Vikingod

Source: GameSpot
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It's been more than six months since we published our first Xbox 360 versus PlayStation 3 graphics comparison feature. Games on both systems looked great, but the Xbox 360 games had more polish. We found that the Xbox 360 edged out the PlayStation 3 with higher-resolution textures and better lighting. The result of the first comparison wasn't surprising--the Xbox 360 had been available for a year and developers were already cranking out second-generation games, while the PlayStation 3 had just arrived in retail with its first-generation games. We decided to check on a few games released in recent months to see if the PlayStation 3 has caught up to or overtaken the Xbox 360.

EcPercy

I see a lot of jaggies when I look at the PS3 pictures. Expecially the last one whey they focused on the mech.

In some of the others I noticed that there was less detail; like the shadows on the buildings in the distance and missing textures.

Who knows, maybe by in the next 6 months we may see games looking better on PS3, but that still won't change my opinion. I am not getting one.

MIG-31

After looking at those screenshots i'm pleased i selected the 360 over the ps3.For me the detail and color is much better.

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I have to disagree (in a friendly way of course ) the graphics are comparable to the 360. The hdmi connection gives a much sharper, more detailed picture compared to component or VGA in my experiance. Motorstorm is certainly on of the better looking racing games i've played on either format.

Also in regards to those screenshots don't forget how difficult it is to port from one system to the other due to differences in architecture. Oblivion on the PS3 is the only port I can think of that has been done properly. Other ports have been a near disaster. In the end the quality games will come from the exclusives. It's a shame though that these will be fewer in number than previous generations.

Edit: though in your defence the shadows is the weaker point graphically in motorstorm.

Sandok

This trend will surely continue if the Xbox 360 is the "porter" and the PS3 the "ported" Good news for me And given that the Xbox 360 has about 3 times the exclusivites the PS3 has, tis all good

BlueMak

Is it just me, or all PS3 schreenshots look like, washed out or something?

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Zardon

IQ quality article with lossy quality Jpegs format from video grabs? everything (bandwidth) considered, they need to be larger and either PNG, BMP or TGA for quality and comparison purposes. as a rough guide, sure, but its a flawed attack on the concept.

I have a PS3, and the selection of games for it is really poor. motorstorm is still the stand out title and it shoudn't be at this stage. The UK/Europe store is also appalling, nothing is out on it and you get an update maybe one every two weeks with some crap video being added.

I created a fake USA account and logged into the USA store and there is a ton happening there, with Ps1 games available for download as well.

Right now the PS3 makes an excellent DVD/bluray player with brilliant video codec quality and an excellent HDMI output with unrivalled IQ, even when compared to a high end £800 toshiba bluray player I have handy. As a games console? im sure it has a ton of potential, but until sony and their partners get their finger out of their ass and release some AAA titles it is a waste of time with gaming.

Oh yeah did I mention how crap the store is ?

bananaman

Agree with you 100% Z, I use my PS3 to fold and watch DVDs. Onlt game I have is motorstorm... and I prefer Forza :P

roll on Little Big PLanet and MGS

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Brutality

Where the hell do you take that money to buy all those gadget and bikes and PC . I suspect something .

Zardon

Suspect what? im a bank robber? Dude just because you see me reviewing loads of hardware and commenting on things, doesn't mean i buy everything. its part of the job testing and playing with new technology. It sucks but someone has to do it (especially when it is returned!).

(although I do own the bikes)

Zardon

Did you hear MGS is meant to be released on the 360 as well as GTA4? If these were released only on PS3 they would be console sellers, but if they are released on both? I don't think many people will pay £430 for a game if they need to buy the console as well.

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MGS is still a PS3 exclusive officially nothing but rumours at the moment. GTA4 is multi platform with the 360 getting exclusive download content.

Zardon

well my source was an industry insider, not a website. granted its still not 100% confirmed however the rumours aren't totally unfounded yet. Microsoft have been spending large wads of cash to ensure Sony don't get exclusives with those huge games. I mean everybody always thought "Playstation" when the words "Grand Theft Auto" were uttered right? I still think this is a huge loss for Sony, the fact that Xbox will be getting it at the same time.

The Playstation needs a killer title to sell more units and become more competitive, we are still waiting on it.

thecrmeeegg

im a newcomer and omg this website is like an xbox 360 fanboy convention!
microsofts branding and monopolising has really sucked you lot in

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I seem to remember that Hideo specifically demanded a Bd-50 disc to use for MGS4 so he could fit mostly sound detail onto the disc. However you are right in stating that if the publisher Konami determines that in the intrests of sales it should go multiplatform then it might. Though i expect in any case mgs4 will at the very least be a timed exclusive.

I'm in favour of consoles having their exclusives. Experiance has shown that these tend to be the very best titles for the platform, taking advantage of their respective capablities. However I do not want to see a continual trend of one major giant buying up majot studios and leaving their compeititor in limbo as it just kills any competition of which buisness relys on.

thecrmeeegg

hit the nail on the head...microsoft knows the only way it has a chance of keeping ahead of the PS3 is to buy out any studios that the opposition cant afford. Ruins the games industry as microsoft have the fingers in every game pie

Zardon

We need the PS3 to be a success to give healthy competition, but the only other console out there is the Wii, and its hardly a next gen experience.

I hope Sony sort it out and get things moving.

Zardon

As a newcomer ill let that slide until you get acquainted with our members, rather than jumping to silly conclusions.

The facts are Sony has nothing out yet to pose a challenge to the 360 which has been out a year earlier and already has a huge catalogue apart from bluray movie playback. If companies aren't questioned, nothing will improve. And your analogy of Microsoft being the "big bad" and sony being different is rather niave, don't you think? Both are here to make money..... question is, how will sony make money and appease customers if very little is available to buy !

obviously I could equally accuse you of being a Sony fanboy and quite happy to deal with a poor store and lack of games, but that would hardly be fair would it?

Think before you post.

Brutality

Yea, I figure sending those things back is a pain but atleast you get to play with those things for free and usually a lot before other people can. I would like to have your job someday .

thecrmeeegg

True you could accuse me of being a sony fanboy, and in some respects you're right as i think that microsoft are not good for gaming. If they sorted out their own developers, didnt charge for live and built a reliable console then i'd back them. But as things stand, they're the newboys in the gaming market, and their using their money to try and force everyone out. Sure its business, but its in the best interests of the gaming community that things stay fairly distributed.
I know the PS3 has its work cut out (im not sure what you mean about the store being worse than live....the only thing live has is arcade game downloads at an extortionate price) and it needs more game, but lets be honest, the 360 has hardly got an array of killer titles out - gears of war, R6 and forza 2. its hardly an amazing lineup in this day and age.
I only posted that as ive read a fair few posts on this forum and the ps3 gets an unfair slating whereas the 360 is seen to be gaming perfection, which we all know isnt true.
I did think before i posted and i stand by it.......just because you've been here longer/own the site or whatever doesnt meant that your opinion is the most valid

Vikingod

Maybe you could give an example of this (other than Bungie x many years ago)?

Sony has just as much capital to through around as MS, so its not an issue of what they other can/can't afford, it has to do with strategy. As of yet, Sony's is pretty lame, to say the very least.

MS doesn't have to do anything at this point to stay ahead of Sony because their marketing strategy, installed base, game support, online features, price, breakeven point, and games on the horizon are leagues above where Sony is. If MS keeps it coming, and Sony continues to blunder up a $600 console with nothing unique to add to the market but the promise of a "super fast cell processor", it will have shot itself in the foot.

If fans should be mad at anyone, it should be Sony, for squandering a huge lead in product image and not having anything unique to offer those that spend their life savings on the PS3. Its certainly not microsofts fault that Sony dropped the ball, its to their credit that they picked it up and ran with it.

And before you call me a fanboi, it should be noted that I don't own either (just a gamecube). I just have the ability to call a spade a spade.

Sandok

You obviously hate M$ a little bit too much because Sony does buy out companies and such too, it's the name of the game. Everyone does it and they each use their influence/cash/console to grab as many developpers as possible and make as many exclusive games as possible.

Reliability, I agree its far from great but hey, my PS2 is dead so Sony ain't ten times better in my book (though my Genesis and N64 are still dandy). Charging for live, yes it's more than what Sony asks but the whole product is definately worth the 4.2$ a month.

As for killer games, the 360 has tons... In fact, already more than 3 times the amount of exclusive games out than the PS3 and as for the "must haves" already out, there are more than enough to warrant a purchase for many. Test Drive Unlimited, Gears or War, Forza 2, DiRT, Lost Planet, Pro Evolution Socer, Viva Pinata, etc etc. The thing is, while this is far from "killer", it's much much much better than what Sony offers atm

I've owned consoles from all major builders and I love my Xbox very much, and honestly, think it's the best of the bunch (though N64 very very close). Everyone is allowed an opinion and obviously, given that more people own a 360 (cheapness helps) of course, more people will prefer it. If you don't, well too bad

Zardon

The rest of your post makes sense, however I must address this. As I explained in the prior post, if you are in the USA you get a ton of content, even PS1 games to play under emulation. There are also 3x the demos. The Europe Sony store has had 2 updates in 3 weeks one of which was a video - it is shoddy and insulting to the european gamers that we are treated so badly ! I think live is really excellent and there is a constant update of content. at a guess I would say 20 times the content at least.

Two games ? come on man, lets not be silly. there are at least 10-15 killer games on the 360. what about guitar hero 2, Lost Planet, forza 2, PGR3, Vegas, GRAW 2, Call Of Duty 3, NBA 2k7, TDU, DIRT (jury is still out on that), Battlestations Midway, Burnout Revenge, Fight Night Round 3, Dead or Alive 4, Condemned, Saints Row, TIger Woods PGA Tour 07, F.E.A.R., Just Cause, NHL 2k7, Oblivion? Whether you personally like them or not hardly counts !, they are all 80-90+ rated games on most sites.

to be totally honest, your first post in here was accusing everyone of being a 360 fanboy when in fact I think while you were pointing the finger, four were pointing right back at you.

That said, most of us do NOT want the Sony PS3 to be in as poor a state as it is, I, like quite a few people have bought a PS3 recently and apart from playing DVD or bluray it has been a very poor showing. Motorstorm i have enjoyed, as well as the remake of Fight Night Round 3 and a few others, but most are remakes of old 360 games.

It has so much potential, but until someone gets an exclusive killer title out, its wasted.

NAZ2222

I dont undersantd that much about consoles, the last one I had was a mega drive. But I still dont understand why Sony hasant tweaked the gama or color of the video connection, is it that difficult to do?? I think M$ did just that a while ago with the Xbox 360, but Sony cant??
And In oblivion I dont think that the PS3 quality is superior, much by the contrary!!(at least on the images that gamespot posted) anyone else agrees??

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Gamespot used component for both the 360 and the ps3 as stated in the introduction. I guess they felt in order to show the graphical differences between two they decided to use component. Of course hdmi in my experiance produces a clearer image quality (not sure why they didn't use the elite) the test does has its flaws as zardon pointed out in an earlier post.

I wouldn't use ports as a way to define which console is superior graphically. GRAW 2 and rainbow six I have heard are almost identical graphically with GRAW 2 getting some extra maps (32 in total http://www.ubi.com/UK/Games/Info.aspx?pId=5587)

Also the offical playstation forums for the EU seem to suggest some PS1 content is out in next weeks update here's to the improvement of the EU store

Zardon

you are totally correct HDMI is a vastly superior output medium, and on the 52inch 1080p I have, the clarity is quite honestly second to none, it is a pure digital feed to a pure digital tv. the 360 output is quite good however for microsoft to release it with only analogue output at the time was a massive error.

I don't rate the gamespot article at all. the resolution isn't high enough and you can't ascertain differences accurately as you could very well be looking at jpeg interpolation errors. You never use a lossy picture format for image comparisons.

It is also an article simply to get them hits and to get people talking as the 2000+ comments are clearly seen within the article, but as a true indication of the PS3 v 360 graphical prowess its pretty much useless.

No one should count out the PS3 for graphics just yet, even though on paper it isn't as proficient as the 360's - sony have been known in the past to get incredible results from hardware, as anyone who has played God Of War 2 has seen on the PS2 (amazing game!).

I just want to kick Sony's ass right now to get titles released, the list is appalling, and with games like World Superbikes just released coming out on the PS2 (WTF!) it isnt looking good. That was a perfect time to get people talking with next gen racing graphics and the power of the new console, but clearly companies are having severe issues coding for the PS3.

So much potential for AI with the cell processor too........

thecrmeeegg

ok fair enough, but two things.
1) I'm not in the USA, nor are a lot of PS3 owners, so that points not valid for me. The european live store is no better than the playstation store - both contain a load of tat
2)A lot of those games are out on PS3 as well as 360, in fact most of them. How come on the 360 they're classed as being killer titles but on the ps3 not so? admittedly some are ported, but the 360 has a years head start.

As for the graphics issue, there isnt going to be much between the consoles, they're so similar. The comaprisons favour the 360 but thats through component not through HDMI. Through HDMI the PS3 image quality is vastly improved/superior, and as far as im concerned HD gaming should be through HDMI, else whats the point?

I know that perhaps my first post was a bit of a generalisation, but how about some support for the PS3 for petes sakes? its not going to get better if people give up on it and start worshipping at bill gates feet

NAZ2222

That may be the real reason behind the PS3 lack of games, coding for cell is incredible hard, on one article the CEO of Valve said they had to change completly the way they coded, because of cell, and that few people really knew how to code fast and properly for it! That cant be good when Sony wants abudancy of games on the field!

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NAZ2222

But when both are in HDMI, the image is equal?? or does the XBOX360 still "wins"??
really asking

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thecrmeeegg

No, what i meant is that the xbox 360 cannot output HDMI and so it cant get as crisp quality. You cant have a fair comparison between the 2 as the 360 is lacking the output.