when the boring Doom3 hit retail, after all we now have Quake4, a wonderful title using that technology.

Oct 23, 2005, 08:32 AM	#32
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I'm not flaming, its just advice. I'm not telling you to do anything. Just seems you would have more of a valid point if you actually played some of the actual game. Got to that big heart thingy. Is it made of metal? cause when I shot it sparks came out. Graphics in the game seem to get better ass I progress though I long for some open spaces. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 23, 2005, 09:16 AM	#34
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I ran the demo fine with my 5900XT and a crap system. It was laggy and on Medium, but the gameplay was still there. I understand where your coming from though. Most of the main points you make against the game were in the demo. Though the demo is significantly different than the actual game. The MP demo is pretty much the same in the game. No PB or anything kinda makes playing it pointless after a while on a lot of servers. Despite its flaws F.E.A.R. has its amazing unscripted moments that just surprise you or freak the hell out of you. HL2 is all pretty much scripted Gameplay. Quake 4 is a little better but its all pretty much script cause you know exactly wher ethe enemy is coming from. In F.E.A.R. you can run into a room and not know what the hell is goin to happen and if you go in too fast guns a blazing your dead. F.E.A.R. just provides tose great moments that surprise many people especially in combat. Playing F.E.A.R. for the first time after the demo (when I bought it) I pretty much came into the game thinking I know their tricks there is no way they could own me. So I put it on the hardest difficulty (the only difference in difficulty is damage and accuracy they do to you instead of restricting the AI). The game is very rewarding in battle situations and the AI does not know exactly where you are and does not track you through walls. The invisible guys are nuts and they have different variants of the replica forces that are better armed and look like they are better trained. If you also notice certian types of clones troops do different jobs. Some secure areas, some Search and destroy, and some defend an objective. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 23, 2005, 10:36 AM	#36
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Play it. Edit: I have every game u listed also, none of them surprised me once. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 23, 2005, 10:50 AM	#38
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	I'm not saying F.E.A.R. is game of the Year material, I'm just saying it is not crappy. This pointless to argue in a forum about video games because everyone is just as stubborn as I am. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 23, 2005, 10:17 PM	#43
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	Oblivion is right around the corner also. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 23, 2005, 08:55 AM	#33
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Well I can judge graphics through a demo too I found it amazingly hot but the moment you turn down the few amazing settings, the game is absolutely hideous. It's gorgeous though, I agree. The bullet holes, the gore, the effects, etc but it's not that great. I find the Doom engine better or even the Half Life 2 engine better. And it doesn't run that well either. I mean, I barely churn out enough frames but hell, some people got the money for a 7800 gtx... I ain't lucky enough. So you don't know what I'm talking about

Oct 23, 2005, 10:43 AM	#37
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Well you see, you got weird tastes. Farcry was the first good game in a while, then HL2 just blew everyone's socks off and won game of the year. You'll see, FEAR won't win game of the year ever. It's good but nothing great... And don't worry, I'll get it soon. And dude, you can still get the gist of a game via a demo so stop trying to act smart... A demo is a way to show what the FULL game is like. Gameplay Sound Graphics Level Design ALL OF IT is the same in the full version. -_-

Oct 23, 2005, 11:05 AM	#39
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	I never said the game is crappy. I said it's good but nothing great. Difference.

Oct 23, 2005, 02:55 PM	#41
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	hehe just shows that everyones tastes are diffrent. my points are this. fear and quake 4 are diffrent games on the fps aspect is the same. fear is awsome dont get me wrong but 2 parts of it realy annoyed me 1: all the area`s in the game all looked fimilure hardly no veriety. and 2: very very unoptomized game x800-850 hardware sutter like there is no tommorow. and quake 4 is what doom 3 should have been. quake 4 has veriety and diffrent loctions, more guns, better optimized for gaming pleasure.... all in all there both great games but im not going to get into a war over what one is better lol they both gave me joy, end of story. i will speak a little about quake 4 though its the best FPS i have played this year its actualy my GAME OF THE YEAR 2005*

Oct 23, 2005, 03:06 PM	#42
Sandok DriverHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 9,472 Rep Power: 0	Hey, don't forget that Cod 2 is still coming and so on... The year ain't over yet

Oct 23, 2005, 10:34 PM	#44
jsx[ifl] DH's Unofficial Hero Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 650 Rep Power: 0	Finished Q4 and FEAR in the same day I found them both fun in their own way, but oddly similar. Clones, Genetic freaks being mass produced! Dark hallways and a big gun Stories were both terrible and the games were sadly predictable. Level of difficulty made no difference, tore through the hordes with ease. Both games are good if you have some time to kill, if you're looking for some serious game time I'd recommend a replay of Far Cry for the 10,000th time __________________ [color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray][color=DarkRed][color=Gray] [/color][/color] [/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color][/color]

Oct 24, 2005, 02:34 AM	#46
BulletTheory Forgiveness is a Six Gun Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,329 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	Question : Is the MultiPlayer good? cuz I might get the game.. Another one, will the make a demo for it cuz I wanna try before buying na'mean! __________________ Asus P8Z68-Pro \| Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4Ghz \| Asus GTX580 Matrix @ 940/4630 \| 8GB Corsair Vengence \| Intel 510 120GB SSD WD Black 1TB \| Corsair AX750W PSU \| Corsair Obsidian 650D Case \| Samsung 245bw 24inch LCD Razer Lycosa \| Razer Imperator \| Razer Goliathus Extended Edition \| Razer Megalodon Headset

Oct 24, 2005, 04:45 AM	#47
MythicaL I like computers. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In front of a monitor Posts: 3,399 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	So far, I completely agree with everything Zardon has said about the two games =) Use your brains people, realize the truth! __________________ Always knew I didn't belong in this world. I wasn't made for this. But I'll never forget those who betrayed me, and those who never failed my trust.

Oct 24, 2005, 06:43 AM	#48
SFOSOK 939 Goin Strong Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ontario Posts: 7,033 Rep Power: 90 System Specs	If you liked Quake 3 Arena you will probably like the multi. I know some die hard quake fans who have been to CPL a couple times that think it is nothing like Quake 3 and also say it has the same net Code as Doom3 multi. Its still pretty fun though, but I tihnk if your buyin quake it should probably be for the single player more than the multiplayer. __________________ Warning - Explicit Content Preceeding METAL!!

Oct 24, 2005, 04:38 PM	#49
BulletTheory Forgiveness is a Six Gun Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,329 Rep Power: 55 System Specs	I bought FEAR for both SP & MP but I might buy Q4 for MP :P I liked Q3A but yeah there will be nothing like it :P __________________ Asus P8Z68-Pro \| Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4Ghz \| Asus GTX580 Matrix @ 940/4630 \| 8GB Corsair Vengence \| Intel 510 120GB SSD WD Black 1TB \| Corsair AX750W PSU \| Corsair Obsidian 650D Case \| Samsung 245bw 24inch LCD Razer Lycosa \| Razer Imperator \| Razer Goliathus Extended Edition \| Razer Megalodon Headset

Oct 24, 2005, 04:48 PM	#50
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	I just took my FEAR back to the shop today and purchased QUAKE 4 SPECIAL EDITION im well impressed in every way with this game.

Oct 25, 2005, 01:39 AM	#51
clicker666 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 327 Rep Power: 0	I finished FEAR. Loved it, excellent atmosphere, great graphics, smart(er than normal) enemies, didn't want to put it down. I was disappointed when it ended FAR too soon. I had to say I was a little disappointed with the level design too. It did become a tad monotonous after a while, but the enemies and worries of the little ring chick popping up kept me on the edge of my seat. Quake 4. Started playing it as soon as I finished FEAR. Loving it so far. Great graphics, nice shoot 'em up action. Totally different ball of wax from FEAR. Shoot lots of bullets at targets. Enough bullets kills anything. In FEAR I tended to be more conservative in my approach - not blindly running into rooms, etc. In Quake, bah! Run in, circle strafe, keep going. hehe... I think there's room for the two. I think they're different enough games to give most people a lot of fun. I would certainly wait until FEAR hit the bargain bins though, or at least a sale, it's not enough game for the price it costs. Fun, but too brief. __________________

Oct 25, 2005, 04:07 AM	#52
Sargentwhitey Has a JOB.. Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 1,473 Rep Power: 0	I just started playing Quake 4 on Saturday and I just can't seem to get into it like I did with FEAR. FEAR kept me hooked in the entire time, I just never stopped until I beat the game. Hopefully Quake 4 will get better __________________ Mobile:Intel Celeron M 1.5GHz, 40GB WD, 1GB PC24000, Intel Mediocre Graphics 2, SB Audigy 2 Notebook

Oct 27, 2005, 06:32 PM	#53
Mr cairo F0rum For Humans Only Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Slightly to the left Posts: 1,780 Rep Power: 92 System Specs	does fear ever actually leave the office block enviroment ..... i feel like im playing a scary die hard at the moment __________________ *Please consider Sponsoring my wife for the race for life*

Oct 27, 2005, 06:41 PM	#55
clicker666 DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lower Sackville, Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 327 Rep Power: 0	Sadly, I have to agree. I'm wishing I could get attached to Quake 4 as I did to FEAR, but I've managed not to play it for two days now. I don't think I could have done that with FEAR. Alas, I'll never know, since I finished it in about 15 hours. Good game, too short! __________________