GAMES LIST! shader v3.0 or HDR !

ViRuS2k · Dec 12, 2005, 02:35 AM

GAMES LIST SO FAR THAT SUPPORT HDR or SHADER 3.0:

Farcry
HL2 Lost Coast
Age of Empires 3
Day of Defeat source
Counter strike source
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Serious Sam II
FEAR

Games list so far, keep them coming guys, as this is very usefull information.
I will keep this thread updated. *would a mod/admin mind pinning this page*

GRAPHICS CARDS THAT SUPPORT SHADER v3.0 or HDR

(ATI SM3.0/HDR Cards)
ATI X1800XT 512/256 !
ATI X1600XT 512/256 ! BASICLY ONLY THE Xk1 Series from ATI SUPPORTS THESE FEATURES
ATI X1300XT 512/256 !
ATI X8xx *HDR ONLY*

(NVIDIA SM3.0/HDR Cards)
NVIDIA 7800GTX 512/256 !
NVIDIA 7800GT 256 !
NVIDIA 6800 ULTRA 256 !
NVIDIA 6800 GT 256 !
Also: 6XXX (68XX, 6600, 6200) Cards

-J_B- · Dec 12, 2005, 03:16 AM

Farcry, HL2 Lost Coast, Age of Empires 3 (?) DOD:S, CSS, Cant think of any others.

pr0digal jenius · Dec 12, 2005, 04:13 AM

Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Serious Sam II, FEAR, and i BELIEVE doom 3/quake 4 have sm3.0 as well

Dyre Straits · Dec 12, 2005, 07:31 AM

A very good thread with a nice question deserves a follow-up question:

Just which current video cards actually support SM 3.0? Might be a nice handy list to have around.

ViRuS2k · Dec 12, 2005, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dyre Straits

A very good thread with a nice question deserves a follow-up question:

Just which current video cards actually support SM 3.0? Might be a nice handy list to have around.

Added: if you know of anymore let me know

that goes for everyone aswell.

lets keep this going as its very usefull to know and have as these new HDR and SM3.0 are great eye candy features.

Duranix · Dec 12, 2005, 09:29 AM

Cards That support HDR

Any Nvidia card That begins with: 6xxx (6800, 6600, 6200) and 7xxx

Any ATI card that begins with X1xxx (x1800, x1600, x1300)

ViRuS2k · Dec 12, 2005, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duranix

Cards That support HDR

Any Nvidia card That begins with: 6xxx (6800, 6600, 6200) and 7xxx

Any ATI card that begins with X1xxx (x1800, x1600, x1300)

updated again thanks.

ok thats all the cards added i think.
now people reply with games you know are comming out that support SM3.0 or HDR or both aswell as current games that support them.

Dragunov · Dec 12, 2005, 09:52 AM

Need for Speed: Most Wanted ??

Greetz

Dragunov

ViRuS2k · Dec 12, 2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragunov

Need for Speed: Most Wanted ??

Greetz

Dragunov

i dont think this game uses it.
i think what it does though is use some form of filter Blooming effect to give off the presence of heat or haze. might i add its a good trick but i dont think its HDR or Sm3.0.
i could be wrong, can anyone clear this one up. ?

PolygonParadox · Dec 12, 2005, 03:38 PM

Doom3/Quake4 are Opengl and unless I am mistaken do not have either HDR or SM3 in game. Is it supported in the engine and just not being utilized yet?

cswiger · Dec 12, 2005, 05:03 PM

The ATI x800 series will support HDR but not SM3.0; I've got HDR rendering available and working well in SC3:CT and HL2:Lost Coast, CSS, & friends. I gotta go back and reply Far Cry sometime soon, and see how that looks.

I'd imagine this is also true of the other x*00 models like the x600 as well.

MSX · Dec 12, 2005, 05:45 PM

Yeah, the cards he's listing are sm3.0 cards. HDR can be done with 2.0(and I'm sure 1.x by a tenatious programmer) so I'm guessing he's listing cards that can do both, when he should just say the sm3.0 capable cards to avoid confusion.

The problem is SM3.0 is not that much of a leap over SM2.0. 3.0 Is more of a revision of code than adding of new features. The code is faster and easier to use, but provides little better image quality.

pr0digal jenius · Dec 12, 2005, 07:18 PM

the 'faster' being the important part

It tends to be sued largely in water, glass, and lighting/shadow effects, which can all be done similarly well in 2.0, but it does look different. The main issue is many developers are leaving out alternate 2.0 code, so if you can't do 3.0, it's reverting you to 1.1

cswiger · Dec 14, 2005, 05:53 AM

People seem to be using the term "HDR" to mean different things, and some of those capabilities can be done with older hardware (generally involving an extra pass or two, ie, the HL2-style "overbrightness", which allows really bright lights to make objects brighter by a certain ratio, and vice-versa for really dim objects. In other words, you can represent pixel values with a brightness (or luminesence) beyond 0.0 to 1.0. You can accomplish this to do "light glowing" or "motion blurring" without SM3 and/or FP16 texture support, but having those helps.

Other people use HDR to strictly refer to supporting various floating point texture formats (see http://www.openexr.com/), which can represent a broader contrast range than your common 24/32-bit RGB-888 or ARGB-8888 formats and/or DXT1 compressed textures. In theory you ought to have a RAMDAC and output device which can do more than 8-bits per channel, at least 10-bits for the newer IL&M/THX movies, and/or supporting fp16.

There's another pretty good document about HDR here (big PDF file):

http://download.nvidia.com/developer...eagues_HDR.pdf

MythicaL · Dec 14, 2005, 06:41 AM

Noob question, but what's the advantage of SM3.0 over the previous versions?

Edit: Nm, you pretty much answered it... but I can't delete the post for some reason =|

Dec 12, 2005, 02:35 AM	#1
ViRuS2k HardwareHeaven Extreme Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Uk Posts: 8,334 Rep Power: 0 System Specs	GAMES LIST! shader v3.0 or HDR ! GAMES LIST SO FAR THAT SUPPORT HDR or SHADER 3.0: Farcry HL2 Lost Coast Age of Empires 3 Day of Defeat source Counter strike source Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Serious Sam II FEAR Games list so far, keep them coming guys, as this is very usefull information. I will keep this thread updated. would a mod/admin mind pinning this page GRAPHICS CARDS THAT SUPPORT SHADER v3.0 or HDR (ATI SM3.0/HDR Cards) ATI X1800XT 512/256 ! ATI X1600XT 512/256 ! BASICLY ONLY THE Xk1 Series from ATI SUPPORTS THESE FEATURES ATI X1300XT 512/256 ! ATI X8xx HDR ONLY (NVIDIA SM3.0/HDR Cards) NVIDIA 7800GTX 512/256 ! NVIDIA 7800GT 256 ! NVIDIA 6800 ULTRA 256 ! NVIDIA 6800 GT 256 ! Also: 6XXX (68XX, 6600, 6200) Cards Last edited by ViRuS2k; Dec 12, 2005 at 07:08 PM.

Dec 12, 2005, 03:16 AM	#2
-J_B- DriverHeaven Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 89 Rep Power: 0	Farcry, HL2 Lost Coast, Age of Empires 3 (?) DOD:S, CSS, Cant think of any others. __________________

Dec 12, 2005, 09:29 AM	#6
Duranix DriverHeaven Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 614 Rep Power: 0	Cards That support HDR Any Nvidia card That begins with: 6xxx (6800, 6600, 6200) and 7xxx Any ATI card that begins with X1xxx (x1800, x1600, x1300) __________________

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Dec 12, 2005, 03:38 PM	#10
PolygonParadox DriverHeaven Lover Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 110 Rep Power: 0	Doom3/Quake4 are Opengl and unless I am mistaken do not have either HDR or SM3 in game. Is it supported in the engine and just not being utilized yet? __________________ 3200+ XP (400) A7N8X Deluxe 2.0 1 GB OCsystem DDR 3200 LL BBA 9800

Dec 12, 2005, 04:13 AM	#3
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	Splinter Cell Chaos Theory, Serious Sam II, FEAR, and i BELIEVE doom 3/quake 4 have sm3.0 as well

Dec 12, 2005, 05:03 PM	#11
cswiger DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233 Rep Power: 0	The ATI x800 series will support HDR but not SM3.0; I've got HDR rendering available and working well in SC3:CT and HL2:Lost Coast, CSS, & friends. I gotta go back and reply Far Cry sometime soon, and see how that looks. I'd imagine this is also true of the other x00 models like the x600 as well. __________________ Do you remember Shalebridge Cradle? Beware! The Cradle doesn't* forget.... AMD Opteron 185 @ 2.6GHz/200HTT \| 2GB G.Skill DDR3200 @ 2-3-2-5/1T \| 512MB eVGA 8800GT @ 600/1800 \| SB Audigy 2ZS eX, Outlaw 1050 6.1ch amp, Paradigm speakers \| MSI K8N Diamond Plus mainboard \| black Lian-Li USB68 case + Foxconn FX600-GLN 600W PSU \| 2xWDC3200AAKS (RAID1) \| Sony GDM-F500R CRT, BENQ G2400W LCD

Dec 12, 2005, 05:45 PM	#12
MSX Burning the frozen... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,201 Rep Power: 0	Yeah, the cards he's listing are sm3.0 cards. HDR can be done with 2.0(and I'm sure 1.x by a tenatious programmer) so I'm guessing he's listing cards that can do both, when he should just say the sm3.0 capable cards to avoid confusion. The problem is SM3.0 is not that much of a leap over SM2.0. 3.0 Is more of a revision of code than adding of new features. The code is faster and easier to use, but provides little better image quality.

Dec 12, 2005, 07:18 PM	#13
pr0digal jenius Delete Me Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 14,648 Rep Power: 0	the 'faster' being the important part It tends to be sued largely in water, glass, and lighting/shadow effects, which can all be done similarly well in 2.0, but it does look different. The main issue is many developers are leaving out alternate 2.0 code, so if you can't do 3.0, it's reverting you to 1.1

Dec 14, 2005, 05:53 AM	#14
cswiger DriverHeaven Addict Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 233 Rep Power: 0	People seem to be using the term "HDR" to mean different things, and some of those capabilities can be done with older hardware (generally involving an extra pass or two, ie, the HL2-style "overbrightness", which allows really bright lights to make objects brighter by a certain ratio, and vice-versa for really dim objects. In other words, you can represent pixel values with a brightness (or luminesence) beyond 0.0 to 1.0. You can accomplish this to do "light glowing" or "motion blurring" without SM3 and/or FP16 texture support, but having those helps. Other people use HDR to strictly refer to supporting various floating point texture formats (see http://www.openexr.com/), which can represent a broader contrast range than your common 24/32-bit RGB-888 or ARGB-8888 formats and/or DXT1 compressed textures. In theory you ought to have a RAMDAC and output device which can do more than 8-bits per channel, at least 10-bits for the newer IL&M/THX movies, and/or supporting fp16. There's another pretty good document about HDR here (big PDF file): http://download.nvidia.com/developer...eagues_HDR.pdf __________________ Do you remember Shalebridge Cradle? Beware! The Cradle doesn't forget.... AMD Opteron 185 @ 2.6GHz/200HTT \| 2GB G.Skill DDR3200 @ 2-3-2-5/1T \| 512MB eVGA 8800GT @ 600/1800 \| SB Audigy 2ZS eX, Outlaw 1050 6.1ch amp, Paradigm speakers \| MSI K8N Diamond Plus mainboard \| black Lian-Li USB68 case + Foxconn FX600-GLN 600W PSU \| 2xWDC3200AAKS (RAID1) \| Sony GDM-F500R CRT, BENQ G2400W LCD

Dec 14, 2005, 06:41 AM	#15
MythicaL I like computers. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In front of a monitor Posts: 3,399 Rep Power: 89 System Specs	Noob question, but what's the advantage of SM3.0 over the previous versions? Edit: Nm, you pretty much answered it... but I can't delete the post for some reason =\| __________________ Always knew I didn't belong in this world. I wasn't made for this. But I'll never forget those who betrayed me, and those who never failed my trust.